Some GMs are very skilled at overhyping their assets, so contenders do tend to trade their firsts. However, I hardly see any contender give up a first for Chiarot or anything above a 7th for Kulak. Some Habs fans are quick to overvalue players once again.
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Comparable would be Savard which was traded for a late first last season. Habs will probably have to retain tho.
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Some undervalue market trends - Chiarot is a unicorn this deadline, there isn’t one other veteran Dman on an expiring very manageable AAV contract available with his recent playoff performance pedigree (last two playoffs on top pair + over 20TOI) combined w his size & physicality.
He'll fetch a 1st, no doubt there, the question is which type (22 ou 23, with or without conditions) and what more...
It's not only Gorton's evaluation, but pretty much every analysts who believe so.
P.S. Hall Gill got a 2nd+ and he was nowhere near in his career as Chariot is. Think Craig Rivet type return.
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I would be thoroughly unimpressed if Chiarot nets anything less than a 3-component return.
1st + NHL ready grade B+ prospect + high risk / high return prospect
1st + NHL ready grade B+ prospect + high risk / high return prospect
Like I said before, it all depends on how the next GM or Gorton, whom ever that may be, sells Chiarot at the deadline.
I will repeat that you shouldn't be surprised if the return is underwhelming. A second and A prospect will be the return in my mind. Teams will likely keep their first and give up a pretty high prospect. Think Pacces trade.
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Chariot is the type of guy teams overpay for all the time at the deadline. At 50% retained, anything less then a 1st is a failure.
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Just realized Price, since 2016-2017, ranks 1st among goalies with 20+ games played (19 have played 20+ games since then) for GAA and SV% in playoffs.
Jake Allen ranks first for goalies with 10+ games played since that time.
The habs have great assets for contender looking for solid goaltending. Seeing other fanbases shit on Price and Allen and comparing them to the likes of Koskinen is hilarious.
Jake Allen ranks first for goalies with 10+ games played since that time.
The habs have great assets for contender looking for solid goaltending. Seeing other fanbases shit on Price and Allen and comparing them to the likes of Koskinen is hilarious.
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Depends on what The Habs would have to add to the pick for EP
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If I remember correctly, we had two links about a month or so ago where several agents were polled and I believe they were all of the opinion that Chiarot would fetch a first — so this is not about HF posters coming up with an exaggerated take. One of those links came from the Athletic as I recall.
Of course, we’ll have to see where the market is at, how much leverage Gorton and the new GM will have and how quickly they go to market.
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Trust me. This isn’t a hill you’re going to want to die on. Chiarot will absolutely get a 1st/equivalent value to a 1st plus. There no doubt about it unless he’s injured and doesn’t get moved.
Only question is which team and how high Gorton can drive the offer. He’s coming in with no baggage and can move Chiarot anywhere as long as it’s the best deal.
I can’t wait fir some of these dominos to fall and spice up the thought of the draft in Montreal
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Kravstov is probably be the most interesting prospect that should be available
I'm all for getting D+1+2 prospects instead of firsts/picks. They are much easier to project and development curve always seem to start better away from Montreal. Media pressure has historically been terrible for our first rounders and there are many factors accountable for our lack of efficience... which entice me to I believe getting other teams prospects (See Suzuki) is the ultimate way to go. It's the fastest way to rebuild and we have great assets for any contender. In Gorton we trust !
These hockey insiders are quick at claiming all kinds sometimes. Let's not dwell about silly things.
The point is that I rather see a very high established prospect coming back than a first. The Habs have been horrendous at drafting the past decade.
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I don’t have a preference, whether it’s a first or a prospect. I’ll have to trust Gorton that if he doesn’t take a prospect in a given deal where he had the option, it will have been based on a reliable evaluation.
These links I was referring to quoted multiple sources, it wasn’t just the opinion of a beat writer. Of course, there are always caveats and I named a few in my prior post. You can’t just dismiss a multiplicity of sources just because some pundits have been too quick on the trigger.
There are historical precedents and what these quoted scouts know as insiders and the comparative analysis from which they draw their conclusions. It’s not an exact science but I don’t agree that in the case of credible sources, they should be dismissed outright. To each their own, I guess.
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Most GMs wouldn’t give up a top 15 prospect so assuming he’s available, he’d definitely be one of the more attractive ones out there and picked by Gorton. So seems even more plausible.
and you are claiming that Chairot is not worth a 1st which put you in the same ballpark.
1st values are overrated on these boards. More precious than the El Dorado.
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Its been a funny 5 years listening to people either freakout in our fanbase about Price’s contract or degrade him because of it. He’s all but primed to be on IR in a couple of years. The $10.5 may be hard to swallow for some contenders, but somebody looking for a few seasons of good goaltending can get that for a few seasons at a reasonable trade cost and we could retain or he simply retired here. It’s not a problem at all. There’s far less manageable contracts out there.
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