Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXX: Don't You Do It, Slats!

[LiveLongandProspal]

Yeah, I don't know how anyone can say he's overrated. That's really devaluing him and his contributions. Maybe on the stat sheet, but if you look just at the stats, you really miss Ryan Callahan's real positives.

 

[silverfish]

You realize giving Callahan 2 million more dollars doesn't cripple our ability to re-sign our youth right?

Not bringing Cally back opens up a ton of cap space that has to be used somewhere. And it ain't gonna be used to bring in some young player on a good contract, it will be used to overpay some late 20's player on a long term contract. That's how it works.

Like Callahan?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

"Hey Jimmy, how's the hockey team doing."

"Good! Making money."

Nice.

"Had to slash the scouting budget to pay Wade Redden, but still meeting forecasts!"

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

*cringe* but.... kind of.

It was an exaggeration! Haha, but yeah, I really don't want Callahan to sign for 6/6

 

[Gardner McKay]

No, because we didn't have to. But that's Callahan's price tag and that's what you have to spend if you want him around. I'm not advocating paying more than we have to.

I just love how everyone who bashes the signing has absolutely no plan whatsoever.

"Yea, we'll just avoid free agency because we don't want to "overpay" so we'll just give the money back to the owner."

Right. We don't want him around for that price tag. It is not mob mentality or groupthink. It is common sense.

 

[KingWantsCup]

Sometimes I forget why I come here, and then I see gems like this.

Just curious, were you also a fan of the last Captain Intangibles?

 

[AHB*]

Callahan wasn't even as good as Drury was when he was good.

So essentially, it will be about the same type of albatross.

What a shame.

 

[mcsauer2738]

What's Matt Moulson, Steve Downie or Steve Ott going to cost? Under AV's system I think Downie and Ott can play a similar role to cally. Moulson would be an upgrade. If we can get Downie and Moulson for $7 mill. total I'd take that over Cally at 6, no?

 

[KingStian]

You realize giving Callahan 2 million more dollars doesn't cripple our ability to re-sign our youth right?

Not bringing Cally back opens up a ton of cap space that has to be used somewhere. And it ain't gonna be used to bring in some young player on a good contract, it will be used to overpay some late 20's player on a long term contract. That's how it works.

Yeah, it cripples it when Callahan in four-five seasons might be a borderline healthy scratch collecting $6M, kind of like Drury was in the end. That is my biggest fear about signing him for more than four or five years.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

Why pay a forward 6+ million dollars for things that DON'T show up on a stat sheet....makes no sense

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Nice.

"Had to slash the scouting budget to pay Wade Redden, but still meeting forecasts!"

Heh. Obviously not the case, but an amusing scene in my head:

JD: "So make sure it's a big contract Glenny, we wanna make news with this one. He's the captain after all, it's an investment."

GS: "Well Ryan says he's willing to accept a five year, 25M contract."

JD: "Better make it 6x6. He's the captain! Gotta spend money to make money, you know?"

 

[Dalagaze]

Nothing personal, but this is exact thinkin is exactly why the Rangers are in a perennial "playoff push" vs being a locked in contender. Always about right now.

I agree, but why should we all of a sudden decide to abandon ship with 20 games left in the season?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Callahan wasn't even as good as Drury was when he was good.

So essentially, it will be about the same type of albatross.

What a shame.

you're comparing apples and oranges here.

Drury made his mark on some stacked teams in Colorado and Buffalo.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I'm sorry, but that's just short-sighted. We only have a few players signed longterm (not including Brad Richards) and those are Lundqvist, Nash, Girardi, McDonagh and Klein. This team needs to have money to spread out so we have solid depth and unless Callahan is going to put this team on his shoulders and carry them to victory, he's not worth 6/6. We need have limited assets and we need to pay players like Zuccarello, Staal, Hagelin, Kreider, Stepan, Miller... and also use that cash to get young players, who are not on the downside of their careers.

 

[17futurecap]

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday 2m

#Isles have traded Andrew MacDonald to the Flyers. More to come.

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday 1m

#Isles get 2014 3rd rounder and a 2015 2nd rounder for MacDonald from the Flyers.

 

[stan the caddy]

Like Callahan?

Exactly. The alternative is not some young 24 year old under team control.

There are always concerns when you go after a player in free agency but it's just how it works. Stastny/Vanek, whoever, all will have huge concerns. If I'm going to spend the money, I'll bring Cally back.

 

[Crease]

Just curious, were you also a fan of the last Captain Intangibles?

Whether he liked Chris Drury or not, it has no bearing on the claim that Callahan is the most overrated Ranger of all time. He's probably not even the most overrated Ranger of the past decade. Hell, there were some people on this board who weren't willing to package Prucha in a hypothetical trade for Crosby.

 

[GregSirico]

Yeah, I don't know how anyone can say he's overrated. That's really devaluing him and his contributions. Maybe on the stat sheet, but if you look just at the stats, you really miss Ryan Callahan's real positives.

No no no. Don't get me wrong he brings a lot to the team that doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but it's hard to fill that stat sheet (what will win games) by locking up your intangible players to big contracts.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Isles traded D Andy McDonald was traded to the Flyers

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

MacDonald to Flyers for 2nd and 3rd.

 

[LORENZO]

Can it just be tomorrow already?

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Why pay a forward 6+ million dollars for things that DON'T show up on a stat sheet....makes no sense

The only intangible I'd be willing to pay extra for is a player who's clutch. If you have a player who somehow finds a way to score goals when you need them or just plays really well in intense situations, you pay extra for that. What does Callahan do that doesn't go on the stat sheet?

 

[stan the caddy]

Callahan wasn't even as good as Drury was when he was good.

So essentially, it will be about the same type of albatross.

What a shame.

The cap was practically half of what it is today when Drury signed that deal. Drury was given super star money at the time. Callahan is not getting that.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

No no no. Don't get me wrong he brings a lot to the team that doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but it's hard to fill that stat sheet (what will win games) by locking up your intangible players to big contracts.

Oh, I totally agree, but I'm just saying that if Callahan's contributions can't be overrated. He's done a lot for this team and if he didn't have absolutely ridiculous demands, I'd want him to stay for another 2-3 years.

 

[sexton11]

Yeah, it cripples it when Callahan in four-five seasons might be a borderline healthy scratch collecting $6M, kind of like Drury was in the end. That is my biggest fear about signing him for more than four or five years.

We all knew the Drury contract was going to be an albatross when he signed it, and he was a lot better at that point in his career than Callahan is right now. What's the definition of insanity again?