Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXX: Don't You Do It, Slats!

[Crease]

Luongo hasn't been this happy in years.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Yeah, that's probably it. We do need C help, but I just don't see Stastny as a #1.

Hes not.

Won't stop people from being fine with paying him like a #1 and whistling dixie about how hes a "better option than what weve got"

What a way to build a team.

 

[JCrusher*]

I think for what he brings, he's worth that to THIS team. He's scored at a consistent 55-60 pace for the past several years, and while some say he's slowed down a step, I also think he's been able to introduce some more skill to his game.

But what's just as important is what he does when he's in a slump. He brings energy, he brings physical play, and if SOMEBODY needs to make a statement, to play themselves to death, he's the first to do it.

Ryan Callahan plays in every situation, and in recent years, has excelled in every situation, relative to his role on the team. There are some who expect him to be a 1st line scoring superstar, or a 3rd line grinder. He's neither. He's a 2nd liner who provides BORDERLINE primary scoring, but specializes in fore-checking and defense.

Is Ryan Callahan worth 6M to say, St. Louis? No. They have players like him. They have a wealth of players like him, actually. Would Ryan Callahan be worth 6 million to the Rangers if they had more players like Dubinsky, Backes, Brown, Landeskog, ROR, Wheeler, Oshie (you see where I'm going.)? No.

The Rangers have 2 forwards who bring that type of fire. Callahan, and amazingly, Zucc. I'd hope Hags would, but he hasn't. Kreider shows flashes, but nothing that sets a tone. You trade Callahan, and who's setting that tone? Stepan? Nash? Sure, McD, Girardi, and Staal all play that way, but I think you need a forward to set the pace, and the example, considering how involved they are up front.

I think for the offense, defense, leadership, physicality, experience, and effort that he brings, as well as what he means to that locker room (which we've seen to be, quite a bit), I think Ryan Callahan is worth between 6 million dollars and 6.3 million dollars per year to the New York Rangers, under the projected salary cap.

I like Callahan's heart/desire but you cant pay him over 6 million per year for heart I think he is a very good PK who isnt afraid to use his body and he will score occasional goals BUT im sorry he doenst produce the amount to warrant all that money. Also Both Zuccarello and kreider have become more important and they will be up for raises in the offseason. Like i said i really like callahan and would be fine with him staying BUT it would be a mistake to pay him what he wants

 

[nevesis]

“@strombone1: (palm tree emoticon)”

 

[stan the caddy]

By the looks of things, it looks like Stastny began to slow down 5 years ago.

It's amazing that people brag about his offensive ability and then turn around and absolutely slam Callahan and call him a third liner. Stastny is as much of an albatross risk as anyone.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I have a feeling this trading deadline is going to be insane.

Hopefully there are 145 trades including Callahan, twice.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Nevermind. I'm not interested.

 

[Filip Chytil]

#panthers are sending Jacob Markstrom and another player to #canucks for Roberto Luongo

https://twitter.com/LavoieRenaud

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

On paper? He's still a good player. His production isn't what it was when he was the #1C in Colorado, clearly. But when I say Callahan is slowing down, it's based on watching him play, not looking at stats alone. Stastny isn't a 70 point player. He hasn't "slowed down". His role has changed and so has his game. That's not the same thing as Callahan clearly not having the same jump and enthusiasm that he did a couple of years ago.

The exact thing happened to Callahan, no?

I guess Colorado was sick of having a 70 point center and changed his role. Sounds plausible.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Whoa, Markstrom as part of the return. Cool. Markstrom/Lack. Good young Swedish duo now.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The best way to build a tan is the BRUINS.. instead of one elite center, get 3 good ones. If u want a REAL #1c u have to draft one lol yeah right.. or trade Mcd for one, if people aren't willing to do that then shush about getting a real center. So while stastny might be overpaid . Stastny, Stepan, Brassard gives u 3 good centers even if one isn't a #1.. Bergeron is not worth 6.5 but do u see Bruins fans complaining?

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Good for Lou.

 

[stan the caddy]

The exact thing happened to Callahan, no?

I guess Colorado was sick of having a 70 point center and changed his role. Sounds plausible.

I'm pretty sure Cally's scoring would be higher than it is if he was playing with Mackinnon and Landeskog.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

The exact thing happened to Callahan, no?

I guess Colorado was sick of having a 70 point center and changed his role. Sounds plausible.

Well they did draft Duchene, who turned out to be a genuine top center so they kind of had to, and him being very good defensively helped. Regardless. I'm not interests. I don't even want him. I just think a lot of Rangers fans display massive ignorance of players who don't play in the tri-state area. Not saying you. My response originally wasn't to you, regarding Stastny.

 

[Riverdale]

Good for Lou.

So much this.

What is Vancouver going to do now? Is Lack even that good?

edit: just realized markstrom was going to van.

 

[Filip Chytil]

@LavoieRenaud: #Canucks traded Roberto Luongo to Panthers.

I have a feeling this trading deadline is going to be insane.

 

[Levitate]

Markstrom sucks

 

[Killem Dafoe]

The Lou trade nearly broke HFboards.

This is getting insane, i can't see Sather watching all of this and not trying to get involved.

 

[Callagraves]

I like Callahan's heart/desire but you cant pay him over 6 million per year for heart I think he is a very good PK who isnt afraid to use his body and he will score occasional goals BUT im sorry he doenst produce the amount to warrant all that money. Also Both Zuccarello and kreider have become more important and they will be up for raises in the offseason. Like i said i really like callahan and would be fine with him staying BUT it would be a mistake to pay him what he wants

I'm a HUGE fan of Zucc, and I believe in what Kreider could become.

When either one of them produces consistently for a full season or longer, I'll consider them more important short term. Obviously, CK is more important in the future, and Zucc has shown some true brilliance. Still I maintain, for the role Callahan is asked to fill, I don't see another available option, and I don't think the Rangers can succeed without some one filling it

 

[*Bob Richards*]

I think the Luongo trade broke HF. I'm getting a **** ton of Database Errors.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Yep, first time in a long time...

 

[Killem Dafoe]

I think the Luongo trade broke HF. I'm getting a **** ton of Database Errors.

Same here. There are about 23 million people on HF right now. 90% in the Luongo trade thread.

 

[Callagraves]

Funny, I think the exact opposite. He brings 55-60 points, effort, leadership. He's an example-setter. For what he brings, he's worth $6m a year to a team like Edmonton or Buffalo. A team that doesn't spend to the cap ceiling and needs a guy to set a good example for their youngsters. This Rangers team already has example-setters like Girardi, Staal and Lundqvist. They need offense. $6m to Callahan is just bad asset management for a team like the Rangers.

I think a difference is that Edmonton and Buffalo are building. Investing in Cally would be bad for them, because by the time that team is ready to compete, Callahan wouldn't be. If you want him to help groom younger players, a la Knee-less Drury, that's one thing, but the Rangers, for better or worse, are in win-now. And honestly, I think trading your hardest working player away from a team that has frankly had some SERIOUS effort and intensity issues is a death sentence. It's handing the team to Nash, which I think ends with us becoming the next Columbus.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I'm pretty sure Cally's scoring would be higher than it is if he was playing with Mackinnon and Landeskog.

In Stastny's worst season (11-12) he was sharing most of his ice time with a decaying Hejduk and an NHL space-filler David Jones. 12-13 was Jones and McGinn. They moved him down because Matt Duchene is better - surprise - and the team had no depth for years. But yeah, he's such an inconsistent producer, there's no way he would carry his weight on a good line.

 

[Fongule]

Still waiting for Callahan.......