Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 61

[417]

Not only do I think a franchise needs those foundational pieces to accelerate a rebuild I think their essential in building a perennial Cup contender. A team needs an elite centre, an elite defenceman, and maybe a top end winger or another top centre. I don’t think the Habs have that in their system. Unfortunately I don’t think Suzuki is that player and I’m not sure about Romanov and Guhle being that type of player.

The question is how do they get those players. Typically they come through the draft, usually with higher picks (but have come in trades before too). When the Habs get those core foundational pieces they can start to accelerate their rebuild, imo. Hopefully they get one this draft and maybe another next draft (I honestly don’t see this team turning it around next season).

Sorry, I don't mean to repeat myself here...but I agree with the overall sentiment of your post.

Nowhere have you seen me say that I don't want this team to draft their own foundational pieces. That's what I hope happens this year, whether they end up with pick #1 or #5 or #9.

I just don't believe in artificially worming your way into a position to have a chance at drafting someone who might be that player we need. I don't ever want losing to be a standard...it can be a means to an end, but never a standard.

 

[BozoTheClown]

Not only do I think a franchise needs those foundational pieces to accelerate a rebuild I think their essential in building a perennial Cup contender. A team needs an elite centre, an elite defenceman, and maybe a top end winger or another top centre. I don’t think the Habs have that in their system. Unfortunately I don’t think Suzuki is that player and I’m not sure about Romanov and Guhle being that type of player.

The question is how do they get those players. Typically they come through the draft, usually with higher picks (but have come in trades before too). When the Habs get those core foundational pieces they can start to accelerate their rebuild, imo. Hopefully they get one this draft and maybe another next draft (I honestly don’t see this team turning it around next season).

2025-2026 should be when the turn around happens.

 

[417]

this is the GM in NYR that sent a letter to season ticket holder say they were going to rebuild.
You keep forgetting that this has not been a playoff team for the last 4 season making the COVID playoff doesn’t change the fact that we aren’t competitive… No one scorching the earth you sell off over 2 season look for the best return which isn’t likely immediate help…

Actually, quite the opposite...that's why I don't want to wait another 4-5 years as has been suggested to me, to make it back there.

That's absolutely ridiculous...we'd be approaching Edmonton Oilers pre-McDavid levels of ineptitude. That's self-inflicted damage, not part of an overall plan.

We don't need to go there. A lot of the legwork had already begun...it's just that Cup run fooled the previous GM into believing we needed to accelerate things, but those are correctable mistakes.

 

[417]

2025-2026 should be when the turn around happens.

I hope this isn't the timeline Gorton sold Molson on lol.

Jesus lol

 

[HabsCode]

When your entire organization as been solely built around an all star goaltender for the last 15+ years and you have not much too show for as far as talent is concerned, the rebuild, if this is the direction taken, will take at least 3 years of being at the bottom of the standing.

That’s just the reality that can’t be avoided, unless people are find with being a middle of the pack team for another 15 years.

I truly hope Gorton and his staff are going to go for the long term approach instead of trying to patch holes and become competitive as soon as next season like Bergevin did, but for the rebuild to be successful, they need to hire competent staff and scout.

Otherwise they will just spin their wheel and end up like the Buffalo Sabres.

Scouting and development is the most important part of the equation, and I have no trust the personnel currently in place will be capable of successfully orchest the rebuild.

Really hope to see some serious organizational change in 2022, but no needs to rush the hiring. I hope they find the most competent people, like they did for Gorton.

 

[TouzY]

Drouin + Gallagher for a 4th round pick

 

[417]

2021-22 (current season)
2022-23
2023-24
2024-25
2025-26 (turn around)

Lawd have mercy, pray for us.

 

[Habricot]

Caufield is not a top 10 draft. A top 10 draft that year would of possibly be one of Hughes, Byram, Seider or Zegras.

But I get what you mean. The problem is that the Habs direction refuse to go throught the process of a long rebuild, like some poster here refuse to accept, which result in rushing players. They went for centers in KK and Galchenyuk because they needed center and wanted to turn the ship around fast because oh no, what would have happened if the Habs had been bad two seasons in a row. So short-sighted.

I would not put it as a long rebuild but rather a longer development process independantly of the current needs of the team. Yes they needed a center and they had KK in there system. You send him back in finland and get a guy like Bozak or someone along these lines to fill in while he develops. I would much rather have a guy like Dauphin up while Caufield develops in the AHL (assuming no injury), and to be honest, with no injurry this year he would/should be in the AHL

 

[BozoTheClown]

I hope this isn't the timeline Gorton sold Molson on lol.

Jesus lol

Molson is an idiot!
He needed Bettman to give him advices to fire Bergevin.
Then I can guarantee you, you won’t see a Stanley Cup for another 10 years.
If that’s what you want.

 

[Miller Time]

Yeah when has he put up KK numbers for a whole season?

When have bad fan takes needed a full season to emerge?

 

[sampollock]

Guys are on 690 are right
this fanbase has been starving for a stud forward and a centre at that forever

so what do fans do, carve some players here like Nicky, is it Nick's fault this team has no big stud?? no
GM and ownership are responsible.

 

[BozoTheClown]

Molson is an idiot!
He needed Bettman to give him advices to fire Bergevin.
Then I can guarantee you, you won’t see a Stanley Cup for another 10 years.
If that’s what you want.

