Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[Minkus]

Doubt it but I brought his name up here a few months ago after seeing him in a couple AHL games live. There are some really good young players that I would dangle John Moore for simply because Conor Allen can seamlessly replace those minutes.

Another is Weal, out of LA's system. LA has a couple of players like him that are ahead of him, Toffoli, Vey, and Pearson. The Kings have pylons for LHD at the NHL level, and badly need defensemen.

The Kings gave up a prime power forward prospect for an NHL ready defender in Brayden McNabb, and McNabb's upside is not all that high, but he can contribute in the NHL next season.

J.Moore is a proven NHL player, and one that fits their need. Weal is a RH playmaking center with 2nd line upside.

DSP is going to be a very good player, a prototypical third liner that can chip in 30-35 points, and probably 15-20 goals. I would trade J.Moore in a hearbeat for DSP, but don't know if Anaheim has a need, or will bite since they have quite a few good LHD in Fowler, Beauchemen, Sbisa, Lindholm and Fistric. Beauchemen plays the right side, but Anaheim is pretty set on defense on the left. They need a veteran RHD that can skate.

Yeah, I remember a couple of Ducks fans offering DSP+ for a rental Girardi earlier this year before we signed him. Which I'm glad didn't happen. But I still want DSP anyway. I was just curious about him because it seems like he's had trouble cracking the Ducks permanent line-up with all their depth. Seems like exactly what a lot of Rangers fans are looking for: although not overly big, he's strong and physical with an offensive upside.

I'm not very familiar with Weal, but I like that he plays center. And yeah, with Connor Allen seemingly ready I think John Moore might be our only viable trade chip this off-season. Hagelin, maybe.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

McIlrath + Hagelin + Miller + 1st for Alex Ovechkin

Sign me up.

So a wild card defenseman that played like a game on our team and may well not amount to anything and if he does won't likely be a star, a 2nd/3rd line tweener, a guy that might be a decent 2nd line center one day, and a likely late 1st rounder for the Richard winner the last two years and a first ballot HOFer who isn't even yet. Does anyone ever think before posting trade proposals?

 

[TheTakedown]

Yeah, I remember a couple of Ducks fans offering DSP+ for a rental Girardi earlier this year before we signed him. Which I'm glad didn't happen. But I still want DSP anyway. I was just curious about him because it seems like he's had trouble cracking the Ducks permanent line-up with all their depth. Seems like exactly what a lot of Rangers fans are looking for: although not overly big, he's strong and physical with an offensive upside.

I'm not very familiar with Weal, but I like that he plays center. And yeah, with Connor Allen seemingly ready I think John Moore might be our only viable trade chip this off-season. Hagelin, maybe.

Have to agree with this. John Moore and Carl Hagelin are the only two that aren't fitting this team the way they should (weird considering how much AV loves Moore)... Beyond that, the rest should be here to stay.

I think the following happens:

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FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Chris Kreider ($1.650m) / David Legwand ($4.500m) / Carl Hagelin ($2.250m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.700m) / Derick Brassard ($3.800m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.900m)
Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.500m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,179,167

This includes a Richards buyout, replacing Richards with Legwand at $5M/year, and then makes John Moore tradeable for an upgrade on the RW since Hagelin is on his off wing in this scenario...

BUT, I am also pretty confident that Moore stays, which keeps allen down on the Wolfpack, which only leaves hagelin as the only trade chip for another low end 2nd liner RW player

 

[NewLife]

He would be tht big bomb on the point of our power play... But looking at his +/- u have to remember tht pp goals don't effect it so he's actually a lot closer to even than wat it says

Maybe McD, Staal or G can help him out 5 on 5 where he might be a defensive liability? Or maybe he will become an excellent PKer in NY justify up his somewhat questionable play in his own zone in eve strength by himself?

I can't say I'm in the Nash basing fold but if a trade can be made with the two as center pieces I'm all for it.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Total spitball trade.

Brassard and Hagelin for Shattenkirk and Cracknell.

