Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXVIII: All the #1C's!

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

In terms of the last decade of mediocrity, the reason is pretty simple: Henrik Lundqvist.


The team constructed in the summer of 2005 was one to be a roster with a true rebuild in mind. It was full of veterans on last-deal contracts, castoffs, low-tier rookies, and a questionable starting goaltender.

Then Henrik Lundqvist shows up, blows the doors off the place, and the Ranger Brass has spent the last several years trying to scramble and put contending team together much faster than they thought they had to.

If we are picking just 5-10 spots lower from 2006-2010, thats the difference between Little and Sangunetti. Shatenkirk and Cherepanov. Karlsson and Delzotto. Rundblad and Kreider. Skinner and McI.

Agree with this.

That was 8 years ago. The team is still scrambling to build a contender in the name of Lundqvist's career.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

With the new reports (snyrangersblog) it seems cally is starting to crack...maybe by tomorrow he'll drop to what Sather wants

Supposedly he came down to that level pre-olympics, so it doesn't make anything imminent.

 

[AHB*]

Yet, hes still a top 5-6 forward on this team.

So, that point is less about how the position Callahan plays and more about what a cluster**** roster Sather churns out there year after year.

That's arguable, for sure.

Nash
Kreider
Stepan
Richards
Zucc
Brassard
Hagelin

Those first 5 aren't arguable. The last two are, but I think for this team as constructed, they are more important than Cally.

 

[jskramer83]

I think we've reached the point where the NHL talent this team does produce borders on redundancy.

You want to make a point about how they haven't been able to draft/develop elite-level offensive talent? Fine. Thats a legitimately tough thing to do.

But what about not being able to produce 3rd/4th liners? Is every forward they develop going to be a 2nd line tweener type?

When has this team been able to produce top offensive talent through the draft? Hell even our 94 cup team, was a production of Edmonton giving us there team as a result of us trading away our young talent.

 

[Ail]

Agree with this.

That was 8 years ago. The team is still scrambling to build a contender in the name of Lundqvist's career.

Which it's hard to blame them for now, but when he broke in to the league they should have had the foresight to rebuild around him rather than retool and hope they could plug holes with FA putty.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

To bad we can't make a package unit and trade brass cally+ to Edmonton for RNH.or Hall

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

That's arguable, for sure.

Nash
Kreider
Stepan
Richards
Zucc
Brassard
Hagelin

Those first 5 aren't arguable. The last two are, but I think for this team as constructed, they are more important than Cally.

I think its very arguable that Kreider, Stepan, and Richards are better overall players than Callahan.

 

[Bluenote13]

Cally will sign some cap friendly deal instead of the ridiculous one he could get elsewhere.

Then watch Sather use 2014 draft picks as trade bait at the deadline. He has to add another scorer and without a doubt more muscle, but I don't know if they go all Clowe again after last year

 

[Hire Sather]

Theres nothing cap friendly about 6M for 6Y. Which he won't even sign, so it probably ends up 6.2 for 6Y. Either way, looks like its gunna get done. Damn shame.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Cally will sign some cap friendly deal instead of the ridiculous one he could get elsewhere.

Then watch Sather use 2014 draft picks as trade bait at the deadline. He has to add another scorer and without a doubt more muscle, but I don't know if they go all Clowe again after last year

This team sure could use a Clowe (in his prime) type player.

Dreading the Rangers handing over assets to get the broken-down version (again).

 

[AHB*]

I think its very arguable that Kreider, Stepan, and Richards are better overall players than Callahan.

Better overall, maybe not, more important forwards for this team as constructed, certainly.

Stepan and Kreider are also coming into their primes, not leaving them. They will be better then him shortly, if not already.

 

[jskramer83]

This team sure could use a Clowe (in his prime) type player.

Dreading the Rangers handing over assets to get the broken-down version (again).

You mean a guy like Chris Stewart?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You mean a guy like Chris Stewart?

Looks like a much better return for Callahan now than it did not even a week ago, huh?

 

[Ail]

You mean a guy like Chris Stewart?

Thankfully that is highly unlikely at this point.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

This team sure could use a Clowe (in his prime) type player.

Dreading the Rangers handing over assets to get the broken-down version (again).

I wish we were the ones accumulating assets at the deadline for once. The drop off from Callahan to Miller/Fast is not a large one. Take a 1st and good prospect and run. We can still compete without Callahan.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Better overall, maybe not, more important forwards for this team as constructed, certainly.

Stepan and Kreider are also coming into their primes, not leaving them. They will be better then him shortly, if not already.

If youre going to add footnotes and projections to the analysis, it changes things.

My point was its stupid to call Callahan a 3rd liner just because hes the 3rd best RW on a team, right now, that very well may have its 3 best players all playing RW.

 

[Vitto79]

also funny how this board will cheer with excitement if Cally is dealt. Crazy yr man

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

I think everybody including myself has been looking at this Callahan situation wrong. Here me out here people!

I don't think the Rangers want him back. This is my logic. The Rangers haven't given in to his demands. They have moved the offer up JUST enough to say "hey we offered him a lot to stay and he didn't accept".

The Rangers have allowed other teams to talk to his agent. Ensuring that Callahan WILL KNOW 100% what is waiting for him. What does that do? That makes Callahan and his agent aware that on July 5th he can sign a contract for his demands and not give in.

