Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXII: To Smurf or not to Smurf

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http://www.capgeek.com/buyout-calculator/?player_id=518&buyout_y=2014&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

A budget team like Carolina is not going to spend $12.5 mil to have someone not play for them, especially considering E. Staal is the face of the franchise and a sub-30 #1C who still puts up good numbers. If the Canes couldn't find a taker for his entire contract, they could retain a portion of his cap hit/salary like they did with Jokinen, Welsh and Ruutu to facilitate a trade. The idea of getting a player of Eric Staal's caliber without having to give up anything in return I'm sure is nice to think about. However, it's just not realistic.
 
Yeah, any talk of the Canes buying out Staal is ridiculous. Never gonna happen.

And personally I don't think it makes us a better team to trade away Nash for Staal. We need more finishers, not less. Staal is not the 40+ goal scorer he once was.
 
Best thing about the whole Staal situation is the whole band of brothers thing might be less enticing if Eric is on his way out.

Skinner is also on the block, would fit in nicely given his size.
 
Yeah, any talk of the Canes buying out Staal is ridiculous. Never gonna happen.

And personally I don't think it makes us a better team to trade away Nash for Staal. We need more finishers, not less. Staal is not the 40+ goal scorer he once was.

We need a #1C, way more then Nash. We have three good RW's. Trading Nash for a legit #1C would fill an absolute massive hole on this team and make us significantly better.

Staal-MSL
Stepan-Zucc

That is a great two pairings.
 
Staal has always been one of the most overrated players in the league.

Rick Nash is a much much MUCh better player imho.
 
Staal has always been one of the most overrated players in the league.

Rick Nash is a much much MUCh better player imho.

Lol, not even close. Staal is easily the better player.

Edit: Woops, sorry, I thought you were talking about Eric not Jordan. I agree, Jordan isn't better then Nash, but Eric, by a significant margin is.
 
No, i'm talking about Eric.

He's such an overrated player good god.

People talk about him like he's an elite upper end unstoppable force.

Hes not.

He's a 30ish 40ish player.

That's really not much different than what Nash gives you, except when Nash is on, he's an unstoppable player that can drag a team to a win. Ive never really seen that from Staal. He's a good player. Hes not a great one.

Hate on me all you want, i don't care. The grass ALWAYS seems to be greener on the other side from Ranger fans.

Absolutely zero appreciation for what we have and overglorification for other teams players.

Nash > Staal. Maybe not this years Nash, but that's because of his concussion screwing with his season. Overall, I'll take Nash every, single, time.
 
No, i'm talking about Eric.

He's such an overrated player good god.

People talk about him like he's an elite upper end unstoppable force.

Hes not.

He's a 30ish 40ish player.

That's really not much different than what Nash gives you, except when Nash is on, he's an unstoppable player that can drag a team to a win. Ive never really seen that from Staal. He's a good player. Hes not a great one.

Hate on me all you want, i don't care. The grass ALWAYS seems to be greener on the other side from Ranger fans.

Absolutely zero appreciation for what we have and overglorification for other teams players.

Nash > Staal. Maybe not this years Nash, but that's because of his concussion screwing with his season. Overall, I'll take Nash every, single, time.

ROFL.

Just, ROFL.

NASH is the "unstoppable force" when he's on? Take a look at Staal in the playoffs, then come back.
 
No, i'm talking about Eric.

He's such an overrated player good god.

People talk about him like he's an elite upper end unstoppable force.

Hes not.

He's a 30ish 40ish player.

That's really not much different than what Nash gives you, except when Nash is on, he's an unstoppable player that can drag a team to a win. Ive never really seen that from Staal. He's a good player. Hes not a great one.

Hate on me all you want, i don't care. The grass ALWAYS seems to be greener on the other side from Ranger fans.

Absolutely zero appreciation for what we have and overglorification for other teams players.

Nash > Staal. Maybe not this years Nash, but that's because of his concussion screwing with his season. Overall, I'll take Nash every, single, time.

Eric Staal is an unstoppable force when he's on. Way more so then Rick Nash. Staal literally dragged his team to a Stanley Cup. Rick Nash hasn't dragged his ****ing team to the playoffs. Let alone through multiple series. The guy is one of the biggest choke artists in the game.

Laughable, just laughable.

Just adding, the fact that you say you've never seen Staal be unstoppable, means you've probably seen him play about 5 games.
 
The playoffs argument is such a sack of crap.

A small sample size means nothing to me.

I remember the same ********* argument over why Marian Hossa and Pavel Datsyuk were such terrible players.

OMGZ they suck in the playoffs!