Blues need speed and skill at center, and they need speed period. They already have Piets and Bouwmeester locked up long term, so it makes Shattenkirk relatively expendable. Now, I don't think as highly of Shattenkirk as some, so this may seem like an underpayment to some, but I really don't think it's much of one. Could perhaps get a better package, but I think this is somewhat realistic at least.

 

[Raspewtin]

Total spitball trade.

Brassard and Hagelin for Shattenkirk and Cracknell.

Blues need speed and skill at center, and they need speed period. They already have Piets and Bouwmeester locked up long term, so it makes Shattenkirk relatively expendable. Now, I don't think as highly of Shattenkirk as some, so this may seem like an underpayment to some, but I really don't think it's much of one. Could perhaps get a better package, but I think this is somewhat realistic at least.

Yeah, the huge love affair HF has for Shattenkirk confuses me. He plays very sheltered minutes, doesn't PK, and really isn't good defensively. I'd make this trade, put him with Staal.

 

[Ola]

AO would be luck to score 30 goals in NY.

I think many players would see their stats go down in NY (unless they could fix the fundamental flaws that make us more of a low scoring team, or at least a team without more of a goto source for offense which is a must for a high scoring player to be a part of), but AO is the type of player that would have an entire unit built around him and every minute he is on the ice everything would be focused on getting him into position to fire away. With that set-up, pucks are bound to go in. Its the same with Stamkos in Tampa.

It will make these players score a lot of goals, but not necessary win hockey games.

 

[haohmaru]

Really hope they keep that 4th line together - best we've had in years. Sign Moore, Boyle, and sign Pouliout too. Shouldn't be that much $. I'd like to see all them back.

 

[haohmaru]

McIlrath + Hagelin + Miller + 1st for Alex Ovechkin

Sign me up.

Sign you up for what, the insane asylum?

Terrible proposal. We don't have 4 McD's on the ice to make up for AO's lack of D.

 

[charliemurphy]

Have to agree with this. John Moore and Carl Hagelin are the only two that aren't fitting this team the way they should (weird considering how much AV loves Moore)... Beyond that, the rest should be here to stay.

I think the following happens:



This includes a Richards buyout, replacing Richards with Legwand at $5M/year, and then makes John Moore tradeable for an upgrade on the RW since Hagelin is on his off wing in this scenario...

BUT, I am also pretty confident that Moore stays, which keeps allen down on the Wolfpack, which only leaves hagelin as the only trade chip for another low end 2nd liner RW player

Apart from Richards being bought out and perhaps a trade, does anyone think Sather won't dip into free agency?
I would think a winger like Moulson would entice Sather. Can't say I wouldn't be against a top 2 line left wing combo of Kreider and Moulson because I think a winger like Moulson would change the entire dynamic of the roster.
What if Sather buys out Richards and gets Moulson. I think Hagelin and J. Moore are likely used in a trade but for what? A top center prospect? Move up in the draft? Big off-season to say the least.

 

[eco's bones]

There was a time--about 5 years ago--when I thought Ovechkin was the best player in the league. Not anymore. The Capitals seemed to be a team going places then. The argument is that anything that reins in OV is bad. The NHL shouldn't suspend him for high hits and his coaches should let him do whatever he wants. The Capitals have gone through a few coaches in the last few years and all of them without exception seemed to have a problem with him. He's too much of a one trick pony IMO and other teams know it. They also know that if you stop him your chances of beating the Caps are excellent because two thirds of the Caps offense revolves around him--which is a problem if you bring him in because another huge cap hit means your scoring is not going to be nearly as spread out--your third line likely to look like a 4th line and your 4th line made up of fringe players. Pittsburgh has some of the same problems from time to time.

Anyway OV is no longer the best player in the league IMO--I'd take several others ahead of him. He's been cherry picked with the videos on his lack of enthusiastic backchecking but there's little doubt to my mind that he's a major headache for his coaches. Washington has become the Ovechkin team moreso than the Capitals. Personally I wouldn't want him on my team.

