Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXX: Don't You Do It, Slats!

[Filip Chytil]

#Isles also get LI-born C Matt Mangene from Philly. U. Maine product, 24, undrafted FA playing in AHL.

Per Arthur Staple.

https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday

So it was 2nd, 3rd, and Mangene for McDonald as the final trade.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone completely random got traded here before the deadline. For an even more random package coming from us.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Specifically, what free agents are you going to go after? Only x amount of players will become available. Who are you getting a good deal on?

http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents

Vrbata, Ott, Grabovski, Niskanen and several others I would kick tired on. You don't need to make a big name signing to make your team better, just address a need. There are plenty of other guys on that list that could fill a role. It is okay to make one smaller signing and sit on some cap space for the follow batch of free agents.

 

[Callagraves]

No, no. Not fools. Sensationalist, unoriginal hive-mind sheep. It's not that we have our own strong opinions on Callahan and are wrong; it's that we don't even know if we want Cally or not and are just so weak that we say whatever the majority says. You know, because you could make more insulting posts about the entire group of people posting here without getting an infraction if you tried.

Oh come along. I did say sensationalist, which I'd find hard to imagine you'd disagree with. But unoriginal hive-minded sheep is an exaggeration. I'm not discounting posters opinions, but to suggest that this board's frequently swaying opinions doesn't encourage mob-mentality is unthinkable to me.

It's happened before, it'll happen every time. A player enters contract talks, and public opinion plummets. Stepan, Dubinsky, Prust, Callahan, even Lundqvist. EVERY time. As soon as it's even a whisper, that player comes under a microscope that is inherently negative. Every miss, every post-hit, every awkward movement is harped on and piled on until there are threads full of willful ignorance regarding that player's ability and value. And it happened with nearly every player.

And we all do it. I did it with Del Zotto, even thought I was happy with his contract. I ENDLESSLY piled on Pyatt. Because I ****ing hate him as a player.

This board's opinion is fickle. I won't apologize for that. It's always been a case of "what have you done for me lately". The stars catch it worse than others (Gaborik, Richards, Nash). But as soon as a contract negotiation is underway? That player can't do ANYTHING right around here (and even if they do, it just "Ups their trade value").

 

[Dagoon44]

Sather blinking and extending the deadline makes me feel like cally won and will be signed .. I don't like that idea but Sather blinked

 

[17futurecap]

Solid deal for Isle, McDonald isn't good, they played him a lot of minutes, was making peanuts, and a UFA at the end of the year, good trade for them.

 

[Broadway Brad]

Specifically, what free agents are you going to go after? Only x amount of players will become available. Who are you getting a good deal on?

http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents

To be honest, I'm not sure, but that's not the point. The point is leaving yourself open to a potential good deal. It's also about the future. Who's to say that a very good player doesn't come up in free agency in 4 years, but we can't afford him because we're paying Cally $6 mil a year.

 

[stan the caddy]

well if we're giving a **** deal.. I'd rather give Stastny 7, than Callahan 6 no question.. someone plays a more vital position, puts up more points and plays just as good defensively.

That's fair but I wouldn't. Remember, Stastny wasn't all that productive the three years before this one and if he's not playing with Nash he might struggle to break 50 points on Rangers ice.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

No you don't ... but what FA will be available that is our MISSING link to getting over the hump or pushing us toward the top to compete w/ Boston, Chicago, Pit, etc.

There isn't one single move that can fix this team. A smart signing would only be one of a handful of steps needed to get there. That doesn't mean we should just stick with the status quo instead.

 

[Crease]

No you don't ... but what FA will be available that is our MISSING link to getting over the hump or pushing us toward the top to compete w/ Boston, Chicago, Pit, etc.

None. In a salary cap league, you're gunna have to draft, trade for, or offer sheet those key pieces. I'd rather the Rangers focus on that instead of giving raises to core guys who couldn't get it done in their primes and are just getting older.

 

[RGY]

@RealKyper: #Flyers heavy on the blueline with addition of MacDonald. Look for them to move someone out. Meszaros and L. Schenn names are out there.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Was Sather genuinely surprised by the poor returns for rentals? Was the plan all along to negotiate with Callahan until the final bell? Will this drag into the summer?

There are worse things in this world than resigning Callahan, but the lack of planning and foresight continues to be a major issue

 

[stan the caddy]

To be honest, I'm not sure, but that's not the point. The point is leaving yourself open to a potential good deal. It's also about the future. Who's to say that a very good player doesn't come up in free agency in 4 years, but we can't afford him because we're paying Cally $6 mil a year.

It's the whole point. If you're living four years from now we should be blowing up the team, which I was fine with until Hank re-signed.

There's an opportunity cost to not signing Callahan and you have to present real scenarios. That's what making a plan is all about.

 

[Mikos87]

How many playoff series has Colorado won with Stasny under that contract?

