HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #91: 2025 Trade Deadline edition

[TheArch]

So you don't know how to read either...show me where I said I'm looking for a quick fix, let alone getting O'Reilly? I'm telling you what the team said, period. But go on with thinking you know it all.

Hughes and Gorton said they would not spend for quick fix. Sorry if I misread you or the topic. Keeping Evans and losing him this summer OR overpaying him is a quick fix that would be stupid. Trying to get O'Reilly / Crosby etc would be plain horrible.

 

[Habs]

Crosby's a PPG centreman and the greatest hockey player of his generation. He's still got the fire too. Any team in the league would be happy to acquire him.

Not in a rebuild

 

[TomKosto]

All that Crosby talk…who are we giving up for him? Dont tell me Dach… Gonna cost a lot, and we are in a rebuild. Only way Hughes gonna get a 32+ yold vet is via Ufa. He said multiple time he has a vision for this team, won’t sacrifice premium youth for an aging Crosby.

 

[sampollock]

There are no 2nd centers to be traded at the TDL, unless you're buying a rental. It's not the right context for doing hockey trades. If there were any trades to be made of this kind, they would have made them happen after the Christmas break.yup

that is why I mentioned before the draft is our playoffs, KH will do something then

 

[Guy Larose]

Hughes and Gorton said they would not spend for quick fix. Sorry if I misread you or the topic. Keeping Evans and losing him this summer OR overpaying him is a quick fix that would be stupid. Trying to get O'Reilly / Crosby etc would be plain horrible.

Again, you reading things out of thin air as I never spoke to all that and a quick fix. Crosby is another story as he'd be a benefit to any rebuilding team to mentor the kids. Building a team is more than drafting and anyone that thinks otherwise, don't know what they're talking about.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I think ROR would actually be a perfect stop gap move for us...

I'd prefer a better option like Crosby or Malkin, of course, but a mid-30s vet with high character/competitiveness & able to hold down a top 6 C spot reliably for the next 2-3 seasons is exactly what we need.

Hage, Beck, Kapanen give us 3 legit shots at internally developing a quality top 6C, in 3-4 years it's reasonable to expect that if any of them are going to hit that level, they'd be showing it by then.

Malkin and Crosby have both stated they prefer to wrap things up in Pitt... But if either change their mind, I bet KH would make sure the Habs are front runners and make a competitive offer

I think that's too much wishful thinking and falling in the same pattern of the last 30 years, you need to address this position thoroughly.

Unless you get a Crosby, which would open up a small window, I think you need to adopt a more aggressive approach concerning this hole in the lineup.

Even if it means parting from a good roster player.

 

[Habs]

No, because he's still amazing and you have no clue what your talking about. Go back and hope in the tank thread because you're bad at this.

lol ok little crybaby. Let's rebuild by tying up our cap with a 38 yr old next year, great plan. It's just such a realistic expectation to assume he continues his production after leaving a franchise of generational players and comes to Montreal.

oh and wow.. go back and hope in the tank thread? Hope we don't draft 15th instead of 5th? You really got me there

 

[ReHabs]

Not in a rebuild

If we miss the playoffs next year the rebuild has gone badly. So it's a matter of definitions and expectations at this point. I think Crosby's caphit is easily swallowed -- we simply gotta get rid of the bums Gallagher and Anderson.

A year4 Slafkovsky (1OA), a year3 Reinbacher, a year4 Hutson, a year2 Demidov... that's nuclear of the Hughes Rebuild and they'll all be on the NHL lineup. Losing and missing the playoffs next year doesn't help anyone, so might as well try to reinforce the team and make the playoffs.

Whoever we acquire won't be acquired for any pieces that will break our backs. It would be for futures and middling players as the Pens rebuild.

 

[Habs]

All that Crosby talk…who are we giving up for him? Dont tell me Dach… Gonna cost a lot, and we are in a rebuild. Only way Hughes gonna get a 32+ yold vet is via Ufa. He said multiple time he has a vision for this team, won’t sacrifice premium youth for an aging Crosby.

No he just magically gets here apparently without giving up quality young players or a first round pick lol. Lets sell the farm for a 38 yr old!

 

[Habs]

If we miss the playoffs next year the rebuild has gone badly. So it's a matter of definitions and expectations at this point. I think Crosby's caphit is easily swallowed -- we simply gotta get rid of the bums Gallagher and Anderson.

A year4 Slafkovsky (1OA), a year3 Reinbacher, a year4 Hutson, a year2 Demidov... that's nuclear of the Hughes Rebuild and they'll all be on the NHL lineup. Losing and missing the playoffs next year doesn't help anyone, so might as well try to reinforce the team and make the playoffs.

Whoever we acquire won't be acquired for any pieces that will break our backs. It would be for futures and middling players as the Pens rebuild.

Again, giving up an our prospect pool and draft picks for a 38 yr old player is not a good idea and doesn't make sense.

 

[TheArch]

If we miss the playoffs next year the rebuild has gone badly. So it's a matter of definitions and expectations at this point. I think Crosby's caphit is easily swallowed -- we simply gotta get rid of the bums Gallagher and Anderson.

