Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXX: Don't You Do It, Slats!

[AHB*]

It was placed artificially low this year.

Good Job.

And yet, what was the # before that? And what was it this year?

We'll be right back in another lockout with the way people talk about the cap rising in here.

It's like some guarenteed event. Guess what, it's not. Just like tacking years on at the end of a contract won't hurt us ever, right? Who cares about those 3 years at 1 million.....we'll trade the guy to a cap floor team, while he retires.

O wait.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I just wanna know how it makes any sense at all to trade the captain in the middle of a playoff push. I guess I'm missing something.

Captain could be a free agent in the summer.

Captain could walk in the summer

Captain wants too much money

Its quite simple, actually. These are long-term factors that should be prioritized over another haphazard playoff push.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I just wanna know how it makes any sense at all to trade the captain in the middle of a playoff push. I guess I'm missing something.

Because his role has been diminished and rather than letting him walk for nothing, getting usable assets for the future would be the smart move?

 

[haveandare]

I may die laughing if Callahan is resigned and this season ends up being a slump in an otherwise very solid career.

 

[Vidic15*]

Sorry, but hoping for a playoff-less season if they resign Callahan. No Rangers and no Knicks in the playoffs will hurt Dolan.

 

[nyr2k2]

Sorry, but hoping for a playoff-less season if they resign Callahan. No Rangers and no Knicks in the playoffs will hurt Dolan.

Not enough to make a difference though.

 

[KingStian]

It will continue to rise as the player% increases.

Fans absolutely lose there **** over half a million dollars in player negotiations but you never hear them complain when Sather is just sitting on 1-2 million in cap space, essentially wasting it.

Yeah, it's a real ****ing waste to have the flexibility available in a situation like this a year from now, when other players may be dealt. Let's make sure we never have any flexibility at all. Cause we all know the entire rest of the roster is locked in for the next four years at their contracts, and nobody else is going to have to get raises in the future years.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

It will continue to rise as the player% increases.

Fans absolutely lose there **** over half a million dollars in player negotiations but you never hear them complain when Sather is just sitting on 1-2 million in cap space, essentially wasting it.

That's bc there is a massive difference b/t having 1-2 M in space at the beginning of the year compared to guaranteeing 6 M is used up and allocated poorly likely for 4 years in a row (since I think he'll be ok for at least 2)

 

[Trxjw]

Less than 24 hours to the deadline.

My question is how the **** is this not settled yet from the organization's perspective?

Whats the plan here? Negotiate until 2pm tomorrow and then try to pull off some half-assed trade if it doesnt work out?

Its not like this is news. The organization should have set a hard deck for years and $'s long ago. Theres should be nothing to negotiate at this point.

I think the plan is to keep negotiating through the deadline tomorrow, and then issue some spin about how the market was too expensive for rentals, so they decided to keep Callahan as their own rental so they can continue to negotiate.

Assuming they don't sign him prior to that anyway.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Sorry, but hoping for a playoff-less season if they resign Callahan. No Rangers and no Knicks in the playoffs will hurt Dolan.

And force him to demand we get more high profile players like Stastny. Absolutely not.

 

[stan the caddy]

If 1.5 million is no big deal to you then lets pay Brian Boyle 3 million instead of 1.5. We should have paid Dan Girardi 7 million instead of 5.5. We should have given Richards 8.1 million a year.

Then we give Callahan 6.5 million a year. When you cave over 1-1.5 million over and over it adds up.

No, because we didn't have to. But that's Callahan's price tag and that's what you have to spend if you want him around. I'm not advocating paying more than we have to.

I just love how everyone who bashes the signing has absolutely no plan whatsoever.

"Yea, we'll just avoid free agency because we don't want to "overpay" so we'll just give the money back to the owner."

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I may die laughing if Callahan is resigned and this season ends up being a slump in an otherwise very solid career.

Callahan's probably going to have a few good (likely not great) years, but he's going to break down sooner rather than later. He already has started

 

[Anthony Mauro]

well my 2 cents, i would not even sign him for 5 im done with him get what u can get move on. tired of this BS!

This year I have moved my focus to running DraftBuzz and focusing on the NHL Draft. I am just now realizing Callahan has 25 points in 45GP.

It's crazy to think that Sather has offered 6x6. He shouldn't even garner 5 million.

 

[KingWantsCup]

I'd love to sign him for 5 just like everyone else but it ain't happening. You pay him 6 or he walks.

So if you let him walk, you have to use that money somewhere else. You can't just sit on it, that would be an incredible waste of resources. So where do you go?

FREE AGENCY

Where you end up "overpaying" someone not named Callahan who's also aging.

People are out of control, they act like not re-signing gives us an opportunity to make all these low cost, high value signings. They're living in a dream world.

