Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[charliemurphy]

I am hoping that if Evander Kane is legitimately available they make a serious run at him. LW. Power forward. Goal scorer. Checks all of the boxes.

What would that take?
Cant' deal anyone other than Hagelin and J. Moore. Hey, what about starting with Hagelin and J. Moore,?
Seriously, I think Moulson will interest Sather after buying out Richards and seeing guys like Boyle and Stralman walk but it should make for an interesting off-season.

 

[LORDE]

Possibly, or probably true. I don't know what he would cost. I would start with Hagelin + Moore and see where that gets us but most likely your statement is accurate.

Are we able to trade 1st rd picks we've already dealt?

 

[charliemurphy]

Possibly, or probably true. I don't know what he would cost. I would start with Hagelin + Moore and see where that gets us but most likely your statement is accurate.

I think its up in the air as far as Kane but if you think in the wider scheme of things, I think the same people that complained about the trades with Columbus should look at how those trades in retrospect make the Rangers look good now in regards to home grown players.
How would Columbus have played without guys like Tyutin, Anisimov and Dubinsky? Kind of wonder how those 3 players (and their recent playoff stats alone) have any impact on what other GMs think about when trading with the Rangers. What would they think when Sather is on the line and mentions a player like Hagelin?
I would think players like Hagelin and J. Moore would definitely interest a GM.
Then again I think Sather will be curious about signing a winger like Moulson after buying out Richards.

 

[CommaSynapse]

What if we could trade for a guy like Berglund? Could be a 2/3, a bit like Brassard. Pair him with a creative playmaker like Zuccs, and it could be nice.

I wonder if we could put a package together for Berglund and Shattenkirk.

Berglund and Shattenkirk for Miller, Klein, Hagelin?

Would anyone do that? Giving up Miller would hurt, but it might be a calculated risk with Shattenkirk coming back as Stralman might be gone. Berglund would give us a 2/3 C to replace Richards.

Nash - Stepan - MSL
Kreider - Berglund - Zuccs
Pouliot -Brassard - Fast/UFA
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett

McD - G
Staal - Shattenkirk
Moore - McIlrath/Allen/UFA

Our top 4 would be deadly, and it would add the offensive d-man we've been looking for. Between Shattenkirk and McD alone, we could see 90+ points from the blueline and have 2 solid pairs. Even if the rest combined for 30 points, that'd be 120 points from the blueline.


Berglund would add a bit of center depth. He is only 25 and is pretty reliable defensively.

Question is would the Blues do it. I'm still not entirely sure I'd want to trade Miller, though.

 

[Raspewtin]

What if we could trade for a guy like Berglund? Could be a 2/3, a bit like Brassard. Pair him with a creative playmaker like Zuccs, and it could be nice.

I wonder if we could put a package together for Berglund and Shattenkirk.

Berglund and Shattenkirk for Miller, Klein, Hagelin?

Would anyone do that? Giving up Miller would hurt, but it might be a calculated risk with Shattenkirk coming back as Stralman might be gone. Berglund would give us a 2/3 C to replace Richards.

Nash - Stepan - MSL
Kreider - Berglund - Zuccs
Pouliot -Brassard - Fast/UFA
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett

McD - G
Staal - Shattenkirk
Moore - McIlrath/Allen/UFA

Our top 4 would be deadly, and it would add the offensive d-man we've been looking for. Between Shattenkirk and McD alone, we could see 90+ points from the blueline and have 2 solid pairs. Even if the rest combined for 30 points, that'd be 120 points from the blueline.


Berglund would add a bit of center depth. He is only 25 and is pretty reliable defensively.

Question is would the Blues do it. I'm still not entirely sure I'd want to trade Miller, though.

Berglund is more of the same issues at center. Sucks on faceoffs. ****** skating. Underachiever offensively. Blues wouldn't give him and Shattenkirk up for less than an established top 6 center.

 

[Gardner McKay]

What would that take?
Cant' deal anyone other than Hagelin and J. Moore. Hey, what about starting with Hagelin and J. Moore,?
Seriously, I think Moulson will interest Sather after buying out Richards and seeing guys like Boyle and Stralman walk but it should make for an interesting off-season.

No thanks on E. Kane. Perennial under achiever & enigma. We already have Rick Nash. We don't need another one. Another one of those "he's still young and hasn't hit his full potential yet". The problem is he may never hit that potential.

I was very, very un impressed during his first two years in Atlanta. Hasn't been much better the last 3 in Winnipeg.

 

[Raspewtin]

No thanks on E. Kane. Perennial under achiever & enigma. We already have Rick Nash. We don't need another one. Another one of those "he's still young and hasn't hit his full potential yet". The problem is he may never hit that potential.

I was very, very un impressed during his first two years in Atlanta. Hasn't been much better the last 3 in Winnipeg.

