HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #91: 2025 Trade Deadline edition

[japhi27returns]

You will ended paying some good assets for a stop gap, while next year there is a generational talent as a consolation price if we're lucky enough to suck once more.

You spend valuable assets for a player that will help the team for the long run, not for a quick fix.

No chance they are willing to go backwards next year, just for a shot at a player. Would be bad for the culture they are building, and I’m not sure with Demi and Rein it would even be possible to be bottom 5.

Time to move forward and make the playoffs.

 

[bleuetbio]

First, Im not embracing theses Crosby talks, its 100% fantaisy. He has been told numerous times that he will be a lifetime Pens as his idol Yzerman did for the Wings and from what we know, probably get an after ice career

Ryan O'reilly would make for an excellent Monahan substitute for a couple seasons IMO. He can still produce and he's as durable as they come. If the preds are going full firesale I'd target him hard.

as well, this team needs a 2nd centre now. great if they draft a guy but that buy is 3/4 years away

I don't think it's wise to spend assets for a stop gap at this point. For the 2 C, it's best to wait until the post season.

If we spend assets, let it be for long term solutions.

That being said, we are entering a very tricky part of the rebuild. The depth chart is starting to get clearer, and the available options on the market to bolster the lineup in a meaningful way, are quite limited.

Only thing I see happening at the TDL, now that Dach is gone, is Evans getting dealt for an overpayment and/or a blockbuster for a top 6 C.

There are no 2nd centers to be traded at the TDL, unless you're buying a rental. It's not the right context for doing hockey trades. If there were any trades to be made of this kind, they would have made them happen after the Christmas break.

I think there is the real debate. We know that there's no 2C on the FA market this summer. We definilty more in a situation to be seller than buyers and most likely we'll be sitters and stay with everyone in place except we could affort an hockey a bit like the Cats did yesterday so for me hockey trades are possibles now too. Our 2 real needs are 2C and top RD. Its gonna tough to get an RD but the honorable

I second what the honorable Pompeius said in ROR if the price is right. He would be there not only for a push to the playoffs but also to mentor Demidov. Having no center for Demidov is a problem and from what we have seen, the problem is a way biger when the guy on the left must be Patrik Laine.

Our long term solution is Demidov and Slaf and both are used like RW (even if I think Slaf must be LW), so we can risk to wait until the summer to find pieces. If we can get that piece now, do it.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Pointless ? I'm pointing to an exemple of good management. TB, without Stamkos, were still vastly superior than Habs are right now. Yet, they did not convinced themselves to stay pat or buy "to please their players". They used this opportunity to unload bad contract (Fillpula) and UFA (Boyle, Bishop, Streit).

Here we have a mediocre team for the last 30+ years, we finally get a rebuild going, and at year 4 we have these fans and journalists crying for help, for signing Evans at wtv salary, etc.

It's year 4. If you fast track "we don't need 2nd round picks", you end up most likely with another mediocre team for a while.

Sell Evans, Armia, maybe Matheson, and even Anderson if there is takers, play your developing kids, and get a better draft pick (getting Desnoyer could be great, and being lucky and winning the lottery and ending up with Misa would be a dream).

If your team keep fighting, good for them.

Something i'd love is some sort of package deal to NJ for Gritsyuk. Most likely they won't trade him, but he would be a hell of a great fit.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Tampa was already established as a decent team at that point and decided to sell at a deadline when they were missing their established 1C. We're a young team trying to pull out of a rebuild and one of the biggest goals at this point is to prevent a losing culture from setting in.

If come every deadline we just sell off UFAs if we're not comfortably in a playoff spot then you could very easily end up with a scenario like Buffalo, where losing is to be expected.

If we were to sell all of Evans, Armia, Matheson and Anderson I can guarantee you'd royally piss off ever single player in that locker room. Management preached that their goal was to be playing meaningful games late into the year, we're at a point where we are. If management then rewards them by selling off then you're going to tank team moral and have a terrible situation in the locker room.

Even if we sold all those players we likely just get something along the lines of a late 1st, 2nd and maybe a 3rd. Then we're heading into next season with our 4th line needing replacement, 100% of our 1st PK unit needing replacement, and a d core of Guhle(injury prone), Carrier, Hutson, Struble, Xhekaj, Mailloux. We'd have a million holes to patch this summer and I'd have a very hard time seeing us successfully patching all of them.

 

[TheArch]

Colorado

2009 : 3th overall, Matt Duchesne.
2010 : 17th, Hishon
2011 : 2th overall, Landeskog
11th, Siemens
2012 : Traded away in the Varlamov deal.
2013 : 1st, McKinnon
2014 : 23th, Bleakley
2015 : 10th, Rantanen
2016 : 10th, Jost
2017 : 4th (the finished dead last 9 years into their rebuild), Makar

When you look at Edmonton or TB, you get a similar overall picture. Florida missed playoffs for 10 straight years.

