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Toews is also a PPG player.

Honestly, the closest comparable to Callahan is Mike Fisher production wise.

But imagine if Fisher played for the Rangers, with Carrie Underwood and assuming the MSG Propaganda machine hypes him up as a gritty leader, he'd command 8mil per in his prime.
 
Not sure if it's been mentioned and I'm at work so I can't read too much, but is there a chance that the Rangers wouldn't announce a deal because they don't want all the distractions during casino night? Although I'm sure something would leak somewhere... just a thought
 
stan the caddy said:
The most important ones, contracts that were given out recently. I showed you what players like Callahan are getting on the open market, you just refuse to accept reality.

You won't even admit that he'd get 6 on the open market. Then you accuse me of being dumb and immature.
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You showed us

Clowe: Already an albatross and at a lower cap hit then Cally. Significantly lower cap hit.

Clarkson: Alerady a MAJOR albatross, at a lower cap hit then cally, but about a full million.

Horton: A lower cap hit then Cally and a much better player.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Let me preface this by saying I, in no way shape or form, condone resigning Callahan on a 6 year deal.

But with that said, I can find SOME solace in overpaying a guy based on what hes done in a Rangers sweater.
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I can't. Why would you? This is a business and Callahan's contract would affect this team in a negative way. If this was baseball and there was no cap, I would agree with you that there would be some solace.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Let me preface this by saying I, in no way shape or form, condone resigning Callahan on a 6 year deal.

But with that said, I can find SOME solace in overpaying a guy based on what hes done in a Rangers sweater.
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But there's a difference between overpaying a guy for those reasons and crippling the salary cap....
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
This is sad.

You'll hate the current captain is he re-signs with his team, but you'll welcome a guy like Kesler with open arms. Sad.
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Kesler is better than Cally. His contract is much better than Cally's would be.

I don't think Stepan's the margin of difference between them but when we live in a world where there's a very real chance Cally gets signed to that deal maybe fair is foul and foul is fair
 
Mint said:
Toews is also a PPG player.

Honestly, the closest comparable to Callahan is Mike Fisher production wise.

But imagine if Fisher played for the Rangers, with Carrie Underwood and assuming the MSG Propaganda machine hypes him up as a gritty leader, he'd command 8mil per in his prime.
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I actually think Mike Fisher is a more talented player. And it's not that I dislike Callahan. Callahan is one of my favorites but ~6M for 6 years is going to go badly in my opinion.

That being said I still expect the Rangers to sign him to something around that.
 
Stepan should be traded for a good, young #1C, if at all. No trades for aging, broken down, shells, PLEASE.
 
AHB said:
You showed us

Clowe: Already an albatross and at a lower cap hit then Cally. Significantly lower cap hit.

Clarkson: Alerady a MAJOR albatross, at a lower cap hit then cally, but about a full million.

Horton: A lower cap hit then Cally and a much better player.

Astute work there Watson.
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Those are all the comparable players from last year.

This is typical in sports, the average fan will tell you that 90% of the big free agent signings were "overpaid". If you think almost everyone is overpaid, they're not actually overpaid, you just have a bad grasp on salaries.

Bickell got hot in the playoffs and walked away with 4 million. Free agents make a lot of money. Callahan can get a lot of money and that's why he's asking for a lot of money.

Horton is not a much better player, that's bs. You'd all be complaining about him right now is he was on the Rangers.
 
mti79 said:
But there's a difference between overpaying a guy for those reasons and crippling the salary cap....
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Trading Callahan is the right move.

But insinuating that retaining him will cripple the Rangers cap situation is pretty hyperbolic.

...especially when Sather will hand that and more to someone like Paul Stastny or whatever other flawed player hits the market.
 
GregSirico said:
Kesler is much better "hockey player" than Callahan and this is coming from one of Callahan's biggest fans.
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Are you even capable of looking into the future? Where both Kesler and Callahan will be problematic?

God damn it - this fanbase is now so sure they want to get rid of Callahan, but want to immediately fill the need with other flawed and/or broken down players. Its a disease.
 
The reason to blame for Callahan's outlandish demands is the media and the fans. They always overrated him.
 
Mint said:
The reason to blame for Callahan's outlandish demands is the media and the fans. They always overrated him.
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LOL.

And the Rangers, who cant build a roster, led the charge on that narrative...until it was time to pay him like the face of the franchise.
 
The reason to blame for Callahan's outrageous demands are the principles of the free market.

If he walks, some team WILL offer him $6.5 x 6-7.

Can't blame the man for asking for it. I blame the Rangers if they come close to giving it to him.
 
I agree with stan the caddy 100%.

You are all saying in 3-4 years this contract will cripple the cap situation.

Not true at all. By then, Cally-comparable players will be signing $6.5-7 million deals. And Callahan's deal will look great.

Again, if you're saying you don't want to pay him - that's one thing - but saying he isn't worth $6M is incorrect - because that is what he will get paid.

If you feel like that $6M can be better spent, again, that's a different argument than saying he isn't worth $6M.

I'm not for signing him, or anything, I'm just saying the blatant bashing of Callahan is ridiculous. Let him apologize for asking for a salary that he will get paid. What a bad guy.
 
Horton isn't a better player, OK.

I understand overpaying for UFA's is a common occurence, but because other teams do it we should?

The devils were desperate. Toronto wanted Clarkson eons prior to him hitting FA. HOrton got a fair deal.

I LOVE how fans just assume the cap is going up over the next 5 years. Next year, yea, 5 years, not necessarily so. Stop assuming.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
The reason to blame for Callahan's outrageous demands are the principles of the free market.

If he walks, some team WILL offer him $6.5 x 6-7.

Can't blame the man for asking for it. I blame the Rangers if they come close to giving it to him.
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Cap makes it un-free, but the point is the same.

The number of teams with a lot of cap space is high, the availability of top 6 players is low. Ergo, players who hit the market will get paid, big time. It doesn't matter, though, because Callahan is worth 6 million to another team does not mean he should be worth that to outs.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
Can't blame the man for asking for it. I blame the Rangers if they come close to giving it to him.
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This. A thousand times this.

If I was offered a job that came with a 50% raise, I'd be out the door tomorrow. He has the right to do the same. Sather has the right to wish him luck (or not).
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
I agree with stan the caddy 100%.

You are all saying in 3-4 years this contract will cripple the cap situation.

Not true at all. By then, Cally-comparable players will be signing $6.5-7 million deals. And Callahan's deal will look great.

Again, if you're saying you don't want to pay him - that's one thing - but saying he isn't worth $6M is incorrect - because that is what he will get paid.

If you feel like that $6M can be better spent, again, that's a different argument than saying he isn't worth $6M.

I'm not for signing him, or anything, I'm just saying the blatant bashing of Callahan is ridiculous. Let him apologize for asking for a salary that he will get paid. What a bad guy.
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That assumes Cally gets back to a level of play from a few years ago. If he deteriorates into a 10 goal 35 point guy, he's certainly not going to be worth 6.5 to 7 mil no matter how much the cap realistically goes up.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
LOL.

And the Rangers, who cant build a roster, led the charge on that narrative...until it was time to pay him like the face of the franchise.
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The Rangers organization as well hyped him up, I agree.

That's what happens when you go out advertising a 3rd line grinder as the next Messiah. Can't have your own cake and eat it.
 
I think nyr fans get pissed at contracts cause Sather has overpaid so much everyone is in paranoia . If Cally diesnt go to 6 he will be dealt. Total confidence in that and not shocked they offered 6 per as their max
 
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