I wouldn't exactly call Kane an enigma. He hustles every shift and gives a lot for the team. He's got his issues, though. But he gives a consistent effort.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I wouldn't exactly call Kane an enigma. He hustles every shift and gives a lot for the team. He's got his issues, though. But he gives a consistent effort.

I dunno. Ive seen him disappear for long stretches, a la Rick Nash. Maybe it was coincidence. Who knows. But you are correct, he does have issues. For what Winnipeg would want in exchange for him, I don't want a player with issues.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I dunno. Ive seen him disappear for long stretches, a la Rick Nash. Maybe it was coincidence. Who knows. But you are correct, he does have issues. For what Winnipeg would want in exchange for him, I don't want a player with issues.

Players without issues generally aren't made available.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

No thanks on E. Kane. Perennial under achiever & enigma. We already have Rick Nash. We don't need another one. Another one of those "he's still young and hasn't hit his full potential yet". The problem is he may never hit that potential.

I was very, very un impressed during his first two years in Atlanta. Hasn't been much better the last 3 in Winnipeg.

Yet he'd still be this team's best LW by a country mile.

Im not sure I'd call a 22 year old a "perennial underachiever"

 

[Ola]

Gretzky wants to be President of Hockey Operations with the Caps. He would hire the GM who will make the personnel decisions. Ovechkin is the typical Rangers fan shiny new toy syndrome just like Nash. Lets go get him and then its this player is a loser. Build a hockey team where each player has a role. All of the pieces fit. Accumulating star players just because they are star players and we will figure out where all of the pieces fit later doesn't work.

JT Miller is a center. Right wing is his second best position. He played RW on Sunday. Miller is not defensively aware as he needs to be but who really cares if the Rangers have the puck. He needs to improve his play without the puck. He has some maturing to do off the ice. The Rangers are going to trade him for another problem child? AV is too worried about what Miller can't do. Sir Alex Ferguson spent a fortune to buy Chris Smalling and Phil Jones. He played both players out of position. Then people wonder why both of those players never developed for Manchester United. I wouldn't be surprised if Carcillo played tonight and they struggle to get anything out of that line offensively.

I've been waiting for an opertunity to write this (and I guess this is as good as any): Nash reminds me so much of Fernando Torres.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Yet he'd still be this team's best LW by a country mile.

Im not sure I'd call a 22 year old a "perennial underachiever"

For his talent level he is definitely an underachiever. He could be a PPG player right now. Maybe perennial was a bit much however, he has under achieved since coming into the league. As far as him being the best LW. Ovechkin would be this teams best winger. Doesn't mean we should go trade for him.

 

[Mikos87]

Team needs a legitimate top 6 center and an offensive RHD that can play a top 4 role and chip in 35-40 points. Every other position is a position of strength except for a 3rd string goalie that can play in the NHL.

The Rangers can't do a 3 for 1 deal without crippling organizational depth, but they can sign a UFA for one role, and make an astute trade for another.

Problem is that there aren't enough ready made top 6 centers available, or for cheap.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Players without issues generally aren't made available.

Subban has attitude issues. Id take him in a minute. He will be a dominating defenseman for years. E. Kane? I just don't see him ever hitting that level. (the fact that they are both African American is pure coincidence and NOT intentional).

 

[TheTakedown]

Team needs a legitimate top 6 center and an offensive RHD that can play a top 4 role and chip in 35-40 points. Every other position is a position of strength except for a 3rd string goalie that can play in the NHL.

The Rangers can't do a 3 for 1 deal without crippling organizational depth, but they can sign a UFA for one role, and make an astute trade for another.

Problem is that there aren't enough ready made top 6 centers available, or for cheap.

I think Stepan can take the #1C role at this point.. we're not going to be able to afford a 80-100 point centerman for less than 3-5 decent players... especially since we're out of draft picks for this year and next (unless Ron Franics drinks himself drunk and pulls a Bob Gainey with Sather... who knows, ANYTHING can happen. ).

Brassard plays fine in the 3C role... so I think we should be going after a #2 Centerman... that's the only thing we're going to:
a) be able to afford
b) fit under the cap if we retain our current core
c) would be able to slot in without disrupting most of the team

if you ask me, I don't think it's worth ripping the team apart for Eric Staal, and who's to say that would even be enough?

Someone like Berglund, Roy, Grabovski, or worst case, Legwand, would be the ideal "buy" for this team in free agency... Spending $8M a year on Stastny for the next 7 years... i just can't stomach that.

We could then trade some of the out of place wingers for upgrades on opposite wings, ala Hagelin... Unless we are able to additionally on top of the #2C FA purchase, purchase additional assets from FA, such a Matt Moulson (Who I would estimate would get $5M a year).

This all changes if Vanek walks away from the habs, in which case Sather then might have a new MO... which I do fear

I also think Diaz gets resigned when Stralman walks, since he'll cost as much as Stralman does at the moment, on top of being able to run offense from the RHD position. it's not a strong suit at this point, but I think it's worth a shot... If John moore is able to develop into even an average PMD, then we'd have 3 sets of Mobile+Shutdown defenseman.