A year4 Slafkovsky (1OA), a year3 Reinbacher, a year4 Hutson, a year2 Demidov... that's nuclear of the Hughes Rebuild and they'll all be on the NHL lineup. Losing and missing the playoffs next year doesn't help anyone, so might as well try to reinforce the team and make the playoffs.

Whoever we acquire won't be acquired for any pieces that will break our backs. It would be for futures and middling players as the Pens rebuild.

False. This playoff things as a measurement of a rebuild is at best bad. What is necessary is to accumulate high end core pieces. As long as you don't have these core pieces, you keep taking decisions helping your chances to get it.

And throwing away assets for short term needs is what you do when you are clearly ready for it, not because some journalists and fans are bored / impatients.

It's year 4, and pretty much all serious contenders spent way more time out of playoffs than that. It's usually 6-7.

 

[ReHabs]

Again, giving up a our prospect pool and draft picks for a 38 yr old player is not a good idea and doesn't make sense.

Which prospects and which 38 year old player?

Mailloux for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach, Struble, and a 1st round pick for Crosby -- you say no?

Everything is a matter of degrees, obviously you'd take Crosby for free so what price is the price point that we can afford to give up in exchange for him?

Another comment: I don't subscribe to "mentorship" talk but Demidov is a hockey freak and super professional, it would be very very cool to have a legendary player in the lockerroom when he first joins. We don't have such a veteran presence at the moment. I imagine it would also benefit Slafkovsky, Beck, etc.

Acquiring Crosby would also send a huge message to players on our roster and across the NHL that we're a serious, ambitious, big-boy team. The question again becomes: how much is that worth?

 

[Guy Larose]

Which prospects and which 38 year old player?

Mailloux for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach, Struble, and a 1st round pick for Crosby -- you say no?

Everything is a matter of degrees, obviously you'd take Crosby for free so what price is the price point that we can afford to give up in exchange for him?

Another comment: I don't subscribe to "mentorship" talk but Demidov is a hockey freak and super professional, it would be very very cool to have a legendary player in the lockerroom when he first joins. We don't have such a veteran presence at the moment. I imagine it would also benefit Slafkovsky, Beck, etc.

Acquiring Crosby would also send a huge message to players on our roster and across the NHL that we're a serious, ambitious, big-boy team. The question again becomes: how much is that worth?

I don't always agree with you, but too much common sense in this post for this crowd. If it was up to them they would pick high 20 years in a row, minimum.

 

[ReHabs]

False. This playoff things as a measurement of a rebuild is at best bad. What is necessary is to accumulate high end core pieces. As long as you don't have these core pieces, you keep taking decisions helping your chances to get it.

And throwing away assets for short term needs is what you do when you are clearly ready for it, not because some journalists and fans are bored / impatients.

I don't count playoff appearances as worthwhile, my benchmark is playoff series wins.

Regarding your comment, the transition from 'do anything to acquire future core players' and 'win playoff series' is what we're talking about here. If you think we're not at that point, so be it, but many other teams didn't start with Suzuki, Caufield, and Guhle in the bag and NHL-ready.

It's year 4, and pretty much all serious contenders spent way more time out of playoffs than that. It's usually 6-7.

There's no rule and no method. It's not even worth pretending there is. VGK and STL should remind you of that.

 

[TheArch]

Which prospects and which 38 year old player?

Mailloux for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach, Struble, and a 1st round pick for Crosby -- you say no?

Everything is a matter of degrees, obviously you'd take Crosby for free so what price is the price point that we can afford to give up in exchange for him?

Another comment: I don't subscribe to "mentorship" talk but Demidov is a hockey freak and super professional, it would be very very cool to have a legendary player in the lockerroom when he first joins. We don't have such a veteran presence at the moment. I imagine it would also benefit Slafkovsky, Beck, etc.

Acquiring Crosby would also send a huge message to players on our roster and across the NHL that we're a serious, ambitious, big-boy team. The question again becomes: how much is that worth?

I don't know in what kind of universe you think you would get Crosby while unloading your crappy assets ? Dach at this point is a negative value asset, Mesar is a clear bust, Mailloux is no NHL material for some scouts.

Sure, if you can get Crosby while dumping shitty assets, I'd go got it. But most likely you will need a top established player, a top prospect and a top pick, to start with.

Let's says something like :

Caufield, Rainbacher and unprotected 1st

 

[habdynasty]

Crosby is washed, 2 years left in Pitt then hang up the skates. .

 

[ReHabs]

I don't know in what kind of universe you think you would get Crosby while unloading your crappy assets ? Dach at this point is a negative value asset, Mesar is a clear bust, Mailloux is no NHL material for some scouts.

Sure, if you can get Crosby while dumping shitty assets, I'd go got it. But most likely you will need a top established player, a top prospect and a top pick, to start with.

Let's says something like :

Caufield, Rainbacher and unprotected 1st

The chat here assumes Crosby wants a trade to MTL and only MTL and PIT doesn't hold out for the maximum return out of respect for Crosby who extended with them when he didn't need to. So we're wondering what is the most we'd pay in this scenario.