The Rangers have no problem offering Callahan around but they aren't going to give him away. I think (and I'm usually wrong so whatever) the Rangers DO see Callahan as a rental. I think they know it's over after this season BUT with the team playing well (the last two games aside) they can't trade him for the proverbial 2nd line NHL player and prospect or pick. So they ride the situation out, hoping that a situation like MSL falls into their laps. If it doesn't they keep him for the rest of the year.

Now, would I sign Callahan to a 6 year 6M contract? Probably, AND it is an overpayment but not by much CONSIDERING how many posters say they are comfortable with paying him 5 years 5M. That's an extra year and and extra million bucks. That's a little under what the Rangers are paying Justin Falk! Giving Callahan a raise over $1.8M is not going to stop the team from improving. It's just not, but whatever that's not my point. My point is I expect the Rangers to keep Callahan, he'll remain unsigned. I don't think a team is offering what the Rangers want in return. I don't think a team is offering a top prospect....etc. I don't think the Rangers want a Clowe like deal for Callahan because they don't think the trade off of a possible playoff run with Callahan is worth the draft picks.


Now, for the past few days I've seen posters say the Rangers are going to have a trouble developing a top line center. They can't trade for one and most of them never end up hitting unrestricted free agency. Those posters are correct......The thing is I can see the Rangers offer sheeting somebody. It's not like it's a crazy notion to bring up. The league went from almost NO offer sheet for 15 years to two in the past two years. It's going to become more common.....An offer sheet for the right player in the right situation is worth every dollar and draft pick compensation.

 

[Hitch16]

I wish we were the ones accumulating assets at the deadline for once. The drop off from Callahan to Miller/Fast is not a large one. Take a 1st and good prospect and run. We can still compete without Callahan.

Revelation - I agree. However, who on the roster would net the Rangers a 1st round pick? I'm not a GM nor am I privy to the inside but I would be elated if Callahan would come for a 2nd. If he gets the Rangers a first, that would be tremendous.

 

[goobcat]

if this deal gets signed good luck getting a cup in the time span of the contract

 

[SnowblindNYR]

To bad we can't make a package unit and trade brass cally+ to Edmonton for RNH.or Hall

Do you read what you're writing? Why don't people think before making trade proposals?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think everybody including myself has been looking at this Callahan situation wrong. Here me out here people!

I don't think the Rangers want him back. This is my logic. The Rangers haven't given in to his demands. They have moved the offer up JUST enough to say "hey we offered him a lot to stay and he didn't accept".

The Rangers have allowed other teams to talk to his agent. Ensuring that Callahan WILL KNOW 100% what is waiting for him. What does that do? That makes Callahan and his agent aware that on July 5th he can sign a contract for his demands and not give in.

The Rangers have no problem offering Callahan around but they aren't going to give him away. I think (and I'm usually wrong so whatever) the Rangers DO see Callahan as a rental. I think they know it's over after this season BUT with the team playing well (the last two games aside) they can't trade him for the proverbial 2nd line NHL player and prospect or pick. So they ride the situation out, hoping that a situation like MSL falls into their laps. If it doesn't they keep him for the rest of the year.

Now, would I sign Callahan to a 6 year 6M contract? Probably, AND it is an overpayment but not by much CONSIDERING how many posters say they are comfortable with paying him 5 years 5M. That's an extra year and and extra million bucks. That's a little under what the Rangers are paying Justin Falk! Giving Callahan a raise over $1.8M is not going to stop the team from improving. It's just not, but whatever that's not my point. My point is I expect the Rangers to keep Callahan, he'll remain unsigned. I don't think a team is offering what the Rangers want in return. I don't think a team is offering a top prospect....etc. I don't think the Rangers want a Clowe like deal for Callahan because they don't think the trade off of a possible playoff run with Callahan is worth the draft picks.


Now, for the past few days I've seen posters say the Rangers are going to have a trouble developing a top line center. They can't trade for one and most of them never end up hitting unrestricted free agency. Those posters are correct......The thing is I can see the Rangers offer sheeting somebody. It's not like it's a crazy notion to bring up. The league went from almost NO offer sheet for 15 years to two in the past two years. It's going to become more common.....An offer sheet for the right player in the right situation is worth every dollar and draft pick compensation.

An offer sheet would be a new and interesting way to go.

But, like a fart in church, I feel like that tactic is frowned upon around the league. However, in two words, who cares?

 

[McRanger]

I think its very arguable that Kreider, Stepan, and Richards are better overall players than Callahan.

They have been this season.

And I haven't been impressed with Stepan at all.

 

[offdacrossbar]

im worried.

i agree. the market for cally isnt that strong. girardi actually had more value. 2 edge sword. cally market not strong actually forces him back to us. thats um... bad.

sadly, i see cally agreeing to a "hometown discount" looking like a "true captain" willing to take less to help his team and then the media will melt. the msg spin machine will go full on love affair and we will be told this team is now "poised for a serious run".

with girardi and cally back in the fold, were gonna be told everything is back to normal and no more "distactions".

we all know this isnt true.

this team cannot score and lately, cant really defend. and worst of all, since sochi, hanks looked very pedestrian.

if this happens, i will puke.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

If youre going to add footnotes and projections to the analysis, it changes things.

My point was its stupid to call Callahan a 3rd liner just because hes the 3rd best RW on a team, right now, that very well may have its 3 best players all playing RW.

Callahan's nowhere near our third best forward, man. I get that you want to provide a counterbalance to people undervaluing him, but he's our third best American forward.

Please trade him. Take Marty Havlat and whatever they'll give you as a thank you for taking Marty Havlat. Take a bag of pucks if you don't pay it $40 million dollars.