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Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77
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Dead serious….you don’t have to like it, I honestly would have a hard time doing it.
Lets go back a few years and see what 5th overall gets you
2019-Alex Turcotte meh
2018-Barett Hayton meh
2017-Elias Pettersson very good player
2016-Olli Juolevi meh
2015-Noah Hanifin good player
2014-Micheal Dal Colle meh
2013-Elias Lindholm very good player
2012-Morgan Reilly very good player
2011-Ryan Strome ok
2010-Nino Neiderreiter good player
4 players in there that I’d say are worthy of that 5th pick and would be worth it for Habs to trade their PF
4 players are clearly under Josh
2 players we can say are equal
So ya, a Josh Anderson +Struble +a pick is more then enough for a 40% chance at getting something better.
That’s my opinion
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I wonder what's Hughes plan exactly if he succeeds in trading Petry and another one without taking more than their salary back. If he knows in advance that Price is LTIR for most of next season, he could be tempted to trade for a bad contract + assets.
A lot of teams are gonna be cap strapped but not many teams will be willing to help with a bad contract this summer. Most bottom dwellers are financially challenged and they probably prefer waiting TDL to take real salary. With Price on LTIR, Habs could have around 5+M$ in cap space after signing the RFAs. The return could be in the Teravainen / Marleau ballpark for helping another team, I'd much prefer that to singing Letang or Perron - unless they sign for short term, but I don't see either doing that.
A lot of teams are gonna be cap strapped but not many teams will be willing to help with a bad contract this summer. Most bottom dwellers are financially challenged and they probably prefer waiting TDL to take real salary. With Price on LTIR, Habs could have around 5+M$ in cap space after signing the RFAs. The return could be in the Teravainen / Marleau ballpark for helping another team, I'd much prefer that to singing Letang or Perron - unless they sign for short term, but I don't see either doing that.
Can you find me a trade where a GM traded a top5 pick for that kind of package?!
There’s a better chance at that 5th overall being equal or lesser then Anderson…..
They normally don’t because they are rebuilding teams and are not looking to take on 27yr old players.
But with Philly more then likely wanting to contend, that pick is on the table for immediate help.
And we all know how Torts loves Anderson and how Philly regards these types of players.
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This 5th pick this year could be Nemec or Jiricek, or Gauthier ????
Petry is worth more than that.
Riggins
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Anderson and #26 to Columbus for #12
Dvorak and #12 to Philly for #5
Draft Jiricek
Come out of draft with #1C and #1D
Win Cups
Dvorak and #12 to Philly for #5
Draft Jiricek
Come out of draft with #1C and #1D
Win Cups
1909
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Yes and no. The team getting him still have many seaosn at 6,5M $ per to pay. You don't want Habs to pay a % of that contract - cap hit for sure.
Him, yes. His owner and GM: no !
DiglettDangles
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I love that gamble but if we're offered both deals (yours and the one for 5OA 2022 + JVR for Anderson + 26OA 2022), I don't know if I take yours.
On one hand I honestly think say the 2023 10OA might end up being a better player (almost certainly a forward) than Nemec/Jiricek, but those 2 are such a better fit with what we're missing in the pool to look serious.
On the other hand If I take the 5OA deal and I have to pick Cooley or Slaf it's instantaneously a failure vs the 2023 pick imo...
I'm tired of hearing the obsolete opinion that it's easy to find a #1 D in the 2nd round+... I recently looked back 10 years and found maybe half a dozen offensive first pair D beyond the top 20.
If you want a Makar/Heiskanen/Seider you got to pick him top 10, and none are projected there next year.
DiglettDangles
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For anyone interested, a JVR buyout this summer costs $4,333,334M next year and $1,333,334M the following year.
Manageable if we think Carey might play this year.
Manageable if we think Carey might play this year.
...I'd rather set myself on fire than have the Habs take Ristolainen back in a trade with Philly...
NekkiChiconey
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I believe Hughes has been offered some pretty significant picks for Anderson (maybe around 15) but I wonder if he's not looking for prospects instead.
I think Andy's a good fit in Ottawa but I don't see them trading the 7th OV for him, therefore: what would you think of a "Pacioretty-like" return with Ridly Greig as the main piece?
I'm Thinking Anderson for Greig, 2nd and Matt Murray (retained 1.25M).
We need a goalie and can hope Murray returns to at least average in the next 2 years. Ottawa doesn't have to buy him out that way.
I think Andy's a good fit in Ottawa but I don't see them trading the 7th OV for him, therefore: what would you think of a "Pacioretty-like" return with Ridly Greig as the main piece?
I'm Thinking Anderson for Greig, 2nd and Matt Murray (retained 1.25M).
We need a goalie and can hope Murray returns to at least average in the next 2 years. Ottawa doesn't have to buy him out that way.
c3z4r
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The problem with that sort of analysis is that you're assuming everyone would have taken the same exact player at 5th overall.
A better analysis, albeit still flawed, would be to show the players that were drafted between 5th and maybe 10th overall, and make a reasonable assumption that most teams would have chosen one of those 6 available players.
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No need for Murray. We still have Allen at a very decent price + Primeau is not far from NHL now. Thre is intresting goalies on the UFA market like Husso. And you don't want to give more muscle and more scoring power to your immediate opponent in your division.
And I don't want prospects of the Heineman-Smilanic 'caliber".....
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I like the idea of moving up, but I think Anderson, Dvorak and the 26th pick would fetch more than the 5th pick. Then again, maybe I'm overvaluing them.
Vachon23
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If they where interest in him, they would have pick him at the expansion draft last year.
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I doubt Philly gives us their 2023 pick unprotected. But top 10 protected would be great.
Beendair Donedat
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Anderson had his best year production wise under Torterella, and loved playing with him, while it’s being reported that the Flyers want to win now. The two players you just mentioned, PLD and Laine both hated playing for him.
So now that the Flyers are suddenly in “win now” mode, they have minimal cap space and they have a GM with a history of making some terrible moves. They need centers and right wingers, and Anderson and Dvorak fit that bill and bring them much closer to win now mode, while being signed to term. They’d be shipping out cap in JVR and still getting a late first rounder. Basically getting two solid signed assets to help immediately and a late first to help later on, while the Habs get a top pick to add to their rebuild and a player to flip at the deadline. Seems like a pretty fair deal for both sides to me.
Andrewcoursol
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Marleau was not playing well at the time he was dealt for a first rounder, plus leafs needed the cap space,
Petry is playing consistent, especially since MSL arrived, everyone sucked at the start of the season under Ducharme, does this mean Suzuki is only worth a late 1st rounder , also goal caufield started to score again with MSL at the helm, but under Ducharme he is a bust or worth a 4th rounder. just saying that Petry and Marleau are very different skill sets at the time of actual trade or pending Petry trade proposals.
JA is worth more than 14 places in the draft
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