Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXVIII: All the #1C's!

[Raspewtin]

Reading Callahan and Hemsky NYR news made me nauseous.

No. Please no.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Brandon Bollig off the market


https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/440506582200111104



and Hemsky really. Rangers need more grit and size in their top 6, not more non gritty tough forwards

 

[AHB*]

Where is all this he is a great leader stuff coming from? Just because has has the "C" on his jersey?

What exactly has he lead this team too?

We didn't resign Jagr who was a better captain, why do we have to resign Cally.

We stiffed Jagr over a million bucks. We're not going to stiff Callahan?

I just don't understand this at all.

He hasn't led this team to anything and since taking over as captain he's been nothing more then a vocal puppet for management.

 

[FATCHAMALA11]

Reading Callahan and Hemsky NYR news made me nauseous.

No. Please no.

This day sucks so far. I don't even want Callahan for 4 million at 5 years. I was his biggest fan and still like the guy, but is a shell of himself.

 

[Matt4776]

We didn't resign Jagr who was a better captain, why do we have to resign Cally.

We stiffed Jagr over a million bucks. We're not going to stiff Callahan?

I just don't understand this at all.

He hasn't led this team to anything and since taking over as captain he's been nothing more then a vocal puppet for management.

I could be wrong as I'm too lazy to look this up, but I thought Jagr left because of years, not because of money?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Cap hit doesn't matter, ok.

And those guys that you mentinoed were RFA's, but they got nice deals that bought up UFA years.

They are certainly comparable.

FYI, Cap hit in regards to cap % are the same thing.

If a guy makes 6.3 CAP HIT and so does another, they are taking up the same %.

Who cares what Zetterbergs deal averages in money. Do you look at Richards as making 10 million hard dollars this year, or 6.6 million cap hit?

Fact is, the thing that matters is the cap. Cally is asking for 6.5 cap, we have, apparently offered a 6 mil cap hit. The guys at a 6 mil cap hit, regardless of age, are and circumstance, are all a billion times better then Callahan. They also do this thing called, scoring. More then 5 goals in 40 games.

He's talking about cap hit at the time of signing, and he's right. Zetterberg's $6M was based on a 56.8M cap aka 10.7% of the cap. He also was signed to a 12 year deal. If we took just the first 6 years of his deal the cap hit would be $7.6M or 13.4% of the cap.

Callahan's cap hit of say, 6.3M would be 8.9% of next years 71M cap.

It's apples and oranges to just say 6M = 6M.

 

[jniklast]

Did the Rangers offer six years or is that just what Cally is asking for?

If they sign him, it better includes a similiar NMC/NTC constellation as Girardi's contract. He should really have only a very limited NTC after three years, so we could ship him out if he falls apart. Actually, I'd offer him just the same exact contract that Girardi got and not a dime more. Has he really done anything to warrant more than G?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

What's amazing to me is that Sather nickle and dimed Stepan who put up an almost point per game season last year and was one of the biggest reasons we even made the playoffs, but Callahan gets the vault. And he was right probably not to overpay Stepan, but where's the consistency?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Honestly, if we get a 1st and a 3rd for Cally and then flip a 2nd for his replacement, that's not a bad plan.

 

[Tawnos]

Cap hit doesn't matter, ok.

And those guys that you mentinoed were RFA's, but they got nice deals that bought up UFA years.

They are certainly comparable.

FYI, Cap hit in regards to cap % are the same thing.

If a guy makes 6.3 CAP HIT and so does another, they are taking up the same %.

Who cares what Zetterbergs deal averages in money. Do you look at Richards as making 10 million hard dollars this year, or 6.6 million cap hit?

Fact is, the thing that matters is the cap. Cally is asking for 6.5 cap, we have, apparently offered a 6 mil cap hit. The guys at a 6 mil cap hit, regardless of age, are and circumstance, are all a billion times better then Callahan. They also do this thing called, scoring. More then 5 goals in 40 games.

Kane's deal eats 1 year of UFA. Toews' deal eats 1 year of UFA. Hall's does eat 3, I'll grant you that.

And no, cap hit and when we refer to cap % aren't the same thing. Cap % refers to the first year of the deal, not to today.

As for the Zetterberg issue... that deal he signed isn't even legal in today's NHL. If Callahan were to sign a 10 year deal with the first 8 averaging $6m last 2 years @ $1m, it would be a $5m cap hit. He can't structure a deal like that because they wrote those kinds of deals out of the CBA. The legal deal would only include the first 8 years. Those years show what value is placed on the player for his actual play, as opposed to for manipulating the cap. When you're comparing players against a salary cap, it's best to try to put them on some kind of even playing field.

$6.5m is 9.14% of the projected $71.1m cap. Agreed that it's too much. $6m is 8.43% of the projected cap. That's about right for a player in his situation and of his caliber.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

He's talking about cap hit at the time of signing, and he's right. Zetterberg's $6M was based on a 56.8M cap aka 10.7% of the cap. He also was signed to a 12 year deal. If we took just the first 6 years of his deal the cap hit would be $7.6M or 13.4% of the cap.

