Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXII: To Smurf or not to Smurf

[TheTakedown]

So, Carolina Cutting Salary, eh?

6 years / $29M going to Justin Faulk...

http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=710975&navid=DL|CAR|home

Dropping one of Eric Staal, Cam Ward, or Alex Semin more than Negates that, but I wonder if they actually have plans to do that just yet

 

[Ola]

Jared Staal is so overrated.

I'll counter with Kim Staal:
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=232

 

[Ola]

I don't care if Eric Staal have ten 100+ pts seasons and has been twice the player Nash has been.

Watch Carolina play. Is Eric better than Nash today?

I think that is tough to decide. Eric has been really mediocre when I've seen him the last couple of years.

Looking at how much hate Nash gets, I wonder if Eric wouldn't get more.

 

[RangerBoy]

Marc isn't going to Carolina From: @Hope_Smoke
Sent: Mar 24, 2014 12:15p

Kypreos "the Hurricanes are going to make everyone available at the draft. The Staals, Skinner, Ward anyone for the right price"

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On Twitter: http://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/448130921489657856

 

[AHB*]

I'd check the price on Skinner although I hate his concussion history. And the fact that he was a former figure skater

 

[Thirty One]

Marc isn't going to Carolina From: @Hope_Smoke
Sent: Mar 24, 2014 12:15p

Kypreos "the Hurricanes are going to make everyone available at the draft. The Staals, Skinner, Ward anyone for the right price"

sent via TweetDeck
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/448130921489657856
TRAID PORPOSAL TIME!!!!!!

To San Jose:
Mats Zuccarello

To New York:
Matt Nieto
2014 1st round pick
2014 4th round pick

To Carolina:
Derick Brassard
Matt Nieto
Danny Kristo
SJ's 2014 2nd round pick

To New York:
Eric Staal

TELL ME WHY I"M WRONG

 

[Bluenote13]

Marc isn't going to Carolina From: @Hope_Smoke
Sent: Mar 24, 2014 12:15p

Kypreos "the Hurricanes are going to make everyone available at the draft. The Staals, Skinner, Ward anyone for the right price"

sent via TweetDeck
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/448130921489657856

I'd bet on both Ward and Skinner for sure.

Not so sure about the Staals. If its their request, expect a Canadian team, eh ?

 

[Thirty One]

I'd bet on both Ward and Skinner for sure.

Not so sure about the Staals. If its their request, expect a Canadian team, eh ?

Why? That wasn't Jordan's priority the first time.

 

[Bluenote13]

Why? That wasn't Jordan's priority the first time.

Just a guess.

 

[Thirty One]

Just a guess.

Meh. New York is a lot closer to Thunder Bay than 4/7 Canadian cities. I would guess playing with Marc would be at the top of their list.

*To be clear, Canada has more than 7 cities. That's just those with NHL teams.

 

[Emptyvoid]

Meh. New York is a lot closer to Thunder Bay than 4/7 Canadian cities. I would guess playing with Marc would be at the top of their list.

*To be clear, Canada has more than 7 cities. That's just those with NHL teams.

Huh, learn something new everyday.

 

[Fitzy]

I'm all for getting Skinner, but with the MSL addition I'm not sure how we'd pull it off.

We've agreed one of the team's major problems is lack of clinical finishers, and low shooting %.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Marc isn't going to Carolina From: @Hope_Smoke
Sent: Mar 24, 2014 12:15p

Kypreos "the Hurricanes are going to make everyone available at the draft. The Staals, Skinner, Ward anyone for the right price"

sent via TweetDeck
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/448130921489657856
TRAID PORPOSAL TIME!!!!!!

To San Jose:
Mats Zuccarello

To New York:
Matt Nieto
2014 1st round pick
2014 4th round pick

To Carolina:
Derick Brassard
Matt Nieto
Danny Kristo
SJ's 2014 2nd round pick

To New York:
Eric Staal

TELL ME WHY I"M WRONG

if the Rangers get Nieto, they should keep him. but if they get him, it would be a longshot... no way id move him for Staal.

 

[zuckera1]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, gotta go after Jason Spezza.

Brassard
McIlrath
Dorsett
3rd

for

Spezza
5th

Zucc - Spezza - St. Louis
Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Pouliot - Miller - Fast
Carcillo - Moore - Boyle

 

[haveandare]

Marc isn't going to Carolina From: @Hope_Smoke
Sent: Mar 24, 2014 12:15p

Kypreos "the Hurricanes are going to make everyone available at the draft. The Staals, Skinner, Ward anyone for the right price"

sent via TweetDeck
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/448130921489657856
TRAID PORPOSAL TIME!!!!!!

