Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXX: Don't You Do It, Slats!

[sexton11]

The cap was practically half of what it is today when Drury signed that deal. Drury was given super star money at the time. Callahan is not getting that.

Anything north of 6m is most definatly superstar money.

 

[Anthony Mauro]

you're comparing apples and oranges here.

Drury made his mark on some stacked teams in Colorado and Buffalo.

And Callahan made less of a mark on worse teams?

 

[GregSirico]

Oh, I totally agree, but I'm just saying that if Callahan's contributions can't be overrated. He's done a lot for this team and if he didn't have absolutely ridiculous demands, I'd want him to stay for another 2-3 years.

I still want him back because of his mentality and hard work ... especially with young players and guys with talent who tend to be lazy ... but the money is just so hard to commit to. I wish he would take a hometown discount but ... hey he wants to get paid.

 

[jskramer83]

Yeah, I don't know how anyone can say he's overrated. That's really devaluing him and his contributions. Maybe on the stat sheet, but if you look just at the stats, you really miss Ryan Callahan's real positives.

Bottom line, if you are going to sign someone who doesn't put up stats because of their intangibles, that person better be leading you to championships.

Callahan has not done this, I am not even understanding where people are getting the idea he is this great leader? What exactly has he lead us too?

His presence has not brought this team to the next level at all, yes he tries hard and gives his all 100% of the time. But a team of "Rudy's" only gives you a practice squad caliber team and a good movie

 

[KingStian]

We all knew the Drury contract was going to be an albatross when he signed it, and he was a lot better at that point in his career than Callahan is right now. What's the definition of insanity again?

Not quite sure. Let's sign Callahan while we try to figure it out

 

[GregSirico]

Anything north of 6m is most definatly superstar money.

I kind of wonder if in 3 years 6M is not "superstar" money with the cap rising ... just a thought.

 

[Off Sides]

What's the definition of insanity again?

Being a Ranger fan at the trade deadline and on free agent day?

 

[Broadway Brad]

You realize giving Callahan 2 million more dollars doesn't cripple our ability to re-sign our youth right?

Not bringing Cally back opens up a ton of cap space that has to be used somewhere. And it ain't gonna be used to bring in some young player on a good contract, it will be used to overpay some late 20's player on a long term contract. That's how it works.

This is beyond ridiculous. You act as if there has never been a good free agent signing in NHL history. There are multiple ways to spend $6 million more effectively than Ryan Callahan NEXT SEASON, never mind 5 years down the road.

 

[Crease]

Anything north of 6m is most definatly superstar money.

I wouldn't go that far. There's 50+ guys in the league with cap hits of $6m+

 

[Anthony Mauro]

The only intangible I'd be willing to pay extra for is a player who's clutch. If you have a player who somehow finds a way to score goals when you need them or just plays really well in intense situations, you pay extra for that. What does Callahan do that doesn't go on the stat sheet?

And even then, that's not an intangible as goals show up! LOL

 

[bernmeister]

Maybe, but Lombardi is usually stingy about giving up prospects.

Which is why I asked.
That's a recent 1st he'd be coughing up.

 

[stan the caddy]

Anything north of 6m is most definatly superstar money.

Try 8-10. UFA superstars don't ask for 6 million dollars unless they're offering a discount.

 

[LORENZO]

Can someone give me a low down of what is going to happen in a single sentence?

 

[E-Train]

Which is why I asked.
That's a recent 1st he'd be coughing up.

Point is moot anyway. Just waiting for the tweet that says he resigns.

 

[Anthony Mauro]

Try 8-10. UFA superstars don't ask for 6 million dollars unless they're offering a discount.

Really good 3rd liners/Borderline 2nd liners do?

 

[Jim Ramsay]

Oh, I totally agree, but I'm just saying that if Callahan's contributions can't be overrated. He's done a lot for this team and if he didn't have absolutely ridiculous demands, I'd want him to stay for another 2-3 years.

We all would want Callahan to stay for a reasonable rate...I don't care if the cap is going up 2 million dollars....you don't pay a guy 6+ mil for shotblocking/penalty killing


it's just insane.. JT Miller (although obviously not as good as Callahan) will definitely provide similar production. Trade Callahan for a cheaper roster player or a pick and move on....that would be better for the team in the long run... Zucc on the second line, Miller on the 3rd plus Callahans returns in a trade is smarter than paying Callahan 6 million

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I agree, but why should we all of a sudden decide to abandon ship with 20 games left in the season?

Abandon ship?

If this team is going to implode without Ryan Callahan and his diminished role, then theres bigger problems afoot.

 

[stan the caddy]

This is beyond ridiculous. You act as if there has never been a good free agent signing in NHL history. There are multiple ways to spend $6 million more effectively than Ryan Callahan NEXT SEASON, never mind 5 years down the road.

Tell me what you would do.

 

[Crease]

Can someone give me a low down of what is going to happen in a single sentence?

Sather thinks he has Callahan right where he wants him and Callahan can't believe starting at 7x7 worked.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Can someone give me a low down of what is going to happen in a single sentence?

Callahan is going to sign an extension for 6 years for a touch over 6M.

I expect we'll know in a couple more hours. Otherwise I don't see how Glen can justify devoting so much focus to this negotiation while the rest of the league makes moves.

 

[Gardner McKay]

The cap was practically half of what it is today when Drury signed that deal. Drury was given super star money at the time. Callahan is not getting that.

No. Not practically half. Not even close. It was 50.3 million. Was Drury overpaid? Yep. Just because we made the mistake of giving Drury that contract it should not justify doing the same for Callahan. It is called learning from your mistakes.

 

[GregSirico]

I have sort of backed Sather (a bit) for a while ... even when he's made tons of bone head moves ... but if he gives Callahan anything over 6M a year ... I AM DONE WITH HIM.

 

[sexton11]

I kind of wonder if in 3 years 6M is not "superstar" money with the cap rising ... just a thought.

I kind of wonder if in 3 years Callahan can still tie his own skates.

 

[NYR Sting]

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We all would want Callahan to stay for a reasonable rate...I don't care if the cap is going up 2 million dollars....you don't pay a guy 6+ mil for shotblocking/penalty killing


it's just insane.. JT Miller (although obviously not as good as Callahan) will definitely provide similar production. Trade Callahan for a cheaper roster player or a pick and move on....that would be better for the team in the long run... Zucc on the second line, Miller on the 3rd plus Callahans returns in a trade is smarter than paying Callahan 6 million

Luckily, shotblocking has very little to do with what makes Ryan Callahan a great player. Hitting and shotblocking is, unfortunately, the only way some fans have of gauging value outside of goals and assists, thus making it very difficult for most of them to have any sort of appreciation for the numerous other more valuable and more important elements of Callahan's game.

 

[KingWantsCup]

I think the only team's that make sense to sign Callahan would be teams at the beginning of a full on rebuild. He's not worth $6M+, but if you're not gonna contend for a while, what does that matter? What he would be good for would be instilling leadership and a culture of hard work that would rub off on the young guys. The obvious team is Buffalo. Calgary also comes to mind.