Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[waitin425]

I'd be doing the following in this order

Pre-draft
1. Trade Weber for picks (to Arizona most likely)
2. Trade Petry for picks
3. Sign a veteran RD

Sign: Pitlick, Dauphin, Pezetta, Romanov, Clague
Walk: Wideman, Lagesonand Perreault

Anderson - Suzuki - Caufield
Hoffman - Dvorak - Gallagher
Drouin - Wright - Armia
Pitlick - Evans - Pezetta
Poehling

Edmundson - Romanov
Harris - Savard
Gughle - UFA


2023 TDL:
1. Trade Drouin at 50% to a contender for picks, and Byron if he can get games in but he's likely LTIR
2. Trade Allen for picks

2023 offseason:
Draft Bédard

Can we get rid of Hoffman while we are at it?

 

[David Suzuki]

Can we get rid of Hoffman while we are at it?

need him for the tank + every year his contract lapses would actually add value for a guy like him lol

 

[Supersonic]

This has been lamented a million times but the Gallagher situation needs to be dealt with. He’s the only contract I’m materially concerned about moving.

 

[Captain Mountain]

This has been lamented a million times but the Gallagher situation needs to be dealt with. He’s the only contract I’m materially concerned about moving.

No it doesn't. Worrying about moving the contract of a player who had a bad season while playing and being hurt and still having strong underlying numbers and truly unbelievable puck luck is stupid.

If there's a team that is interested in taking him for a late pick or a short term bad contract (like a JVR), then you do it. But odds are his value is not going to be hurt by keeping him for now. Likely the opposite happens if he can actually properly rehab with a normal length offseason.

 

[kyne]

I wish there was a way the Habs could get a shot at Nemec. I'd gladly give up Mailloux , Weber, Calgary's pick and Florida's pick next year just to start the conversation going with Arizona or perhaps Seattle. Not realistic perhaps but I really think Nemec is going to be that good. A smart player who can replace Petry sooner rather than later.

 

[1909]

Ideally Habs would have the three first picks: Wright-Slafkovsky and Nemec. They would be settled for a long while.

But won't happen.

 

[yianik]

No it doesn't. Worrying about moving the contract of a player who had a bad season while playing and being hurt and still having strong underlying numbers and truly unbelievable puck luck is stupid.

If there's a team that is interested in taking him for a late pick or a short term bad contract (like a JVR), then you do it. But odds are his value is not going to be hurt by keeping him for now. Likely the opposite happens if he can actually properly rehab with a normal length offseason.

I will second this. Let Gallagher rehab and come back, see what he can do. Unlikely his value is lower because I expect his value is below 0 on the basis that teams will want to see if he can rebound. If he rebounds then maybe he can be moved if thats what HUGO want . Otherwise it will cost us a lot of assets to move a contract that size, if there are even any takers.

 

[Sorinth]

No it doesn't. Worrying about moving the contract of a player who had a bad season while playing and being hurt and still having strong underlying numbers and truly unbelievable puck luck is stupid.

If there's a team that is interested in taking him for a late pick or a short term bad contract (like a JVR), then you do it. But odds are his value is not going to be hurt by keeping him for now. Likely the opposite happens if he can actually properly rehab with a normal length offseason.

And on top of it the buyout is pretty team friendly, so the longer you wait the better.

 

[Ezpz]

I wish there was a way the Habs could get a shot at Nemec. I'd gladly give up Mailloux , Weber, Calgary's pick and Florida's pick next year just to start the conversation going with Arizona or perhaps Seattle. Not realistic perhaps but I really think Nemec is going to be that good. A smart player who can replace Petry sooner rather than later.

I would be patient to be honest. Nemec isn't popping out anything that puts him ahead of the top D prospects of the last 5 years, or even on equal footing. 2023 or 2024 could end up having a Makar-level D in our pick range depending on how things shake out. I am, however, not too comfortable saying our pick will be bottom 5 next year unless we're shipping out some vets this summer.

Food for thought: Hedman and Doughty(completely undeserved imo) are the only top 5 picks to win a Norris post-lockout(05). Apart from those two for guys who went top 10, Pietrangelo, Heiskanen, Makar, Dahlin, Seider, maybe Werenski, maybe OEL, and maybe Seth Jones would be the only guys post lockout I'd be happy getting using a top 5 pick on a dman. The rest drafted in the top 10 as Dmen are largely unspectacular or 2nd pairing or lower guys.