 

[417]

Then I can guarantee you, you won’t see a Stanley Cup for another 10 years.
If that’s what you want.

I'd be curious to know what happens to the current players on the team, that you plan on being here in 2025-26 when the "turn around should happen"?

What's all that losing going to do to them? How are they just suddenly going to flip to the switch to being a winning team after 5 years without success.

2025-26 good lawd!

Personally, I see absolutely no reason why this shouldn't be a competitive team (I did not write Cup contending team) as soon as 2023-24...if the organization's mandate hasn't shifted to being competitive by then and making moves to that effect.

Something went terribly wrong

 

[salbutera]

I live in Vancouver, so I hear lots about the Canucks

Rutherford MIGHT consider 1OA + Caufield for Petterson but Petterson would have to regress to a struggling level for another significant period first

Thanks for the feedback.

I only make the Pettersson suggestion since I can’t think of another struggling but young potential high ceiling 1C.

I really don’t see Rutherford making such a move since Pettersson is a prototypical Rutherford type player.

 

[417]

Guys are on 690 are right
this fanbase has been starving for a stud forward and a centre at that forever

so what do fans do, carve some players here like Nicky, is it Nick's fault this team has no big stud?? no
GM and ownership are responsible.

Nick Suzuki just needs to be patient until 2025-26 when all the pieces come together.

4 more years of tearing Nick Suzuki because he's not carrying this franchise.

He'll be fine though.

 

[sampollock]

Thanks for the feedback.

I only make the Pettersson suggestion since I can’t think of another struggling but young potential high ceiling 1C.

I don't think they would move Petterson, the city of van would go insane

 

[BozoTheClown]

I'd be curious to know what happens to the current players on the team, that you plan on being here in 2025-26 when the "turn around should happen"?

What's all that losing going to do to them? How are they just suddenly going to flip to the switch to being a winning team after 5 years without success.

2025-26 good lawd!

Personally, I see absolutely no reason why this shouldn't be a competitive team (I did not write Cup contending team) as soon as 2023-24...if the organization's mandate hasn't shifted to being competitive by then and making moves to that effect.

Something went terribly wrong

Well…something as been wrong for the last 20 years. How do you expect to fix this within a couple of seasons?

We need top high talent to win.
Where is our high end talent?

How do you expect to acquire top end talent that will change the fortune of this organization the next 2 years?

 

[HabsCode]

Well…something as been wrong for the last 20 years. How do you expect to fix this within a couple of seasons?

We need top high talent to win.
Where is our high end talent?

How do you expect to acquire top end talent that will change the fortune of this organization the next 2 years?

I heard Chandler Stephenson was available for a 5th round pick.

Just kidding of course 417, don't @ me.

As far as the impact a 3-4 years drought can have on young player, Dylan Larkin seems to be fine having the best season of his career so far, going over PPG despite having missed the playoff for the last 5 seasons.

His awakening just happened to coincide with when Seider and Raymond joined the team. Go figures.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

2025-2026 should be when the turn around happens.

 

[Big Empty]

1st + Pelletier for Toffoli would be the dream return from Calgary.

 

[vokiel]

Drouin + Gallagher for a 4th round pick

Not a Timmins team anymore, no thank you to 4th round picks.

 

[HabsCode]

1st + Pelletier for Toffoli would be the dream return from Calgary.

They don't have the cap space, we would need to retain and/or take on a dump, which they don't really have at the moment.

Even Lucic is having a respectable season.

But yeah that would be the kind of trade that would give a kickstart to the rebuild.

 

[417]

Well…something as been wrong for the last 20 years. How do you expect to fix this within a couple of seasons?

We need top high talent to win.
Where is our high end talent?

How do you expect to acquire top end talent that will change the fortune of this organization the next 2 years?

These are all questions for the management to answer…not me.

But I certainly don’t expect these challenges to take 4 years to be addressed.

No one here truly would accept that and I don’t think Gorton would either.

 

[CHfan1]

Sorry, I don't mean to repeat myself here...but I agree with the overall sentiment of your post.

Nowhere have you seen me say that I don't want this team to draft their own foundational pieces. That's what I hope happens this year, whether they end up with pick #1 or #5 or #9.

I just don't believe in artificially worming your way into a position to have a chance at drafting someone who might be that player we need. I don't ever want losing to be a standard...it can be a means to an end, but never a standard.

I don’t either. I don’t think this team needs to sell every single vet and be bad bad for the next few years. But, looking at this team, they are terrible already. Bergevin left them in a bad state with lots of bad contracts. If they sell vets like Chiarot, Gallagher, Petry, maybe even Toffoli for picks and prospects the team will continue to be bad next season but at least they’ll have picked a direction. Hopefully they can land a couple foundational piece players and start to accelerate the rebuild from there.

But the biggest thing is it’s going to take time, longer than a couple years. Draft picks, even high ones aren’t going to come into the league on day 1 and make a big impact, it usually takes years for that to happen. I also can’t see the vets the Habs have now returning blue chip prospects, just picks that could/hopefully turns into that type of prospect.

The last thing I want them to do is try to get better in the short term (with no long term vision) and try to make a push for the playoffs. They need to rebuild the team properly, which I think will take longer than you would like.

 

[BozoTheClown]

Thinking we will reach the Stanley Cup Final in 2 years with the players and talent we have on the team.