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I Am Classless said:
Callahan's nowhere near our third best forward, man. I get that you want to provide a counterbalance to people undervaluing him, but he's our third best American forward.
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Again, if you take contract and upside into account, I agree.

Kreider, particularly, has been a big disappointment the last couple months and gets a pass because hes not looking for big money yet.
 
I liked that idea that someone mentioned before that maybe the news of a contract agreement being reached is a way to milk a contending GM for ponying up an extra asset for Cally.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
I think everybody including myself has been looking at this Callahan situation wrong. Here me out here people!

I don't think the Rangers want him back. This is my logic. The Rangers haven't given in to his demands. They have moved the offer up JUST enough to say "hey we offered him a lot to stay and he didn't accept".

The Rangers have allowed other teams to talk to his agent. Ensuring that Callahan WILL KNOW 100% what is waiting for him. What does that do? That makes Callahan and his agent aware that on July 5th he can sign a contract for his demands and not give in.

The Rangers have no problem offering Callahan around but they aren't going to give him away. I think (and I'm usually wrong so whatever) the Rangers DO see Callahan as a rental. I think they know it's over after this season BUT with the team playing well (the last two games aside) they can't trade him for the proverbial 2nd line NHL player and prospect or pick. So they ride the situation out, hoping that a situation like MSL falls into their laps. If it doesn't they keep him for the rest of the year.

Now, would I sign Callahan to a 6 year 6M contract? Probably, AND it is an overpayment but not by much CONSIDERING how many posters say they are comfortable with paying him 5 years 5M. That's an extra year and and extra million bucks. That's a little under what the Rangers are paying Justin Falk! Giving Callahan a raise over $1.8M is not going to stop the team from improving. It's just not, but whatever that's not my point. My point is I expect the Rangers to keep Callahan, he'll remain unsigned. I don't think a team is offering what the Rangers want in return. I don't think a team is offering a top prospect....etc. I don't think the Rangers want a Clowe like deal for Callahan because they don't think the trade off of a possible playoff run with Callahan is worth the draft picks.


Now, for the past few days I've seen posters say the Rangers are going to have a trouble developing a top line center. They can't trade for one and most of them never end up hitting unrestricted free agency. Those posters are correct......The thing is I can see the Rangers offer sheeting somebody. It's not like it's a crazy notion to bring up. The league went from almost NO offer sheet for 15 years to two in the past two years. It's going to become more common.....An offer sheet for the right player in the right situation is worth every dollar and draft pick compensation.
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Confortable with or at least willing to give him that -as an overpayment-

5x5 is already overpayment. 6x6 is ludicrous
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
If youre going to add footnotes and projections to the analysis, it changes things.

My point was its stupid to call Callahan a 3rd liner just because hes the 3rd best RW on a team, right now, that very well may have its 3 best players all playing RW.
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I didn't call him a third liner...other people have, i haven't. He's a second liner. A decent one on the decline.

YOu point our Kreider's slump, how about Callahans whopping 5 goals in his last nearly 40 games? Is that not a slump. Why does he get a pass?

As it currently stands I would rank ABOVE HIM RIGHT NOW, as based on play this season:

Kreider
Hagelin
Nash
Richards
Brassard
Zucc

Not Stepan, but overall he is more valuable and going to be a better player.

Kreider doesn't get a pass, but at least he showed up for some of this season. Something Callahan hasn't done often at all.
 
Also, maybe they're waiting for Cally to enjoy his last Casino Night before shipping him off somewhere. :sarcasm:
 
nyrangers1472 said:
I liked that idea that someone mentioned before that maybe the news of a contract agreement being reached is a way to milk a contending GM for ponying up an extra asset for Cally.
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Me to. Feel like Callys contract demands leaking really hurt his trade value and turned him into a pure rental instead of more long term fix.
 
cally for any amount over any number years is bad for this organization. period.

it isnt about what hes paid for how long, its about his production relative to that contract and what we could do with what we get back and that cap space.

if hes resigned, we are right back to where we are.

11-12 mil for the next 6 years tied up in a one dimensional dan girardi and a one dimensional ryan callaham would be awful.

intangibles dont have that kind of value on this team.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
I think everybody including myself has been looking at this Callahan situation wrong. Here me out here people!

I don't think the Rangers want him back. This is my logic. The Rangers haven't given in to his demands. They have moved the offer up JUST enough to say "hey we offered him a lot to stay and he didn't accept".

The Rangers have allowed other teams to talk to his agent. Ensuring that Callahan WILL KNOW 100% what is waiting for him. What does that do? That makes Callahan and his agent aware that on July 5th he can sign a contract for his demands and not give in.

The Rangers have no problem offering Callahan around but they aren't going to give him away. I think (and I'm usually wrong so whatever) the Rangers DO see Callahan as a rental. I think they know it's over after this season BUT with the team playing well (the last two games aside) they can't trade him for the proverbial 2nd line NHL player and prospect or pick. So they ride the situation out, hoping that a situation like MSL falls into their laps. If it doesn't they keep him for the rest of the year.