Sure you get a St-Louis sometime : yet you will point at a team that never been shy to sell a TD even if they were close to a playoff spot.

 

[Benstheman]

I don't know in what kind of universe you think you would get Crosby while unloading your crappy assets ? Dach at this point is a negative value asset, Mesar is a clear bust, Mailloux is no NHL material for some scouts.

Sure, if you can get Crosby while dumping shitty assets, I'd go got it. But most likely you will need a top established player, a top prospect and a top pick, to start with.

Let's says something like :

Caufield, Rainbacher and unprotected 1st

Lol asti

 

[red devil]

 

[Benstheman]

Sure, they ask for LM why not, but there is no way that deal gets done. Am I giving up a top 10 pick for Crosby next year? No.

You won’t get a top 10 pick next year, no matter if we get Crosby or not.

Crosby is washed, 2 years left in Pitt then hang up the skates. .

Lol asti encore plus.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

First, Im not embracing theses Crosby talks, its 100% fantaisy. He has been told numerous that he will be a lifetime Pens as his idol Yzerman did for the Wings and from what we know, probably get an after ice








I think there is the real debate. We know that there's no 2C on the FA market this summer. We definilty more in a situation to be seller than buyers and most likely we'll be sitters and stay with everyone in place except we could affort an hockey a bit like the Cats did yesterday so for me hockey trades are possibles now too. Our 2 real needs are 2C and top RD. Its gonna tough to get an RD but the honorable

I second what the honorable Pompeius said in ROR if the price is right. He would be there not only for a push to the playoffs but also to mentor Demidov. Having no center for Demidov is a problem and from what we have seen, the problem is a way biger when the guy on the left must be Patrik Laine.

Our long term solution is Demidov and Slaf and both are used like RW (even if I think Slaf must be LW), so we can risk to wait until the summer to find pieces. If we can get that piece now, do it.

Plus, ROR has 2 years left on a team friendly deal, he won't be a long term anchor, we get exactly what we need from him and then we can transition to Hage or who ever else if ready for prime time.

 

[JianYang]

Hughes and Gorton said they would not spend for quick fix. Sorry if I misread you or the topic. Keeping Evans and losing him this summer OR overpaying him is a quick fix that would be stupid. Trying to get O'Reilly / Crosby etc would be plain horrible.

There could be different interpretations of what quick fix means. Trading for carrier could be considered a quick fix.

You can't just keep trading your established guys for draft picks forever. That's a recipe for a perpetual rebuild. They need to either keep evans or have an nhl ready replacement for him by next year.

They have accumulated a ton of jigsaw peices. It's time to unscramble them and start connecting some peices.

 

[Miller Time]

I think that's too much wishful thinking and falling in the same pattern of the last 30 years, you need to address this position thoroughly.

I get the PTSD... But nothing about the past 3 years of organizational leadership reflects "the same pattern of the last 30years", nor does our current roster & prospect pool.

Our young core is the best U25 collection of talent we've seen in 30+ yrs, and our "not in NHL" prospect group has never been better.

Unless you get a Crosby, which would open up a small window, I think you need to adopt a more aggressive approach concerning this hole in the lineup.

Even if it means parting from a good roster player.

The main goal is to build a sustainable contending roster. Being aggressive in adding the right pieces is certainly the right approach. Not sure there's any reason to doubt that this is the intent... Fortunately, they don't seem inclined to do so carelessly or just for the sake of making a big splash.

Either way, I still think the most likely & needed addition is a quality top 6 veteran C. Sure, adding an elite C (or elite any position player) is always welcome, but we're not in the need of chasing that. Elite #1 RD, if anything, would be the key position to bet the farm on should one become available imo

 

[red devil]

What's with this Crosby talk he isn't waiving his NMC to come to a rebuilding team. He may waive it in his last year of his contract to go to a contender and that would have to be the right situation. I'm thinking that Colorado would be the only team he would do it for in another couple of years

 

[TheArch]

Tampa :

2008 : 1st, Stamkos
2009 : 2nd, Hedman + 29th, bust.
2010 : 6th, Connolly
2011 : 27th, Namesnikov
2012 : 10th, kokkeek + 19th, Vasilevskyi
2013 : 3th, Drouin

Still ended 3th worst in the league at year 6.

 

[vokiel]

And that cliff jump was really visible. The guy looked like a Norris candidate for maybe 20 games, then he disappeared with off games most of the time. I wouldn't count him on a short list of vet to acquire next season unless his next term was short and the AAV advantageous. A bullet dodged this season.

 

[habdynasty]

What's with this Crosby talk he isn't waiving his NMC to come to a rebuilding team. He may waive it in his last year of his contract to go to a contender and that would have to be the right situation. I'm thinking that Colorado would be the only team he would do it for in another couple of years

Don’t break the dreamers hearts man. . Crosby to the sharks lol

 

[Miller Time]

What's with this Crosby talk he isn't waiving his NMC to come to a rebuilding team. He may waive it in his last year of his contract to go to a contender and that would have to be the right situation. I'm thinking that Colorado would be the only team he would do it for in another couple of years

Doubt he waived at all based on what hes said publicly...