Callahan's cap hit of say, 6.3M would be 8.9% of next years 71M cap.

It's apples and oranges to just say 6M = 6M.

Excellent point.

 

[AHB*]

He's talking about cap hit at the time of signing, and he's right. Zetterberg's $6M was based on a 56.8M cap aka 10.7% of the cap. He also was signed to a 12 year deal. If we took just the first 6 years of his deal the cap hit would be $7.6M or 13.4% of the cap.

Callahan's cap hit of say, 6.3M would be 8.9% of next years 71M cap.

It's apples and oranges to just say 6M = 6M.

I understand what he's saying and maybe Zetterberg was a bad example, due to the tacked on years, but how about the Sedins, or the Chicago boys?

How about Dustin Brown? This contract, regardless of any which way you look at it, is in line with players who are significantly better then Callahan.

And how anyone can warrant that we should give callahan nearly 1/10th of our available cap space, is beyond me.

Let's look at players on the team that are more valuable, as constructed, currently.

Lundqvist
Nash
Kreider
Stepan
Zucc
McD
Girardi
Staal

Borderline/On Par:
Hagelin
Brassard
Richards

Where do we justify giving him a contract when he's arguably not even top 10 most important to this squad anymore.

He can ask for what he wants, it's a business, I get that, but he's not worth a dime over 5 for this organization and even at that, I'd prefer the cap space to retain and upgrade our roster. He's a declining player that wants a retirement contract. The Rangers need to stop giving those out.

Sedins signed their contracts this year. Kane and Toews, regardless of RFA status, could have held out and didn't, instead they signed decent term contracts at more then fair cap hits, same goes for Tavares. I understand the difference between RFA and UFA, but a player of that caliber can still force their hand and STILL took UFA years off the table, as did McD.

I see the market out there for UFA's, I understand it, I saw what Clarkson and Clowe got. Does that mean they are worth it? Comparing albotross mistakes is as relevent as comparing Hossa's 8 years at 1 million bucks to Callahan.

 

[Callagraves]

Screw you guys, I still want Cally signed.

 

[Raspewtin]

What's amazing to me is that Sather nickle and dimed Stepan who put up an almost point per game season last year and was one of the biggest reasons we even made the playoffs, but Callahan gets the vault. And he was right probably not to overpay Stepan, but where's the consistency?

RFA's and UFA's couldn't be bigger apples to oranges.

Stepan was standard Sather procedure. And I agreed with what he did.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Is it just me, or do management teams in hockey believe their own ******** mythology of heart & soul, team chemistry, intangibles, etc. more than in any other sport?

If we ever do move on from Sather, we would benefit from a GM who never played in the NHL...

 

[Callagraves]

What's amazing to me is that Sather nickle and dimed Stepan who put up an almost point per game season last year and was one of the biggest reasons we even made the playoffs, but Callahan gets the vault. And he was right probably not to overpay Stepan, but where's the consistency?

Snowblind. RFAs. UFAs. Come on man, you're better than this.

 

[Callagraves]

Is it just me, or do management teams in hockey believe their own ******** mythology of heart & soul, team chemistry, intangibles, etc. more than in any other sport?

If we ever do move on from Sather, we would benefit from a GM who never played in the NHL...

If this were true, the Nash trade never would have happened

 

[Broadway Brad]

I just don't understand how every intelligent fan realizes that Callahan isn't worth anywhere close to $6 million, but our GM can't.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Is it just me, or do management teams in hockey believe their own ******** mythology of heart & soul, team chemistry, intangibles, etc. more than in any other sport?

If we ever do move on from Sather, we would benefit from a GM who never played in the NHL...

I actually think it does mean more than any other sports, but still, decisions can't be driven upon it.

 

[Wolfpack21]

I really think 6v6 is too much for Cally

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I just don't understand how every intelligent fan realizes that Callahan isn't worth anywhere close to $6 million, but our GM can't.

In Sather's defense (and this is rare for me), he's the one thats actually getting to see all the possibly returns for Callahan. And I can only infer that it doesn't look pretty.

Is letting him walk for nothing a better option than handing him 6/36? Probably.

 

[RGY]

Hope Callahan is traded today. Want to be done with this

 

[silverfish]

6/$36 for Callahan is almost as bad as 6/$39 for Redden.

I don't understand. I don't.

 

[AHB*]

I never thought I'd see the day where almost the entire Rangers board wants to trade Callahan.

Edit: It's a good thing in this instance.

 

[pld459666]

They aren't that far apart, he's not going to freaking leave over 450K give me a break, he's trying to get everything he can before signing.

IT WILL HAPPEN

That's what most of us are afraid of.

6x6 or more is a mistake.

We want Cally to hold firm at 6.3 per and for Sather to hold firm at 6 so we can trade him.

Cally at 6 per is a blunder of epic proportions

Cally at 6 per for 6 years is actually worse.