 

[ottawa]

Can we get rid of Hoffman while we are at it?

I think he'll have more value in his final year and retained, at this point he's just a cap dump

 

[JoelWarlord]

I wonder about sending Dvorak to Calgary for picks/prospects and taking back Monahan as a cap dump. Would be an interesting add as a sheltered 3C and he might be flippable at the deadline. He has a 10 team NTC though, and I'd think there's a pretty good chance Montreal would be on it.

 

[Vachon23]

I wonder about sending Dvorak to Calgary for picks/prospects and taking back Monahan as a cap dump. Would be an interesting add as a sheltered 3C and he might be flippable at the deadline. He has a 10 team NTC though, and I'd think there's a pretty good chance Montreal would be on it.

I would probably do it (depending the prospect)

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I dont think society works like that in the affirmative action era. If Mailloux ever suits up for the habs, the media will be a complete shit show before his first game.

I disagree, they’ll ask a few questions, he’ll answer, score his first goal and all will be forgotten. He was a kid doing kid things, people want to ruin him for that. Leave him alone ffs, if we all got canceled/erased and not allowed to pursue our dreams for mistakes we made as a teenager none of us would reach them.

 

[themilosh]

Why are you concerned about Caufield come playoff time, did you not watch him last playoffs?

small players never perform in playoffs (like they do in regular season) - as they are easy to push around, and keep on the perimeter. And as we all know, goals in playoffs come from the dirty areas in front of the net, screens, etc.. Sure CC will do well in playoffs, like Gaudreau point wise - but even Gaudreau has been basically a no show these playoffs so far (save for an OT snipe): 2 goals in 11 games, far below his regular season contributions.
IMO, true contenders don't "bank" on a 5'5" sniper. such a sniper would do much better on a big team (like NYR). We also know that CC can have a really cold run (though Ducharmes is at fault), but in fairness to Laff he is basically playing 3rd line minutes, whereas CC under MSL was playing top line line minutes and PP1...

So yes, CC stock is high, this is why I pull the trigger now and land ourselves a beast on the wing with hands.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

I disagree, they’ll ask a few questions, he’ll answer, score his first goal and all will be forgotten. He was a kid doing kid things, people want to ruin him for that. Leave him alone ffs, if we all got canceled/erased and not allowed to pursue our dreams for mistakes we made as a teenager none of us would reach them.

Strange times we’re in.

 

[themilosh]

Ideally Habs would have the three first picks: Wright-Slafkovsky and Nemec. They would be settled for a long while.

But won't happen.

what about trading our 1st next year (top 3 protected) and Calgary's first this year?

 

[Sorinth]

small players never perform in playoffs (like they do in regular season) - as they are easy to push around, and keep on the perimeter. And as we all know, goals in playoffs come from the dirty areas in front of the net, screens, etc.. Sure CC will do well in playoffs, like Gaudreau point wise - but even Gaudreau has been basically a no show these playoffs so far (save for an OT snipe): 2 goals in 11 games, far below his regular season contributions.
IMO, true contenders don't "bank" on a 5'5" sniper. such a sniper would do much better on a big team (like NYR). We also know that CC can have a really cold run (though Ducharmes is at fault), but in fairness to Laff he is basically playing 3rd line minutes, whereas CC under MSL was playing top line line minutes and PP1...

So yes, CC stock is high, this is why I pull the trigger now and land ourselves a beast on the wing with hands.

So I guess that means no you didn't in fact watch the last seasons playoffs where Caufield was one of our best players. And you must never have watched Patrick Kane in the playoffs either.

 

[Captain Mountain]

small players never perform in playoffs (like they do in regular season) - as they are easy to push around, and keep on the perimeter. And as we all know, goals in playoffs come from the dirty areas in front of the net, screens, etc.. Sure CC will do well in playoffs, like Gaudreau point wise - but even Gaudreau has been basically a no show these playoffs so far (save for an OT snipe): 2 goals in 11 games, far below his regular season contributions.
IMO, true contenders don't "bank" on a 5'5" sniper. such a sniper would do much better on a big team (like NYR). We also know that CC can have a really cold run (though Ducharmes is at fault), but in fairness to Laff he is basically playing 3rd line minutes, whereas CC under MSL was playing top line line minutes and PP1...