And, should he change his mind, Habs are likely to be the frontrunners for a host of reasons already well discussed.

 

[DAChampion]

If we miss the playoffs next year the rebuild has gone badly. So it's a matter of definitions and expectations at this point. I think Crosby's caphit is easily swallowed -- we simply gotta get rid of the bums Gallagher and Anderson.

A year4 Slafkovsky (1OA), a year3 Reinbacher, a year4 Hutson, a year2 Demidov... that's nuclear of the Hughes Rebuild and they'll all be on the NHL lineup. Losing and missing the playoffs next year doesn't help anyone, so might as well try to reinforce the team and make the playoffs.

Whoever we acquire won't be acquired for any pieces that will break our backs. It would be for futures and middling players as the Pens rebuild.

Agreed, it is an obligation of Hughes to go hard for the playoffs next year.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

What's with this Crosby talk he isn't waiving his NMC to come to a rebuilding team. He may waive it in his last year of his contract to go to a contender and that would have to be the right situation. I'm thinking that Colorado would be the only team he would do it for in another couple of years

Because Habs were his favorite team. If he were to move it would likely be to the Habs, if he thought there was a chance to win, or a Cup favorite.

 

[Treb]

What's with this Crosby talk he isn't waiving his NMC to come to a rebuilding team. He may waive it in his last year of his contract to go to a contender and that would have to be the right situation. I'm thinking that Colorado would be the only team he would do it for in another couple of years

You should have stopped your post after NMC.

Crosby is not leaving Pittsburgh. He's been clear he wants to do a Lemieux/Yzerman.

 

[TheArch]

No chance they are willing to go backwards next year, just for a shot at a player. Would be bad for the culture they are building, and I’m not sure with Demi and Rein it would even be possible to be bottom 5.

Time to move forward and make the playoffs.

I'm sure they won't go backward. But as they stated so often, they won't spend for a quick fix. They'll try to hit a real long term solution at C and right D. The point is they aren't in a position to rush anything, or to panic. It's year 4, they knows that. I'd guess if they can't hit a long term solution, that may try to overpay a UFA for 2 years, OR to acquire a "bad contract", as they did with Monahan.

 

[red devil]

Delete

 

[DAChampion]

I don't count playoff appearances as worthwhile, my benchmark is playoff series wins.

My benchmark is being competitive in the playoffs.

So for example, the 2011 Habs that lost in a game 7 OT to Boston, that counts. The 2020 Habs that lost in the 1st round to the Flyers, that counts. Because they fought hard.

The 2013 and 2017 that were massacred in the first round by Ottawa and New York respectively? Doesn't count.

 

[japhi27returns]

Also, I see FLA being referenced as a successful rebuild. Hardly. Their rebuild was a mess. Where they started having success was on the pro scouting side. Reinhart, Bennet, MK, Bob, Verhaege. They didn’t draft any of these guys.

They had a decent core, really actually only one superstar in Barkov, then got aggressive on the trade front and had some luck in MK wanting out.

Zito decided he wanted to win and made moves to get there. Thats the game we should be playing. Our core of Suzuki, CC, Slaf, Guhle, Demi, Hutson, Rein is better than Florida's when Zito decided it was time to turn the corner.

I played for Dave Dunn and he used to always say losing breeds losers. I agree, time to turn the corner.

 

[TheArch]

Don’t break the dreamers hearts man. . Crosby to the sharks lol

I'd love the chaos to see Crosby being traded to Washington.

Also, I see FLA being referenced as a successful rebuild. Hardly. Their rebuild was a mess. Where they started having success was on the pro scouting side. Reinhart, Bennet, MK, Bob, Verhaege. They didn’t draft any of these guys.

They had a decent core, really actually only one superstar in Barkov, then got aggressive on the trade front and had some luck in MK wanting out.

Zito decided he wanted to win and made moves to get there. Thats the game we should be playing. Our core of Suzuki, CC, Slaf, Guhle, Demi, Hutson, Rein is better than Florida's when Zito decided it was time to turn the corner.

I played for Dave Dunn and he used to always say losing breeds losers. I agree, time to turn the corner.

Florida is no exemple indeed ! At least not before the actually tanked. They missed the playoffs 11 in a row, giving away first round picks like candies. And then year 12th they make it, and ended up close to dead last for 4 more years. Barkov, Ekblad, Huberdeau etc. They did an awesome job lately with their trades and UFA signing.

 

[Habs]

OMFG If he decides, Pitts has no choice, what don't you get? Back to the tank thread for you. As for Buffalo v Habs, I can't stop laughing so....

Montreal the last 20+ years vs Buffalo and how our stats match
- but go ahead and think we are some superior franchise lol

Buffalo's stats

 

[TheArch]

Lol asti

Exactement, lol asti. Yet it would most likely be the price for 2 years of Crosby.