Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 61

[Kwikwi]

How did we get Suzuki?

We drafted an elite guy, that was in his prime when we cash in on a return for a position of need and a younger talent.

 

[vokiel]

Suzuki is as much a first line center as Tomas Plekanec was. If we could find a first line center, then Suzuki is definitely a core piece on a second line. Otherwise, he'll just have the same treatment and career as Koivu & Plekanec. Not exactly a core piece you can build around.

So PLD?

 

[417]

I feel like you are being too conservative.
This organization needs bold moves, not better hotdogs and those decisions might not be popular, but necessary.

Conservative? Hot dogs?

What are you talking about? Lol

You think it’s bold to tank? There’s nothing bold about it.

Concerning Caufield and Suzuki, Caufield might need time in Laval. As far as Suzuki, I am not convinced he is ready for the full time #1 job now and we have Toffoli and Anderson he can play with. Neither of those guys are legit first line players. We have Kulak, Savard, Wideman, Lehkonen, Armia, Dauphin, Perrault, Paquette to name a few veterans.

You’re concerned Suzuki isn’t ready to be a #1C right now, which is a perfectly legitimate concern.

So how is the solution to continue to gut this team and suck for the next 4 years?

how does that make any sense?

How do you fill those gaps. With cap space you can make some adjustments to the lineup, add picks and prospects, by getting short term bad contract for a longer term bad contract. You can take on a short term contract that you will buy out. You can sign a RFA to a 1 year show me deal and you extend and trade him. You can take a bad contract for picks and prospects. With cap space you can play around .

Exactly…so what are we debating?

All of the things you mentioned are viable mechanisms to make this team better, so why should the sole focus be on sucking for the next 4 years?

Trade Price only if the return is optimum? Optimum compare to what? Price having a career year? Price having a down year? Price at 10,5mil or at 8mil. How long do you play Price when and if he comes back? Everyone knows he can drastically affect our draft ranking. If we keep Price until next year and he puts us in a wildcard race and we end up making the playoffs and drafting 22nd, then what?
Price handcuffs us right now with his contract.

It’s wrong to be a playoff team? This is what I’m talking about lol this kind of attitude, the need to breed losing, is bad.

Getting back to the playoffs next year would be great! I’m not sure how anyone can legitimately argue that it would be a bad thing lol.

What will Price, Gallagher and Petry worth past their mid 30’s

On the trade market? Hard to say…but to the Habs? Considering the amount of young players who will be integrating the roster…

a lot (again, this doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t move either of them if the right deal came along…but no team is trading for them and just sending you a package of high picks and prospects back)

Why wait to see what will happen next year?
Why waste more time when it’s obvious we need some major changes in our lineup?

Seems weird to be afraid of the next few years when we just had a terrible last 10 years.

I’m not sure who you’re debating this with…but it ain’t me.

 

[417]

why do you insist on -THIS- year ?

I’m not insisting..just stating a fact.

including this season, the last SEVEN years
- miss the PO
- lose in round 1
- back to missing the PO
- miss the PO again
- lose in round two - after being allowed to the PO while being -> 24th <- in the whole league
- lose in the SCF after finishind the regular seaosn with a .527 W%

if not for COVID*, how many rounds of PO you think we win in the last SEVEN years ?
(no its not an excuse, numbers are there for you to see)


and we did finish 24th and played for .527 with both Price and Weber on the team...

So what’s the problem?

 

[417]

How is Suzuki a “top tier” talent? What exactly is he in the top of? League scoring? Goals? Assists? Points? Please enlighten me.
Also, can you find Patches near the top for any of those category? You remember him right. The guy we drafted and traded for Suzuki.

It’s odd seeing the same guy arguing that the Habs need to tank to acquire top tier talent…

Is simultaneously shitting on Suzuki because he’s not as good as Pacioretty who is 10urs his senior and on a better team.

lol like how can you want a team that focuses on the draft and amateur prospects…while ignoring that it takes time for most prospects to reach maturity.