Or have they been a lottery team during his tenure?

Most of you look at contracts like an arbitration lawyer... and that is without considering what the player does every game.

If Chris Kreider went full tilt every game like Callahan, he would be a 30 goal scorer, yet no one gets on his case because he isn't 25 yet. The shine on the toy is there... he still has potential

Was Stasny team USA's top center? No he went up against 3rd pair D.

Is Stastny the best center on his team? No you can argue 3 guys (Duchene, O'Reilly, MacKinnon) as all being better players than him.

Look at Paul's point totals after signing that contract... it decreased with an improving team.

 

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

I feel like ... Or I hope

That if Sather was budging from 6x6 the deal would be done.

Please trade him.

 

[broadwayblue]

I would trade him right now for whatever they can get and use the money in free agency. Signing Callahan for 6x6 is almost a guarantee to be an albatross contract. He doesn't fit this system, he's declining, and he's injury prone. Getting a 1st round pick for him, plus 1-2 free agents is better for this team in the long run. Now, the free agent signing(s) could very well turn out to be bad deals, but at least they would be leaving themselves open to get a productive player plus the first round pick (or whatever they get in return for Cally).

Agree with all. Although I'd be happy getting even a 2nd and a prospect for him at this point as opposed to being stuck with him for the better part of the next 6 years.

 

[GregSirico]

None. In a salary cap league, you're gunna have to draft, trade for, or offer sheet those key pieces. I'd rather the Rangers focus on that instead of giving raises to core guys who are getting older and couldn't get it done in their primes.

I don't think we have the luxury (time wise with our window to win) to draft and develop guys to help this team ASAP, ... trades are the only way to go.

 

[SKS]

I'm a Henrik Ibsen fan.

Incredibly literate and punchy response for HFboards

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Because Sather is an idiot. He cant even follow his own ultimatums.

And what is Gorton doing in all of this? Sleeping?

 

[Riverdale]

ANY news on Callahan?

I hate Sather so much...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I don't think we have the luxury (time wise with our window to win) to draft and develop guys to help this team ASAP, ... trades are the only way to go.

Same **** was said 5,10,15,20,30 years ago.

When will be a good time, exactly?

My philosophy? No time like the present.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Stastny is their shutdown center though. He plays all the tough matchups defensively. He's better defensively than Duchene or MacKinnon. O'Reilly was moved to the wing because they want to keep Stastny. One player doesn't steer the fate of the team. The Avs were a rebuilding team while he was there; a lack of playoff success does not fall on his shoulders. Who was their D? Who was in net? Varly is only just coming into his own really and wasn't even there the whole time. Stastny is still fairly young and much better than people who just stat watch think. He plays a tough and important role in Colorado. In more offensive minutes here he would produce more.

Not saying I'm for acquiring him, but I hate the uneducated arguments against him.

 

[Callagraves]

Why?

I think for what he brings, he's worth that to THIS team. He's scored at a consistent 55-60 pace for the past several years, and while some say he's slowed down a step, I also think he's been able to introduce some more skill to his game.

But what's just as important is what he does when he's in a slump. He brings energy, he brings physical play, and if SOMEBODY needs to make a statement, to play themselves to death, he's the first to do it.

Ryan Callahan plays in every situation, and in recent years, has excelled in every situation, relative to his role on the team. There are some who expect him to be a 1st line scoring superstar, or a 3rd line grinder. He's neither. He's a 2nd liner who provides BORDERLINE primary scoring, but specializes in fore-checking and defense.

Is Ryan Callahan worth 6M to say, St. Louis? No. They have players like him. They have a wealth of players like him, actually. Would Ryan Callahan be worth 6 million to the Rangers if they had more players like Dubinsky, Backes, Brown, Landeskog, ROR, Wheeler, Oshie (you see where I'm going.)? No.

The Rangers have 2 forwards who bring that type of fire. Callahan, and amazingly, Zucc. I'd hope Hags would, but he hasn't. Kreider shows flashes, but nothing that sets a tone. You trade Callahan, and who's setting that tone? Stepan? Nash? Sure, McD, Girardi, and Staal all play that way, but I think you need a forward to set the pace, and the example, considering how involved they are up front.

I think for the offense, defense, leadership, physicality, experience, and effort that he brings, as well as what he means to that locker room (which we've seen to be, quite a bit), I think Ryan Callahan is worth between 6 million dollars and 6.3 million dollars per year to the New York Rangers, under the projected salary cap.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

ANY news on Callahan?

I hate Sather so much...

Hfboards hasn't crashed yet. But when he signs it will.

Embrace the suck. It's going to happen.

 

[Hire Sather]

Same **** was said 5,10,15,20,30 years ago.

When will be a good time, exactly?

My philosophy? No time like the present.

When we don't have a 32 yearold franchise goaltender.