 

[Mikos87]

Yeah, I remember a couple of Ducks fans offering DSP+ for a rental Girardi earlier this year before we signed him. Which I'm glad didn't happen. But I still want DSP anyway. I was just curious about him because it seems like he's had trouble cracking the Ducks permanent line-up with all their depth. Seems like exactly what a lot of Rangers fans are looking for: although not overly big, he's strong and physical with an offensive upside.

I'm not very familiar with Weal, but I like that he plays center. And yeah, with Connor Allen seemingly ready I think John Moore might be our only viable trade chip this off-season. Hagelin, maybe.

Hagelin's name's come up among posters here, but I don't move that kind of speed out of the line up. 17 goals while missing a chunk of the season, not playing on the power play (you know cause he stinks), and a 3rd line role is nothing to sneeze at.

I look at J.Moore and Dorsett as trade chips. While I like a guy that brings an element of toughness, $1.6M for a 4th liner that doesn't kill penalties is a bit steep. The grit that he brings isn't exactly found to be intimidating to other teams, but he is a good hockey player.

Fast can take Dorsett's ice time, and Conor Allen can eat J.Moore's.

The Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc unit has chemistry, and with Richards impending buyout around the corner, the Ranger badly need a legitimate top 6 center. As much as I would like to see another package for a star caliber player, the Rangers can't make a move like that without gutting the organizational depth.

 

[NYR Viper]

Hagelin's name's come up among posters here, but I don't move that kind of speed out of the line up. 17 goals while missing a chunk of the season, not playing on the power play (you know cause he stinks), and a 3rd line role is nothing to sneeze at.

I look at J.Moore and Dorsett as trade chips. While I like a guy that brings an element of toughness, $1.6M for a 4th liner that doesn't kill penalties is a bit steep. The grit that he brings isn't exactly found to be intimidating to other teams, but he is a good hockey player.

Fast can take Dorsett's ice time, and Conor Allen can eat J.Moore's.

The Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc unit has chemistry, and with Richards impending buyout around the corner, the Ranger badly need a legitimate top 6 center. As much as I would like to see another package for a star caliber player, the Rangers can't make a move like that without gutting the organizational depth.

This team loves to move their solid depth pieces for the next shiny toy. Dorsett fills a role on this team. He is solid defensively and fits in well with Boyle and Moore on the 4th line. He is one of the only guys who can and will drop the gloves with anyone on top of that.

Move Dorsett and this team will be looking for a similar player within 2 months guaranteed.

 

[zuckera1]

So a wild card defenseman that played like a game on our team and may well not amount to anything and if he does won't likely be a star, a 2nd/3rd line tweener, a guy that might be a decent 2nd line center one day, and a likely late 1st rounder for the Richard winner the last two years and a first ballot HOFer who isn't even yet. Does anyone ever think before posting trade proposals?

That's the type of package he would bring with a 9.5 million dollar cap hit for 7ish more years. Look what Kovalchuk brought. I think that trade is fair in terms of value because AO isn't exactly young.

Do you ever think before insulting people on the internet? Obviously not.

 

[NYRCSKA*]

Have to agree with this. John Moore and Carl Hagelin are the only two that aren't fitting this team the way they should (weird considering how much AV loves Moore)... Beyond that, the rest should be here to stay.

I think the following happens:



This includes a Richards buyout, replacing Richards with Legwand at $5M/year, and then makes John Moore tradeable for an upgrade on the RW since Hagelin is on his off wing in this scenario...

BUT, I am also pretty confident that Moore stays, which keeps allen down on the Wolfpack, which only leaves hagelin as the only trade chip for another low end 2nd liner RW player

Legwand at 5million per? I'd rather have Richards at his current contract.

 

[zuckera1]

Sign you up for what, the insane asylum?

Terrible proposal. We don't have 4 McD's on the ice to make up for AO's lack of D.

With our defensive depth and goaltending, we have more than enough defense on the ice to make up for his lack of defense. What's our problem in the playoffs? Goals, AO can fix that.

Not to mention we have Allen and Skjei in the system on D.

 

[NYRCSKA*]

With our defensive depth and goaltending, we have more than enough defense on the ice to make up for his lack of defense. What's our problem in the playoffs? Goals, AO can fix that.

Not to mention we have Allen and Skjei in the system on D.

AO on this team would be a + player. Our power play would be unstoppable.

 

[NYR Viper]

I am more open to move Moore IF Stralman re-signs. If not, I don't see any sort of reason to do so.

Boyle and Moore need to be back. This is the best a 4th line has played in all of my years of watching the Rangers. They know their roles, they play a hard-nosed, shut-down style.

Pouliot should be brought back and hopefully won't be too expensive.

 

[TheTakedown]

Legwand at 5million per? I'd rather have Richards at his current contract.

unfortunately that is what I can see legwand getting... I would rather have Richards at his current contract, but not for 6 more years...

I'd really love to find a way to restructure that contract. There must be some sort of loop hole to allow Richards to stay by terminating his current contract. Not sure why the PA didn't allow this after the lockout to begin with

 

[TheTakedown]

I am more open to move Moore IF Stralman re-signs. If not, I don't see any sort of reason to do so.

Boyle and Moore need to be back. This is the best a 4th line has played in all of my years of watching the Rangers. They know their roles, they play a hard-nosed, shut-down style.

Pouliot should be brought back and hopefully won't be too expensive.

if you had to keep those then you could sign Carcillo to a smaller offer (half of Dorsetts), then ship Dorsett out, and end up with a 4th line of:

Boyle-Moore-Carcillo

That's not too terrible if you ask me. Boyle and Carbomb definitely have some chemistry together as well

Definitely agree that if Stralman is NOT resigned, then we should be looking at resigning Diaz (since he'll be half of stralman's upcoming contract) and look into moving Moore and/or hagelin for another decent winger

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

In the midst of a playoff run, this thread continues to be near the top and now we're talking about trading for Ovechkin.

...oy

 

[NYR Viper]

if you had to keep those then you could sign Carcillo to a smaller offer (half of Dorsetts), then ship Dorsett out, and end up with a 4th line of:

Boyle-Moore-Carcillo

That's not too terrible if you ask me. Boyle and Carbomb definitely have some chemistry together as well

Definitely agree that if Stralman is NOT resigned, then we should be looking at resigning Diaz (since he'll be half of stralman's upcoming contract) and look into moving Moore and/or hagelin for another decent winger

I'd keep Dorsett AND re-sign Carcillo.

I'd look at re-signing Diaz as well.

Depth.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a big, tough LWer, I'd move Hagelin + Moore.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I know +/- is a skewed stat but Ovechkin was a -35 while potting 79 points in 78 games.

That's impressively bad. 3rd worst in the league. Yes 39 of his points were on the PP and he only had 40 ES points. Still that's hard to do. Takes a special kind of commitment.

And this is coming from a guy who considered Ovie my favorite player for a good 4-5 years. He is so fun to watch. But he is not the answer to bringing a Cup to MSG, IMO.

Ps - Everyone's 2nd favorite trade target, Yak, posted a stellar -33 on the year. But he had the benefit (in this analysis) of only recording 18 ES points on the year. At least with him you can argue there is room to improve.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I know +/- is a skewed stat but Ovechkin was a -35 while potting 79 points in 78 games.

That's impressively bad. 3rd worst in the league. Yes 39 of his points were on the PP and he only had 40 ES points. Still that's hard to do. Takes a special kind of commitment.

And this is coming from a guy who considered Ovie my favorite player for a good 4-5 years. He is so fun to watch. But he is not the answer to bringing a Cup to MSG, IMO.

Ps - Everyone's 2nd favorite trade target, Yak, posted a stellar -33 on the year. But he had the benefit (in this analysis) of only recording 18 ES points on the year. At least with him you can argue there is room to improve.

The scariest thing about players like Ovechkin is not that they can't play on the defensive side of the puck, its that they simply refuse to.

I read a quote from him that said "my job is to score goals and I scored 50" - yes, great, but his non-existent play on the other side of the puck is a reason why his team sucked, but he doesnt seem to care. Thats scary.

 

[Tawnos]

Brett Hull was essentially the same way in Dallas... but Ovechkin doesn't have the benefit of a Selke-winner on his opposite wing and Modano in the middle.