So yes, CC stock is high, this is why I pull the trigger now and land ourselves a beast on the wing with hands.

Even without delving into Montreal's rich history of undersized playoff performers, Caufield was legitimately Montreal's best offensive forward in the playoffs. Marchand and Kane consistently elevate their games in the playoffs. Briere was better in the playoffs than the regular season, MSL was a playoff performer too.

And this comparison is bunk too. Lafreniere is getting outperformed by guys lower in the lineup on his team and even accounting for usage, Caufield has been better once Ducharme stopped screwing him around.

 

[DougHarvey]

I disagree, they’ll ask a few questions, he’ll answer, score his first goal and all will be forgotten. He was a kid doing kid things, people want to ruin him for that. Leave him alone ffs, if we all got canceled/erased and not allowed to pursue our dreams for mistakes we made as a teenager none of us would reach them.

Getting drunk and puking in a friends kitchen or getting caught shoplifting are stupid teenage antics.

What he did shows a complete lack of morality.

I am all for giving him a chance to redeem/prove himself but someone who does something that stupid will probably get in trouble for something else.

I'm guessing you dont have daughters.

 

[themilosh]

Even without delving into Montreal's rich history of undersized playoff performers, Caufield was legitimately Montreal's best offensive forward in the playoffs. Marchand and Kane consistently elevate their games in the playoffs. Briere was better in the playoffs than the regular season, MSL was a playoff performer too.

And this comparison is bunk too. Lafreniere is getting outperformed by guys lower in the lineup on his team and even accounting for usage, Caufield has been better once Ducharme stopped screwing him around.

well, tbf if we're going to compare size we have to compare bulk. Kane, MSL, Marchand were/are freight trains - I would say CC is in the same group as: Gaudreau, DeBrincat, and Briere.

 

[sampollock]

small players never perform in playoffs (like they do in regular season) - as they are easy to push around, and keep on the perimeter. And as we all know, goals in playoffs come from the dirty areas in front of the net, screens, etc.. Sure CC will do well in playoffs, like Gaudreau point wise - but even Gaudreau has been basically a no show these playoffs so far (save for an OT snipe): 2 goals in 11 games, far below his regular season contributions.
IMO, true contenders don't "bank" on a 5'5" sniper. such a sniper would do much better on a big team (like NYR). We also know that CC can have a really cold run (though Ducharmes is at fault), but in fairness to Laff he is basically playing 3rd line minutes, whereas CC under MSL was playing top line line minutes and PP1...

So yes, CC stock is high, this is why I pull the trigger now and land ourselves a beast on the wing with hands.

mitch in figland is not that big

 

[bcv]

Getting drunk and puking in a friends kitchen or getting caught shoplifting are stupid teenage antics.

What he did shows a complete lack of morality.

I am all for giving him a chance to redeem/prove himself but someone who does something that stupid will probably get in trouble for something else.

I'm guessing you dont have daughters.

How old are you? Because let me tell ya, what he did is exactly stupid teenage antics. Kids these days, unfortunately, do that kind of stuff and it's widespread.

 

[DougHarvey]

How old are you? Because let me tell ya, what he did is exactly stupid teenage antics. Kids these days, unfortunately, do that kind of stuff and it's widespread.

Old enough to remember Beliveau's final years.

If that's what they do nowadays , I am happy I have dogs instead of kids.

 

[Michelangelo]

what about trading our 1st next year (top 3 protected) and Calgary's first this year?

Would you trade #1 for a late 1st (e.g. #25) and a 1st next year (top 3 protected)?

It would make no sense at all. If we wouldn't do it, why would NJD do it?

 

[Captain Mountain]

well, tbf if we're going to compare size we have to compare bulk. Kane, MSL, Marchand were/are freight trains - I would say CC is in the same group as: Gaudreau, DeBrincat, and Briere.

Kane has never been a freight train. Neither has Marchand really. They just play fearless, which is what Caufield did last playoffs. All we've seen from Caufield is that he performs in the playoffs. Gaudreau has 13 points in 11 games this year. DeBrincat performed well in his only playoff appearance too.

If you want more, Cammalleri has probably been Montreal's best individual playoff performer (apart from Price) in the cap era.