Now you see the difference is in degrees not in kind. So what is the most YOU'D pay in this scenario?

 

[Ozmodiar]

Ryan O'reilly would make for an excellent Monahan substitute for a couple seasons IMO. He can still produce and he's as durable as they come. If the preds are going full firesale I'd target him hard.

I’d like to see Evans (+?) for a first, then flip to acquire ROR. Adding a prospect to the ROR trade.

 

[japhi27returns]

I want a young 2C but no team is trading these guys. Dach, Middlestadt, KK were supposed to be solve this problem for their teams and look how thats working out. Even a guy like Monahan, will ppg, misses 30 games a year.

Only way you get a true young top 6 C is trading a premium asset - CC, Demi, Rein. Or a stupid package of picks, 3 1sts kind of package. And of course no one here wants to do that, so there we are.

So I’d temper expectations. I expect we will stopgap with a veteran middle 6 type C. I just can’t see us getting anything decent for a 2 firsts type package. Will have to come from the draft.

 

[TheArch]

I don't count playoff appearances as worthwhile, my benchmark is playoff series wins.

Regarding your comment, the transition from 'do anything to acquire future core players' and 'win playoff series' is what we're talking about here. If you think we're not at that point, so be it, but many other teams didn't start with Suzuki, Caufield, and Guhle in the bag and NHL-ready.


There's no rule and no method. It's not even worth pretending there is. VGK and STL should remind you of that.

Vegas is a unique team, as they started right away with 4 first rounders,

The chat here assumes Crosby wants a trade to MTL and only MTL and PIT doesn't hold out for the maximum return out of respect for Crosby who extended with them when he didn't need to. So we're wondering what is the most we'd pay in this scenario.

Now you see the difference is in degrees not in kind. So what is the most YOU'D pay in this scenario?

Even with this premise, you won't get him by throwing your shitty assets to Pittsburgh. As an exemple you most likely remember the Pacioretty situation ? He wanted out, last contract year, he basically was the one choosing the destination. Only one suitor, Vegas. Pacioretty is no Crosby, and yet we got what was though to be the 3/4th best Vegas prospect + Tatar (VG paid a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd to get him for the playoffs) and a 2nd.

 

[Habs]

Which prospects and which 38 year old player?

Mailloux for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach, Struble, and a 1st round pick for Crosby -- you say no?

Everything is a matter of degrees, obviously you'd take Crosby for free so what price is the price point that we can afford to give up in exchange for him?

Another comment: I don't subscribe to "mentorship" talk but Demidov is a hockey freak and super professional, it would be very very cool to have a legendary player in the lockerroom when he first joins. We don't have such a veteran presence at the moment. I imagine it would also benefit Slafkovsky, Beck, etc.

Acquiring Crosby would also send a huge message to players on our roster and across the NHL that we're a serious, ambitious, big-boy team. The question again becomes: how much is that worth?

Sure, they ask for LM why not, but there is no way that deal gets done. Am I giving up a top 10 pick for Crosby next year? No.

 

[Guy Larose]

What have we accomplished after 93 again that Buffalo hasn't?
Sid is going to ask to come here and the Pens are going to let him walk for nothing.. and I'm the uneducated one here? Priceless. 87 isn't going to want to join a contender folks, he is going to pick Montreal out of all the teams and his best friend in the world.. awesome insight.. you sound super smart.

OMFG If he decides, Pitts has no choice, what don't you get? Back to the tank thread for you. As for Buffalo v Habs, I can't stop laughing so....

 

[JianYang]

The team has just won 3 in a row and within 5 points of a wild card spot.

Second round picks on average give you a 1 in 10 shot of a good player, maybe 2 in 10 of a bottom player. We'd get late 2nds.

So for me 3rd rounders and later id just keep the player to keep moral up as the boys dont need us just tossing in the towel. Have to say, even a late 2nd doesnt do it for me and I'd just keep Evans even if hes walking. Let them get some experience fighting for a spot.

Kind of funny we hear all this trade talk surrounding Evans, all this demand from several teams , all for a 2nd ?

I don't have the exact numbers on the success rate of a 2nd rounder but I know they are low and probably lower than most people here would like to think.

My line of thinking and approach to this tdl is exactly like yours. It would have been different for me if the Habs were still in year 1 of this plan, but I think think they ought to be past the point right now where the main priority is getting as much draft capital as possible.

Besides, if Evans walks, they will still need an NHL ready replacement next year if the Habs want to progress, and the 2nd rounder won't do that. It's very risky to slot in Beck there thinking he is ready to go. The better option is to have an insurance policy at a key position.

 

[japhi27returns]

Ryan O'reilly would make for an excellent Monahan substitute for a couple seasons IMO. He can still produce and he's as durable as they come. If the preds are going full firesale I'd target him hard.

And he fits the culture, and with Demi + Rein gets us into the playoffs. Thats the play, or someone similar.

 

[habdynasty]

Crosby to Montreal hahahahahahaha. No way