Congrats. A guy played well in a 20+ game sample size. Yippee.

He's a good player, Not going to doubt that at all. I'll still take a healthy Nash over him any day of the week.
 
The playoffs argument is such a sack of crap.

A small sample size means nothing to me.

I remember the same ********* argument over why Marian Hossa and Pavel Datsyuk were such terrible players.

OMGZ they suck in the playoffs!

Congrats. A guy played well in a 20+ game sample size. Yippee.

He's a good player, Not going to doubt that at all. I'll still take a healthy Nash over him any day of the week.

What are you smoking

Must be like some exotic Jamaican grown ****
 
Rick Nash is overrated. And I guarantee you the majority of unbiased hockey fans would tell you that both are overrated, but Nash way more so then E. Staal.

Start a poll on the main boards if you'd like. Rick Nash is an elite goal scorer. Eric Staal is an elite hockey player.
 
Eric Staal is an unstoppable force when he's on. Way more so then Rick Nash. Staal literally dragged his team to a Stanley Cup. Rick Nash hasn't dragged his ****ing team to the playoffs. Let alone through multiple series. The guy is one of the biggest choke artists in the game.

Laughable, just laughable.

He dragged his team? Wouldnt he have been the Conn Smythe then if that was the case?

Stillman had 2 points less than staal and was a +12 to Staals 0

Again, don't take this for Staal sucks. He doesn't. He's a very good player. I think people, again, always think the grass is greener on the other side.
 
I just find it funny that two of the most overpaid players in the league are being compared.

If I'm starting a team from scratch, cap hits not taken into consideration, I'm taking Eric Staal, but it's not as far off as either side of the argument is trying to accentuate.
 
He dragged his team? Wouldnt he have been the Conn Smythe then if that was the case?

Stillman had 2 points less than staal and was a +12 to Staals 0

Again, don't take this for Staal sucks. He doesn't. He's a very good player. I think people, again, always think the grass is greener on the other side.

The grass is greener in this case.

Rick Nash can drag his team to a win? Woopdy ****ing do. Also, how many times did he do that in Columbus? Seems he didn't do much winning there.

Rick Nash is a supplementary player. Albeit, a very good one (and paid highly for it), but he's not a #1 player. Eric Staal is.
 
The grass is greener in this case.

Rick Nash can drag his team to a win? Woopdy ****ing do. Also, how many times did he do that in Columbus? Seems he didn't do much winning there.

Rick Nash is a supplementary player. Albeit, a very good one (and paid highly for it), but he's not a #1 player. Eric Staal is.

It's tough to win when you have no help. Columbus has been a **** show forever. Its just recently theyve been a decent team in a very weak conference.

I refuse to persecute him for being on a crappy team.

I'm not sure I know of many 300+ goal scorers under the age of 30 who are "supplementary"

I just feel like when nash is on his game, he's up there with the elite of the elite.

Ive never felt like that when watching Staal on his game.

*shrugs*

you're not going to convince me.

I'm not going to convince you (all)

Let's just agree to disagree.

I'm done here.
 
It's tough to win when you have no help. Columbus has been a **** show forever. Its just recently theyve been a decent team in a very weak conference.

I refuse to persecute him for being on a crappy team.

I'm not sure I know of many 300+ goal scorers under the age of 30 who are "supplementary"

I just feel like when nash is on his game, he's up there with the elite of the elite.

Ive never felt like that when watching Staal on his game.

*shrugs*

you're not going to convince me.

I'm not going to convince you (all)

Let's just agree to disagree.

I'm done here.

For some reason, just feel a need to let you know I agree with you.
 
Nash is not being traded... As much as it sucks to say, he's just not...

BUT, I can see a few pieces being entertained by Carolina for Staal... It'd take alot to get him, but again, if a #1C is our biggest hole, how do we fix it? Look at the free agent market:


Stastny, Paul
Jokinen, Olli
Legwand, David
Roy, Derek
Koivu, Saku
Bolland, Dave
Grabovski, Mikhail...

and now look at the trade market:

Kesler
E. Staal
Mike Cammeleri
Sam Gagner
Nazem Kadri
Jason Spezza

There are two guys in free agency (Stastny and Legwand) that can player #1C/#2C position.

Out of the trade market, the only team it would be "easy" to negotiate with is Ottawa or Toronto, as they are bubble teams.
The rest are looking for rebuilding/retooling pieces, since the others are looking for decent pieces in return for their 1C..

The only upside to negotiating with Carolina is the leverage of moving Eric to play with Marc... Not sure if Eric has any no-trade clauses. but that's definitely a negotiation leverage
 
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