No. You trade him. So now you have new assets and, in all likelihood, more cap space. Especially if you just get picks/prospects. I'd much rather throw $7M x 6 years at Vanek than give Callahan $6M x 6 years. There's also Stastny who would be a lovely replacement for a soon to be bought out Richards. Make no mistake, there are seldom any "deals" on the open market, but that money is significantly better off given to a guy that is more likely to remain healthy and proven to be a more consistent, better offensive force, rather than Callahan who is quite frankly the most overrated Ranger of all time.

In a hypothetical scenario we could get something along the lines of a 1st, a prospect and Vanek/Stastny in exchange for Callahan in a trade and the useage of the freed up money from that trade.

 

[AHB*]

No, because we didn't have to. But that's Callahan's price tag and that's what you have to spend if you want him around. I'm not advocating paying more than we have to.

I just love how everyone who bashes the signing has absolutely no plan whatsoever.

"Yea, we'll just avoid free agency because we don't want to "overpay" so we'll just give the money back to the owner."

Not saying Sather will make the smart move with that extra money, but the smart move certainly isn't Callahan, so at least the possibility would remain, that that money is allocated properly.

Callahan's role is not what it was under Torts, anyone saying otherwise is blinded by their love for him.

 

[Doctyl]

No, because we didn't have to. But that's Callahan's price tag and that's what you have to spend if you want him around. I'm not advocating paying more than we have to.

I just love how everyone who bashes the signing has absolutely no plan whatsoever.

"Yea, we'll just avoid free agency because we don't want to "overpay" so we'll just give the money back to the owner."

Give the 3RW spot to fast sounds like a better plan than signing Cally for 6+ a year IMO

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

And the fact that Sather isn't under the gun is both a good and bad thing. Good because he doesn't need to make stupid trades that will help right now, but compromise the future. Bad because he can basically do whatever he wants (and he has) and there won't be any repercussions.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I just wanna know how it makes any sense at all to trade the captain in the middle of a playoff push. I guess I'm missing something.

Nothing personal, but this is exact thinkin is exactly why the Rangers are in a perennial "playoff push" vs being a locked in contender. Always about right now.

 

[NYR Sting]

No. You trade him. So now you have new assets and, in all likelihood, more cap space. Especially if you just get picks/prospects. I'd much rather throw $7M x 6 years at Vanek than give Callahan $6M x 6 years. There's also Stastny who would be a lovely replacement for a soon to be bought out Richards. Make no mistake, there are seldom any "deals" on the open market, but that money is significantly better off given to a guy that is more likely to remain healthy and proven to be a more consistent, better offensive force, rather than Callahan who is quite frankly the most overrated Ranger of all time.

So in a hypothetical scenario we could get a 1st, a prospect and Vanek/Stastny in exchange for Callahan.

Sometimes I forget why I come here, and then I see gems like this.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think the plan is to keep negotiating through the deadline tomorrow, and then issue some spin about how the market was too expensive for rentals, so they decided to keep Callahan as their own rental so they can continue to negotiate.

Assuming they don't sign him prior to that anyway.

Kicks the can down the road instead of making a tough business decision.

Sounds about right.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Well yeah, if the alternative is giving that a 6/6 deal to Ales Hemsky, then yeah, Callahan would look like a bargain. Haha

 

[Crease]

"Hey Jimmy, how's the hockey team doing."

"Good! Making money."

 

[stan the caddy]

Yeah, it's a real ****ing waste to have the flexibility available in a situation like this a year from now, when other players may be dealt. Let's make sure we never have any flexibility at all. Cause we all know the entire rest of the roster is locked in for the next four years at their contracts, and nobody else is going to have to get raises in the future years.

You realize giving Callahan 2 million more dollars doesn't cripple our ability to re-sign our youth right?

Not bringing Cally back opens up a ton of cap space that has to be used somewhere. And it ain't gonna be used to bring in some young player on a good contract, it will be used to overpay some late 20's player on a long term contract. That's how it works.

 

[haveandare]

Callahan's probably going to have a few good (likely not great) years, but he's going to break down sooner rather than later. He already has started

Unless he's just having a down year, or has been distracted by his contract looming, or some combination of both and the fact that two other RWs are playing pretty well.

HF builds these ideas on the basis of other tenuous ideas and it all spirals out of control. It's really not at all impossible that Callahan isn't breaking down, won't break down seriously soon, isn't losing his touch, isn't useless in this system, etc. This stuff gets repeated around here enough that it passes for fact, and then before you know it, it's just "obvious knowledge" that other "obvious knowledge" is supported by.

Am I worried when I see these numbers thrown around and Callahan's play so far this season? Yes.

Am I sure that this will be a huge problem and that he's definitely declining and this is just the beginning of the problems to come? No.

Some people here seem to think they can see the future. They can't.

 

[Brock Sampson]

At this point, I'd welcome Callahan for a conditional 7th rounder if it meant not re-signing him to that amount.

This is a disaster waiting to happen

*cringe* but.... kind of.