In other words…you want the team to tank, grt high picks and you want those high picks to be superstars right away.

That seem reasonable to you?

The same ones who want this team to suck for 4-5 years, also have the least amount of patience for growth lol

 

[Schwang]

Burner account = brûleur dépôt ?

How does this relate to what I said?

 

[BozoTheClown]

Conservative? Hot dogs?

What are you talking about? Lol

You think it’s bold to tank? There’s nothing bold about it.


You’re concerned Suzuki isn’t ready to be a #1C right now, which is a perfectly legitimate concern.

So how is the solution to continue to gut this team and suck for the next 4 years?

how does that make any sense?


Exactly…so what are we debating?

All of the things you mentioned are viable mechanisms to make this team better, so why should the sole focus be on sucking for the next 4 years?


It’s wrong to be a playoff team? This is what I’m talking about lol this kind of attitude, the need to breed losing, is bad.

Getting back to the playoffs next year would be great! I’m not sure how anyone can legitimately argue that it would be a bad thing lol.


On the trade market? Hard to say…but to the Habs? Considering the amount of young players who will be integrating the roster…

a lot (again, this doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t move either of them if the right deal came along…but no team is trading for them and just sending you a package of high picks and prospects back)


I’m not sure who you’re debating this with…but it ain’t me.

Sorry!
I had a reply, but this site is absolutely ridiculous!!!’
Nice debating with you.

 

[417]

Pacioretty was a floater here, he was not the player he is now in Vegas, f*** him.

As for Suzuki, he is far better at 22yo than Pacioretty was at the same age.

Nah he's the exact same player...he's just playing on a much better team where opponents can't just focus on him.

 

[417]

They're 5th OA in the league and they're 9 points and a game in hand ahead of the 8th place team. Yeah, you're right they're liable to fall out of the playoffs any second...........not!

Sterling made the statement that drafting is the only way to get top-tier talent. That is obviously wrong.
You can draft them, trade for them, or sign them as UFA. That was my point. When it comes to acquiring talent to exclude two other avenues is shortsighted, counterproductive and guaranteed to keep your team out of contention.

This 100%

 

[DAChampion]

Drafting is the most effective way to acquire too-tier talent, by a large margin.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

Suzuki is as much a first line center as Tomas Plekanec was. If we could find a first line center, then Suzuki is definitely a core piece on a second line. Otherwise, he'll just have the same treatment and career as Koivu & Plekanec. Not exactly a core piece you can build around.

So PLD?

Very early to make such a call.

I would say that Suzuki could very well end up better than PLD.

 

[vokiel]

Very early to make such a call.

I would say that Suzuki could very well end up better than PLD.

Yes at 22, it's early.

The point is to get 2 centers, not just rely on 1. A decent core is 2 centers. You go in with only 1 and that's another decade of similar results as the previous 2.

 

[BozoTheClown]

Drafting is the most effective way to acquire too-tier talent, by a large margin.

Absolutely!

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Drafting is the most effective way to acquire too-tier talent, by a large margin.

No shit. Each team gets to draft 7 players every June. What is the point of this and what it is meant to argue?

 

[Beer and Chips]

Somebody got a peice of coal in their stocking.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Somebody got a peice of coal in their stocking.

I'm just trying to understand the point of his comment. It's self-evident and nobody is claiming otherwise.

 

[Beer and Chips]

I'm just trying to understand the point of his comment. It's self-evident and nobody is claiming otherwise.

You need to go further up the thread I think.

 

[MTL-rules]

Nah he's the exact same player...he's just playing on a much better team where opponents can't just focus on him.

No he isn't... He's actually showing up in the PO.

 

[ECWHSWI]

I’m not insisting..just stating a fact.


So what’s the problem?

no problem for people who arent interested in seeing their team win the cup I guess.

 

[DAChampion]

No shit. Each team gets to draft 7 players every June. What is the point of this and what it is meant to argue?

I was responding to the discussion of the preceding posts.