Now, would I sign Callahan to a 6 year 6M contract? Probably, AND it is an overpayment but not by much CONSIDERING how many posters say they are comfortable with paying him 5 years 5M. That's an extra year and and extra million bucks. That's a little under what the Rangers are paying Justin Falk! Giving Callahan a raise over $1.8M is not going to stop the team from improving. It's just not, but whatever that's not my point. My point is I expect the Rangers to keep Callahan, he'll remain unsigned. I don't think a team is offering what the Rangers want in return. I don't think a team is offering a top prospect....etc. I don't think the Rangers want a Clowe like deal for Callahan because they don't think the trade off of a possible playoff run with Callahan is worth the draft picks.


Now, for the past few days I've seen posters say the Rangers are going to have a trouble developing a top line center. They can't trade for one and most of them never end up hitting unrestricted free agency. Those posters are correct......The thing is I can see the Rangers offer sheeting somebody. It's not like it's a crazy notion to bring up. The league went from almost NO offer sheet for 15 years to two in the past two years. It's going to become more common.....An offer sheet for the right player in the right situation is worth every dollar and draft pick compensation.
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If the Rangers sign him to a six year deal, they may as well trade Jesper Fast. Where will he play with Callahan and Nash being locked up for the long term, and Zucc likely going to be?
 
Renaud Lavoie ‏@LavoieRenaud 6m
Waivers: Kobasew, Chuck
PIT
Dubnyk, Devan
NSH
McLaren, Frazer
TOR
Larsen, Philip
EDM


Any interest in any of these?
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
I don't think the Rangers want him back.
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They offered him a contract. So they do want him back - more badly than we do, apparently, since the majority of our board wouldn't touch the offer they made him.

mcsauer2738 said:
I really wanna just trade Nash. The guy is so overrated.
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He's also the only guy on our roster than is a threat to score at any given moment. This has been a rough season for him. Stepan isn't springing him free as much as he did last year either. I think going forward his production will be a little more consistent. When he's "On" he flat out dominates and takes over. You have to pay a premium for that.
 
Lol get a guy who can barely play in McClaren and trade our 4th line center who has helped to stabilize the best bottom 6 we've had in years.

BRILLIANT!
 
What's this thing about signing Callahan? Sather is seriously considering giving Callahan anything close to what he wants?
 
mcsauer2738 said:
I really wanna just trade Nash. The guy is so overrated.
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He's playing with a 2nd liner and an invisible center this season on his line.. and he's going to still be around 25 goals despite missing 18 games, I really don't understand what people want from the guy.. Gaborik all over again.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
I think everybody including myself has been looking at this Callahan situation wrong. Here me out here people!

I don't think the Rangers want him back. This is my logic. The Rangers haven't given in to his demands. They have moved the offer up JUST enough to say "hey we offered him a lot to stay and he didn't accept".

The Rangers have allowed other teams to talk to his agent. Ensuring that Callahan WILL KNOW 100% what is waiting for him. What does that do? That makes Callahan and his agent aware that on July 5th he can sign a contract for his demands and not give in.

The Rangers have no problem offering Callahan around but they aren't going to give him away. I think (and I'm usually wrong so whatever) the Rangers DO see Callahan as a rental. I think they know it's over after this season BUT with the team playing well (the last two games aside) they can't trade him for the proverbial 2nd line NHL player and prospect or pick. So they ride the situation out, hoping that a situation like MSL falls into their laps. If it doesn't they keep him for the rest of the year.

Now, would I sign Callahan to a 6 year 6M contract? Probably, AND it is an overpayment but not by much CONSIDERING how many posters say they are comfortable with paying him 5 years 5M. That's an extra year and and extra million bucks. That's a little under what the Rangers are paying Justin Falk! Giving Callahan a raise over $1.8M is not going to stop the team from improving. It's just not, but whatever that's not my point. My point is I expect the Rangers to keep Callahan, he'll remain unsigned. I don't think a team is offering what the Rangers want in return. I don't think a team is offering a top prospect....etc. I don't think the Rangers want a Clowe like deal for Callahan because they don't think the trade off of a possible playoff run with Callahan is worth the draft picks.


Now, for the past few days I've seen posters say the Rangers are going to have a trouble developing a top line center. They can't trade for one and most of them never end up hitting unrestricted free agency. Those posters are correct......The thing is I can see the Rangers offer sheeting somebody. It's not like it's a crazy notion to bring up. The league went from almost NO offer sheet for 15 years to two in the past two years. It's going to become more common.....An offer sheet for the right player in the right situation is worth every dollar and draft pick compensation.
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Interesting thought. What makes this situation with Callahan interesting is it seems there are almost two markets:

1) What teams would trade for Callahan and if those offers enough for Sather to deal him

2) What Sather perceives Callahan's value for the rest of the season and playoff run vs just "getting something."

The offer sheet route is also interesting. With a player like McDonagh locked up, what potential RFA would the Rangers really have to be worried about as far as a "retribution" move? Stepan? Kreider?
 
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