Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXVIII: All the #1C's!
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No, it's still to much.
I'd be content with 5 over 5. But still not happy.
He's not worth this type of allocation for how he will perform in the coming years.
It is in our absolute best interests to trade him.
Tawnos
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Sather will treat all of those guys the same way he's treated Callahan. Kreider and Miller will be on their 2nd contracts and get 4-5% of the cap, unless Kreider signs a McDonagh length deal.
Zuccarello, Stepan and Hagelin will get deals that bring them into UFA. If they're as valuable as Cally was then, 6-7%.
Staal will either sign a deal or get dealt.
pld459666
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Would I look at him like a hero?
No, because 5.8 is to much for a 3rd liner.
He may have posted numbers that would better identify with a 2nd line player, but on THIS team playing behind Nash and Zuccs, Callahan IS a 3rd liner.
I have a hard enough time giving Callahan 5 years. The most I would want to give him in terms of $$ is 5per maybe 5.25, but that's it.
I would rather let him walk for nothing then give him 6 years at 5.5 or better.
No thanks.
We have a lot more flexibility with Callahan gone.
Also, those contracts that bring Zucc, Steps and Hags to FA, will all be negotatied during this 6 year Callahan tenure.
I know a lot of you are so sold on the cap going up and in all likelihood, it will, but you can never be sure. Signing him with the assumption that the cap will go up and his allocation will inherently decrease is playing with fire.
Tawnos
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Beer League Sniper
Homeless Man's Rick Nash
It's a number of things. This team has traded away 25% of it's draft picks the past 4 years. Some of them were late rounders, some high rounders, but 25% is a huge chunk no matter how you slice it. The teams with strong prospect pipelines and high-end talent waiting in the wings are the teams that have kept their picks. Our scouting staff has been trying to get NHLers out of every draft, which is what you have to do if you're short on picks. You can't afford to gamble when you have so few picks. People are ready to throw our scouting staff under the bus because we haven't drafted a stud offensive diva, but are they really the ones to blame? I don't know, but it would be nice to have a few extra chances to see if we can get a steal in the mid-late rounds.
Lets assume Zucc, Hags and Stepan all perform as they have over the next X years.
They come to UFA during Callahan, what do they each get.
Zucc will easily get 6 mil if Cally does.
Stepan, same, possibly more.
Hags, maybe 4-5 million.
How are we signing these guys with Callahan, Hank and Nash all under contract.
15-16 its going up, that's a fact, but how about the year after, and after, and after, those are not sure fire bets.
pld459666
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general question.
Can someone list all of the "great things" that Callahan has done for the very mediocre New York Rangers.
A team that has been nothing more than mediocre since he made his season debut, and remains very mediocre today.
Can someone list all of the "great things" that Callahan has done for the very mediocre New York Rangers.
A team that has been nothing more than mediocre since he made his season debut, and remains very mediocre today.
Nash is this teams #1 RW
Zucc is this teams #2 RW
Callahan, is, for better of worse, the #3 RW on this team. And there is no real way around that. So it comes down two do we want to make Callahan the highest paid 3rd line wing in hockey?
Zucc is this teams #2 RW
Callahan, is, for better of worse, the #3 RW on this team. And there is no real way around that. So it comes down two do we want to make Callahan the highest paid 3rd line wing in hockey?
He was a good jack of all trades 2nd liner in the regular season for about a 2, maybe 3 year window. He's not that anymore. He's not good at anything he used to be good at.
He's not worth the contract we're offering, but lets not diminish how good and classy a Ranger this guy has been.
DudMan28
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I think we've reached the point where the NHL talent this team does produce borders on redundancy.
You want to make a point about how they haven't been able to draft/develop elite-level offensive talent? Fine. Thats a legitimately tough thing to do.
But what about not being able to produce 3rd/4th liners? Is every forward they develop going to be a 2nd line tweener type?
Yet, hes still a top 5-6 forward on this team.
So, that point is less about how the position Callahan plays and more about what a cluster**** roster Sather churns out there year after year.
GoAwayGiannone
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In terms of the last decade of mediocrity, the reason is pretty simple: Henrik Lundqvist.
The team constructed in the summer of 2005 was one to be a roster with a true rebuild in mind. It was full of veterans on last-deal contracts, castoffs, low-tier rookies, and a questionable starting goaltender.
Then Henrik Lundqvist shows up, blows the doors off the place, and the Ranger Brass has spent the last several years trying to scramble and put contending team together much faster than they thought they had to.
If we are picking just 5-10 spots lower from 2006-2010, thats the difference between Little and Sangunetti. Shatenkirk and Cherepanov. Karlsson and Delzotto. Rundblad and Kreider. Skinner and McI.
With the new reports (snyrangersblog) it seems cally is starting to crack...maybe by tomorrow he'll drop to what Sather wants
There's another side effect to bringing in the Nashes and the Richards. It is, we will never reach rock bottom, which wouldn't be the worst thing. They are just good enough to keep us in playoff contention.
Another is, our own player development is pushed back further. It takes longer to evaluate our own guys when they constantly contend for ice time with the latest high profile UFA/Trade. Take a team like Florida. They get to see if a J.T. Miller is the real deal a lot sooner than we get to.
The Rangers want to build their core of elite guys from outside. This simply will not work. Free agents are meant to supplement our team, not define it.
$8.5M for Lundqvist
$7.8M for Nash
$6M+ for Callahan
$5.5M for Girardi
$4.7M for McDonagh
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$32.5M+ in 5 players
Add $14.4M for Staal,Stepan,Klein,Hagelin,Dorsett and Talbot
$47M in 11 players
$10M for Zuccarello,Brassard and Kreider. All arb eligible.
$57M for 14 players
John Moore needs a contract. $1.5M-$2M.
Forget about the $6,666,667 for Richards. Financial suicide.
Need one more D to make it 6. Really need 2 to give 7. Need another 5 forwards.
No improvements
Look for more Filene's Basement bargains like Pouliot to fill out the roster. They aren't winning with players like him.
$7.8M for Nash
$6M+ for Callahan
$5.5M for Girardi
$4.7M for McDonagh
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$32.5M+ in 5 players
Add $14.4M for Staal,Stepan,Klein,Hagelin,Dorsett and Talbot
$47M in 11 players
$10M for Zuccarello,Brassard and Kreider. All arb eligible.
$57M for 14 players
John Moore needs a contract. $1.5M-$2M.
Forget about the $6,666,667 for Richards. Financial suicide.
Need one more D to make it 6. Really need 2 to give 7. Need another 5 forwards.
No improvements
Look for more Filene's Basement bargains like Pouliot to fill out the roster. They aren't winning with players like him.
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