 

[Minkus]

Over on the main board some overreacting Sharks fans are saying they might be open to trading Joe Pavelski. Not sure how realistic that is but, if so, that's a (not young, but not too old) #1/#2 center. No idea what that would take. A willing Nash? I've heard he's personal friends with Thornton.

 

[TheTakedown]

Over on the main board some overreacting Sharks fans are saying they might be open to trading Joe Pavelski. Not sure how realistic that is but, if so, that's a (not young, but not too old) #1/#2 center. No idea what that would take. A willing Nash? I've heard he's personal friends with Thornton.

Nash for Pavelski... Man, that's a steal right there... a 30 goal winger for a 30 goal center... both the same age.. I mean, I could only see it needing an additional conditional 7th pick and maybe the rights to Stralman in? plus Nash's NTC (which kicks in beginning 2015 season) would be dropped (the NMC would be honored most likely)... Another + for SJS

If yo could do that, that is a VERY nice drop in cap space (an additional $3M)... which would allow us to go back to free agency for that RW hole that would need plugging... maybe someone that works well with step

 

[bernmeister]

Conditional 3rd round pick for Burmi at best. Better than nothing for WPG. No need to give up an NHL defenseman for a kid who might not play.

In nearly 200 NHL games, he's scored 23 goals, and has a PPG of .3.

Not exactly an offensive catalyst, but he does dangle like crazy in EA Sports.

I get your point.
At the same time, Winni doesn't have to move him.

Way I see it, the unspoken portion is they let us talk to him first, and we confirm he'd return.

Then Moore becomes an acceptable middle vs. Hagelin or higher from the rest of the league.

 

[Minkus]

Nash for Pavelski...

Man, that's a steal right there... a 30 goal winger for a 30 goal center...

maybe toss a prospect and rights to Stralman in?

Well yeah, I meant as a basis for a deal. Honestly, I doubt the Sharks brass would consider trading him after his performance this year. But if so, I'd love to have him on the rangers - hard worker, good leader.

With Thornton and Couture ahead of him in center depth they probably could stand to move him for a winger or defenseman.

 

[bernmeister]

Gretzky wants to be President of Hockey Operations with the Caps. He would hire the GM who will make the personnel decisions. Ovechkin is the typical Rangers fan shiny new toy syndrome just like Nash. Lets go get him and then its this player is a loser. Build a hockey team where each player has a role. All of the pieces fit. Accumulating star players just because they are star players and we will figure out where all of the pieces fit later doesn't work.

JT Miller is a center. Right wing is his second best position. He played RW on Sunday. Miller is not defensively aware as he needs to be but who really cares if the Rangers have the puck. He needs to improve his play without the puck. He has some maturing to do off the ice. The Rangers are going to trade him for another problem child? AV is too worried about what Miller can't do. Sir Alex Ferguson spent a fortune to buy Chris Smalling and Phil Jones. He played both players out of position. Then people wonder why both of those players never developed for Manchester United. I wouldn't be surprised if Carcillo played tonight and they struggle to get anything out of that line offensively.

As usual, another spot on post, esp. as to Miller.
Hang in there, RB.

Kreider + Miller w/the correct RW, I tells ya!
That's the ticket!

 

[TheTakedown]

As usual, another spot on post, esp. as to Miller.
Hang in there, RB.

Kreider + Miller w/the correct RW, I tells ya!
That's the ticket!

oooofff yeah...

I like that...

and if that works, you trade Brass for a bumpin PMD

 

[I Eat Crow]

This team really should buy out Richards and deal with the growing pains with Miller or Lindberg as a middle six center next year. Thomas Vanek would be a godsend for this team. Finisher and a right handed shot.

But these baboons in the front office will probably keep Richards around and do nothing to improve this team, citing that acquiring St. Louis was our big move this year.

Make playoffs. First or second round exit. Rinse and repeat.

Lundqvist is 32 years old. The clock is ticking.

 

[BroadwayBlues]

Nash for the Oilers ice.

 

[AHB*]

Nash for Pavelski... Man, that's a steal right there... a 30 goal winger for a 30 goal center... both the same age.. I mean, I could only see it needing an additional conditional 7th pick and maybe the rights to Stralman in? plus Nash's NTC (which kicks in beginning 2015 season) would be dropped (the NMC would be honored most likely)... Another + for SJS

If yo could do that, that is a VERY nice drop in cap space (an additional $3M)... which would allow us to go back to free agency for that RW hole that would need plugging... maybe someone that works well with step

We have Zucc & MSL on the right wing. Nash is playing his off-wing now.

We need a center and a good left wing to complement Kreider & Stepan.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Any chance could draft a nhl ready guy? I kno were gunna be late in the round but I feel like a lot of teams draft players who can make small impacts in there 1st yr not like all 82. Any good big body guys like simmonds or players that can have that slot area presence without being completely useless on the offensive end... Ya looking at you Brian Boyle