 

[417]

No he isn't... He's actually showing up in the PO.

Helps when you’re not the entire focus of the other teams plans to stop his team.

it’s what his 12th year in the NHL? You think he just experienced a metamorphosis?

 

[417]

no problem for people who arent interested in seeing their team win the cup I guess.

Yeah must be it…I don’t wanna see them win the Cup

 

[BozoTheClown]

Trade Hoffman to Seattle
Trade Edmundson to Minnesota
Trade Chariot to Vancouver
Armia/Lehkonen/Kulak/Perrault/Paquette for draft picks.
Add at least a 1st and a second at the deadline.


Find a taker for Price or Gallagher over the summer and give yourself some cap space.

Get someone like Mason Geertsen, with Pezzeta and Anderson this should take care of the toughness. Let young players learn and develop in the AHL or more seasons in Europe.

The team next year. It’s obviously not a playoffs team, but there are a few players that were drafted by the team getting a chance to play regular minutes. This gives a chance for Romanov to play first pairing minutes and he should be ready.

Anderson-Dvorak- Drouin
Caufield-Suzuki-Toffoli
Lehkonen/Armia-Evans-Byron
Pezzeta-Poehling-Dauphin
Rookie/veteran


Petry-Romanov
Savard-Clague
Geertsen-Niku
Veteran

 

[calder candidate]

Chariot, Petry, Price, Gallagher, Savard, Kulak, Wideman, Allen, Perrault, Weber are all available this trade deadline if the return is good enough.

These are the team can could be potential buyer and there top prospect who would make the best trade partner?

Minesota:
Prospect: Boldy, Wallstedt, Khusnutdinov, Rossi, Beckman, Khovanov, Kahkonen, Sturm
Bad Contract: Rask

Vegas
Prospect : Brisson, Elvenes, Morozov, Cormier, Ahac
Bad Contract : Martinez, Dadonov

Anahein
Prospect : Perreault, Dostal
Bad Contract: Silverberg

Nashville
Prospect : Askarov, Afanasyev, Chistyakov, Farrance, Evangelista
Bad Contract: Weber*

St-Louis
Prospect : Hofer, Neighbours, Alexandrov
Bad Contract:

Calgary
Prospect : Zary, Pelletier, Pettersen, Poirier, Kuznestsov
Bad Contract: Lucic

Colorado
Prospect : Barron, Timmins, Kaut, Bowers, Annunen, Zhuravlyov, Beaucage
Bad Contract:

Edmonton
Prospect : Broberg, Bourgault, Holloway, Lavoie, Benson
Bad Contract:

Winnipeg
Prospect : Heinola, Perfetti, Samberg, Gustafsson, Vesalainen, Torgerson
Bad Contract:

Tampa Bay
Prospect : Barre-Boulet, Alnefelt, Grosev,
Bad Contract: Seabrook

Carolina
Prospect : Suzuki, Bean, Geekie, Rees, Ponomaryov, Bokk, Gunler, Puistola, Koivunen, Nybeck Morrow, Pashin
Bad Contract: Skjei, Kotkaniemi*

Washington
Prospect : Mcmichael, Lapierre, Alexeyeve, Leason, Portas
Bad Contract:

Toronto:
Prospect : Amirov, Robertson, Niemela, Hirvonen, Lijegren,
Bad Contract:

New York
Prospect : Kravtsov, Schneider, Jones, Robertson
Bad Contract:

Florida
Prospect : Denisenko, Noel, Luotsarainen, Ludvig, Heineman, Heponiemi, Knight
Bad Contract: Bobrovsky

Pittsburgh
Prospect : Poulin, Legare,
Bad Contract:

Detroit
Prospect : Berggen, Wallinder, McIssac, Johansson, Niederbach, Viro, Cossa
Bad Contract:

Boston: DeBrusk
Prospect :Lysell, Beecher, Studnicka, Swayman, Vladar, Lauko, Zboril
Bad Contract:

 

[sampollock]

The first deal made will crash this site
Should be a good discussion