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Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXVIII: All the #1C's!

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AHB said:
Just to note, at a 6 million cap hit, Callahan would be in the top 30 contracts for forwards, in line with others such as

Daniel & Henrik Sedin
Patrick Kane
Henrik Zetterberg
Taylor Hall
Jonathan Toews

And more then

Patrick Sharp
Martin St. Louis
Daniel Alfredsson

I could go on, but it will make me depressed.
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If that doesn't say it all...
 
Callahan plays 3rd line RW, PKs, and is good for 40-50p. Those players get $4M and 4ish year term. Tack on an extra year and an extra million for intangibles and captaincy, and you still only have a 5x5 contract. 6x6 is already vomit-inducing. Anything above that is pure lunacy.

I already find myself yelling at Callahan through the TV, which I almost never used to do. The smart teams in this league rarely pay for legacy, they simply move on. I can only hope we do that in this case.

Anyone else get a feeling that Girardi signing may have something to do with this recent softening on the part of Callahan's camp? Aren't they and their wives friends? Or I suppose it just could be that they were playing hardball and Callahan wanted to stay all along...
 
Absolutely ridiculous. I wasn't Sather's biggest fan, but I was closer to that than most people on this site. No more. A 6X6 offer is already ridiculous and Sather looks like an idiot even if Callahan doesn't sign. Either Sather is an idiot or this is a business move. Disgraceful either way.
 
I really hope this nonsense hasn't stalled any potential trades.
 
I don't want to be over dramatic about this Callahan situation but if the Rangers go 6 million for 6 years, I will continue to root for them and hope for the best. However, my confidence in the front office to make a sound hockey decision will be completely gone. (I know many of you on the boards have lost confidence years ago). The Rangers have a history of being saddled with long term contracts that limit cap space and maneuverability. If what is being speculated is true and the Rangers are offering that, then this team will likely have the feel of the Knicks during the Allan Houston era. Maybe the team can squeak into the playoffs at lower seeds year after year but as far as reaching an elite level, I don't see it. You guys nailed it on the Drury comparisons.
 
Ugh, I just don't want Cally for even one year at 6M. This is anxiety inducing. He would be overpaid at 5.5M. I genuinely have anxiety and dread over what this deal will be. Callahan will go from one of the most loved homegrown Rangers to a hated, chased out of town disaster by the time he's 4 years into this.
 
AHB said:
Just to note, at a 6 million cap hit, Callahan would be in the top 30 contracts for forwards, in line with others such as

Daniel & Henrik Sedin
Patrick Kane
Henrik Zetterberg
Taylor Hall
Jonathan Toews

And more then

Patrick Sharp
Martin St. Louis
Daniel Alfredsson

I could go on, but it will make me depressed.
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Cap hit does not matter when looking at comparing to other players. Cap % matters more, as does RFA/UFA status, and average salary on what would be a legal contract today.

Sedins, St. Louis and Alfredsson deals aren't comparable because of their age. Kane, Toews, Hall deals aren't comparable because they were RFAs. Zetterberg's deal averages out to $7.58m over the first 8 years of the deal. Sharp was 2 years older, but that's the closest comparable in terms of dollars and % that you listed.

I've said before... Callahan @ $6m is most comparable to Jordan Staal and Mike Cammalleri, both of whom had a significantly higher % of the cap in the first year of the deal.
 
So, while we wait for the other shoe to drop on this - and since we've already discussed Stralman and the fourth line pretty extensively...

Last year the team surprised us with the Gabby move. If there are any surprising moves (i.e. haven't been rumored at all so far) this year, who do you think might be candidates?

Obviously it's hard to figure out what might be coming back on the other side, but personally I can see J. Moore moving in a smaller deal or Stepan if they decide to do something bold.
 
Not sure how Sather can look at this team and think that: (1) maintaining the status quo by signing Callahan as a core piece for 6 years, $6+ million, in addition to recently extending Girardi, are moves that will help us contend for years to come, and, (2) trading away picks for Hemsky is somehow a good idea. I'm sure another playmaking winger is exactly what we need to compete against the Bruins. Just another day in Rangerstown...
 
The problem is that this front office seems to learn nothing from its past mistakes. It's not like they don't have shining examples of how overpaying a player as he enters the decline in his career is more than likely going to end up a bad business decision.
 
Seriously this would be the WORST contract of the Sather era. Signing other teams' bad FAs at least you can see Sather thinking that they could work in this system. Sather KNOWS what Callahan is, sickening.
 
Where is all this he is a great leader stuff coming from? Just because has has the "C" on his jersey?

What exactly has he lead this team too?
 
Honestly, I hope they trade him. He was my favorite player, I own his jersey, but all this mess has made me strongly dislike him. I didn't hear his name mentioned once last name game wise. He's flat he used to be the spark of this team when you were down by a goal with a few minutes left you looked for Cally to see what he was doing and there was some pretty good hope he would produce something but that doesn't seem to happen anymore. I know the system has changed and his style of play has to be different than it was but if he can't adjust then he should be traded. Sorry for the rant I'm just annoyed and disappointed
 
The only benefit is that 4 years from now some casuals may become more educated about contracts when they discover that this becomes a bit of an albatross.

What are we giving MZA? 3-4 mil I'd bet.
Between Nash Cally and MZA we'll have dedicated almost 18 mil. Even if the cap goes up to 90 million that's 1/5 of the entire cap for the 3 RW position and obviously that cap ain't hitting 90 anytime soon. It's a TERRIBLE decision. Especially with guys like Fasth and Miller already knocking on the door for less than 1 M for the next 3 or 4 years. Brutal cap allocation. We also haven't won jack sh** with Callahan it's insanity to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. (Overpay guys like this)
 
If he re-signs Callahan, Sather better go all in. Prospects picks for Kesler, MSL or whoever else he thinks can put us over the top. Just say **** it and go for it.
 
Tawnos said:
Cap hit does not matter when looking at comparing to other players. Cap % matters more, as does RFA/UFA status, and average salary on what would be a legal contract today.

Sedins, St. Louis and Alfredsson deals aren't comparable because of their age. Kane, Toews, Hall deals aren't comparable because they were RFAs. Zetterberg's deal averages out to $7.58m over the first 8 years of the deal. Sharp was 2 years older, but that's the closest comparable in terms of dollars and % that you listed.

I've said before... Callahan @ $6m is most comparable to Jordan Staal and Mike Cammalleri, both of whom had a significantly higher % of the cap in the first year of the deal.
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Cap hit doesn't matter, ok.

And those guys that you mentinoed were RFA's, but they got nice deals that bought up UFA years.

They are certainly comparable.

FYI, Cap hit in regards to cap % are the same thing.

If a guy makes 6.3 CAP HIT and so does another, they are taking up the same %.

Who cares what Zetterbergs deal averages in money. Do you look at Richards as making 10 million hard dollars this year, or 6.6 million cap hit?

Fact is, the thing that matters is the cap. Cally is asking for 6.5 cap, we have, apparently offered a 6 mil cap hit. The guys at a 6 mil cap hit, regardless of age and circumstance, are all a billion times better then Callahan. They also do this thing called, scoring. More then 5 goals in 40 games.
 
Gardner McKay said:
I think that is really unfair to say. Just because the majority of us are in agreement we don't want Callahan anywhere close to 6 million for 6 years, let alone any more than that, we are an echo chamber?
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Yep. Hive mind puppets who don't understand the finer points of hockey and team building. Obviously. You, me, and all the rest.
 
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