Toggle sidebar

Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXVIII: All the #1C's!

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
Dagoon44 said:
TRXJW
does having a guy that can fight hurt a team? DC and DD are midgets and can't win a fight if life depended on it. Having a guy who can throw is great boost for smaller players. Guess Hawks , Bruins , and 85% of the league are wrong by having them guys..
Click to expand...

Who on the Hawks or Bruins is a goon? Thornton? That guy can play. He's not a comparable for McClaren, at all.

Regardless, the problem with this team hasn't been their 3rd and 4th lines. In fact, those have been the two brightest spots this season, in my opinion, outside of individual achievements.

Guys who can fight and play, sign me up, ala Lucic and hopefully, McIlrath, in the near future.

Guys like Orr and McClaren, those days are over. Hence the reason Toronto, a team fighting for a spot, put him on waivers
 
MortUWary said:
I have a strange feeling that Cally ends up on the Ducks and re-signs there. Many Ducks fans state that their front office is loathe to surrender prospects for UFAs, so with Selanne retiring and some cap room in 2014-15 could it happen? With the Rangers having prior conversations with the Ducks during the Girardi negotiation, would Vatanen and one of DSP/Etem/Palmieri/Silfverberg be a realistic return as long as they have a window to re-sign him? Would they even give him 6/7 years for 6.5 or 7?!? Hmmmmm. Doesn't make as much sense when I write that out now, but this IS the trade thread and there have been worse ideas posted here...

Vatanen along with Girardi and Klein would make Stralman expendable for another asset if they're not going to re-sign him. Food for thought.
Click to expand...

I'd love Vatanen but I'd be surprised if we get that kind of return. I think the Sharks are the best fit. They have a bad, broken down hockey player in Havlat getting paid like a first liner into 2015. If we take him on and give them Callahan for the playoffs we should get some nice assets.
 
Dagoon44 said:
TRXJW
does having a guy that can fight hurt a team? DC and DD are midgets and can't win a fight if life depended on it. Having a guy who can throw is great boost for smaller players. Guess Hawks , Bruins , and 85% of the league are wrong by having them guys..
Click to expand...

Does it hurt the team? No, but I don't think anyone (including myself) is saying that guys who fight are a bad thing. I'm simply saying that is it really going to solve the lack of "size and snarl" if the guy is just sitting at the end of the bench all game, or is sitting in the stands watching it?

Nobody here would balk at the idea of a guy who could throw down with heavy weights as long as he still brings something to the table other than that. The guys on the Boston roster are guys who can play hockey, but still fight. The Hawks have guys who can play, but can fight as well. McClaren is a guy who can fight, and sort of play hockey once in a while. There's a very big difference there that you often seem to ignore. Having guys whose secondary talent is playing hockey is a waste of a roster spot.

DD and DC might be ****** fighters, but they're far, far better hockey players than McClaren could ever dream of being.
 
Is there zero chance Cally resigns with the Rangers....I want him traded for a much needed scorer/finisher, but I'm worried that Sather will over pay just to keep him.
 
BrianBoyle said:
Hawks have Bollig but he's a solid fourth liner regardless of his fighting.
Click to expand...

Yea, agree, but those guys are of a different ilk.

The Bolligs and Lucic/Thorntons, etc, are significantly different then a Rocky on skates like McClaren or John Scott.
 
Revelation said:
I couldn't find who in the Rangers FO wanted McDonagh included, but I did find this bit of hilarity...



http://www2.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/sports/story.html?id=9142d176-a576-412a-8a14-d398f2db009e

:laugh:
Click to expand...

Anyone who thinks Sather is some sort of brilliant genius because of the Gomez/McDonagh trade is a gullible fool in my book.

Gainey was desperate for a center. The pressure in MTL was building. Sather had the good fortune to be on the receiving end of one of the worst moves in NHL history.

Only Mike Milbury has done a worse job running a team in this league. Glen Sather has been managing a team uninterrupted for 22 years now and has 1 conference finals appearance to show for it. Defending Sather is lunacy. Even this Callahan situation is all on Sather; he could have signed him to much better contract the last time around that would have taken Callahan through his prime.