To San Jose:
Mats Zuccarello

To New York:
Matt Nieto
2014 1st round pick
2014 4th round pick

To Carolina:
Derick Brassard
Matt Nieto
Danny Kristo
SJ's 2014 2nd round pick

To New York:
Eric Staal

TELL ME WHY I"M WRONG

Lose Zucc and even more prospects that NYR can't afford to lose for another player on a huge contract?

Absolutely not.

The big money guys are set IMO, or at least, they should be: Hank, McD, Girardi, Staal, Nash, MSL. Supplement them with Stepan, Miller, Kreider, Zucc, Hagelin, Klein. Add guys on ELCs or otherwise early contracts that they actually have a chance of playing above their pay grade. That's the way to go forward here without absolutely destroying any chance of a future.

I don't think the MSL trade was as bad as many do, but part of the price of that trade is that this team simply can't trade anymore futures for a while.

 

[Fitzy]

Rather not see Zuccarello go to another team and put up 60+ points a year for the next decade.

Do you want a "One that got away"?

Because that's how you get a "One that got away"

 

[Thirty One]

Lose Zucc and even more prospects that NYR can't afford to lose for another player on a huge contract?

Absolutely not.

The big money guys are set IMO, or at least, they should be: Hank, McD, Girardi, Staal, Nash, MSL. Supplement them with Stepan, Miller, Kreider, Zucc, Hagelin, Klein. Add guys on ELCs or otherwise early contracts that they actually have a chance of playing above their pay grade. That's the way to go forward here without absolutely destroying any chance of a future.

I don't think the MSL trade was as bad as many do, but part of the price of that trade is that this team simply can't trade anymore futures for a while.

The futures that the Rangers give up in that trade consists of Danny Kristo, an impending UFA.

Rather not see Zuccarello go to another team and put up 60+ points a year for the next decade.

Do you want a "One that got away"?

Because that's how you get a "One that got away"

Would you bet on Zuccarello scoring 60 points for the next decade over Staal?

 

[Fitzy]

I don't think that proposed deal gets us Staal.

I also think Hfboards, and the Rangers section in general overvalues the value of a top center as compared to a 1B center or a top winger. Probably just because it's the only thing we haven't had of late.

You look at Staal's numbers, he wouldn't be a huge upgrade 1-2 years from now over what I expect Stepan will be. He's a 70 point guy.

 

[Thirty One]

I don't think that proposed deal gets us Staal.

I also think Hfboards, and the Rangers section in general overvalues the value of a top center as compared to a 1B center or a top winger. Probably just because it's the only thing we haven't had of late.

You look at Staal's numbers, he wouldn't be a huge upgrade 1-2 years from now over what I expect Stepan will be. He's a 70 point guy.

I agree. But isn't Staal and Stepan down the middle better than Stepan?

 

[Fitzy]

I agree. But isn't Staal and Stepan down the middle better than Stepan?

This is Staal-Stepan down the middle at the expense of Stepan-Brassard down the middle with Zuccarello on the wing.

Brassard provides 45-50 points at a hit about half of Eric Staal's. If Zuccarello is signed 4 years 16 million, he can provide 50-65 at half the hit. The only thing you're losing is the potential production of the extra roster spot.

We need to keep some 20's talent on this team. For a decent period, Brassard and Zuccarello were our best pairing and boosted our power play.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

This is Staal-Stepan down the middle at the expense of Stepan-Brassard down the middle with Zuccarello on the wing.

Brassard provides 45-50 points at a hit about half of Eric Staal's. If Zuccarello is signed 4 years 16 million, he can provide 50-65 at half the hit. The only thing you're losing is the potential production of the extra roster spot.

We need to keep some 20's talent on this team. For a decent period, Brassard and Zuccarello were our best pairing and boosted our power play.

I think both Brassard and Zuccarello become much easier to replace when you've got a premium center like Staal.

 

[Fitzy]

I think both Brassard and Zuccarello become much easier to replace when you've got a premium center like Staal.

If Staal helps so much, it begs the question of why Carolina can't win with guys to complement him like Skinner, Semin, Tlusty, and Staal the 3rd.

 

[Thirty One]

This is Staal-Stepan down the middle at the expense of Stepan-Brassard down the middle with Zuccarello on the wing.

Brassard provides 45-50 points at a hit about half of Eric Staal's. If Zuccarello is signed 4 years 16 million, he can provide 50-65 at half the hit. The only thing you're losing is the potential production of the extra roster spot.

We need to keep some 20's talent on this team. For a decent period, Brassard and Zuccarello were our best pairing and boosted our power play.

Staal will be in his 20s for the first month of the season!

Not that I understand why you need players below an arbitrary age.

Also: Zuccarello has tiny bones which tend to get broken.

 

[Thirty One]

If Staal helps so much, it begs the question of why Carolina can't win with guys to complement him like Skinner, Semin, Tlusty, and Staal the 3rd.

 

[Fitzy]