Glen Sather is the worst thing that ever happened to the New York Rangers. Except maybe Jim Dolan.
 
************* ‏@************* 31s
#Rangers Callahan a name out of NYR we've been hearing linked to a lot of trade talk but Derek Stepan getting a TON of interest too #NSS



Reliable?
 
MortUWary said:
I have a strange feeling that Cally ends up on the Ducks and re-signs there. Many Ducks fans state that their front office is loathe to surrender prospects for UFAs, so with Selanne retiring and some cap room in 2014-15 could it happen? With the Rangers having prior conversations with the Ducks during the Girardi negotiation, would Vatanen and one of DSP/Etem/Palmieri/Silfverberg be a realistic return as long as they have a window to re-sign him? Would they even give him 6/7 years for 6.5 or 7?!? Hmmmmm. Doesn't make as much sense when I write that out now, but this IS the trade thread and there have been worse ideas posted here...

Vatanen along with Girardi and Klein would make Stralman expendable for another asset if they're not going to re-sign him. Food for thought.
Click to expand...

I don't see what use the Ducks would have for Callahan this season, let alone moving forward. Those guys you listed as a return for Callahan are players who could certainly fill in for Selanne next year, and I think that's their plan.
 
Mats Zuccarelli said:
************* ‏@************* 31s
#Rangers Callahan a name out of NYR we've been hearing linked to a lot of trade talk but Derek Stepan getting a TON of interest too #NSS



Reliable?
Click to expand...


^^^ I'm guessing not because they blocked out the name of the source

Can any of the mods give me the ok to post the source? They have 19,000 followers on Twitter and is followed by Jim Cerny, Andrew Gross and Nick Cotsonika, for what it's worth.
 
NYGBleedBlueNYR said:
No one is sure Sather has ANY plan whatsoever.

That's the basis of the argument.

They CLEARLY have a plan.
Click to expand...

So, the team that couldn't get anything done for an insanely long time, and as of now has done absolutely nothing but hoard early picks has a "clear" team building plan? I guess I define "plan" different than most people. Plan means you know what type of team you want to be, you know what coach is right for that, you know what players are right for that, and you bring the pieces together.

Having a bunch of picks is just having a bunch of picks. It's exciting, especially around here where success 10 years from now is more attractive than success today, and a player with a 10% chance of making the NHL is more exciting than the guy who is already there, but it's really not a plan.
 
Trxjw said:
I don't see what use the Ducks would have for Callahan this season, let alone moving forward. Those guys you listed as a return for Callahan are players who could certainly fill in for Selanne next year, and I think that's their plan.
Click to expand...

Fair point, but if they think they're a Callahan away from a lengthy Cup run... Wishful thinking, I know. Just trying to rationalize it.
 
BrianBoyle said:
Hawks have Bollig but he's a solid fourth liner regardless of his fighting.
Click to expand...
Right. That's the type of player they need to make the effort to find and develop. Late bloomer, thought he's been a excellent 4th liner this year. Fought everybody 2 years ago to try and stick, and now is a is a player not just an enforcer. With a new 3 year deal to boot.
 
BrianBoyle said:
Hawks have Bollig but he's a solid fourth liner regardless of his fighting.
Click to expand...

And this is where Sather fails over and over again. I am all for toughness, so long as it is coming from players who can actually play hockey as well.
 
NYR2047 said:
:laugh:

Like scoring goals is what wins you games and toughness doesn't
Click to expand...

size creates open ice. Smaller players have more room when players with size create room.. Yes that means more goals..
 
Last edited by a moderator:
E-Train said:
It's sad that Charles Dolan becoming a cable television pioneer 50 years ago has indirectly doomed the Rangers to perpetual mediocrity.
Click to expand...

haha, the Rangers were mired in perpetual mediocrity well before the Dolans owned the team. Remember the Gulf + Western days? Yikes.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom