HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #91: 2025 Trade Deadline edition

[Agalloch]

I assume we keep Dvorak (Dach injury and not much centers in Laval to replace), and Savard (Guhle's injury...), but we trade Armia and Evans.

 

[TheArch]

For sure there will be, the issue is timing. If we could wait for that pick to develop that is fine, but given where the team is, do we just accept another 2-3 years going by before we are competing ?

I think Hughes made a mistake in not having another high ceiling C in the system and just counting on Dach. The cost of a legit in prime 2C is priceless, almost. So draft or trade for D+ prospects , gives you 2-3 quality darts. Look at the Kings and how many Cs they have drafted and gone through.

So thats an issue, draft high and wait, or trade and get a player for the now.

Year 4. A rebuild is usually 6-7 years, with a lot of data to support this. Sell Evans, Armia, and maybe Matheson. Get one of Desnoyer, Bear, O'Brian. This summer, swing only if you can get a sure top C and/or top D. If not, wait. McKenna is our year 5 McKinnon, Draistl, etc.

Trying to speed things up has been horrible for pretty much every single rebuilding team.

 

[MrNasty]

We routinely laughed about MB saying it was near impossible to get a top 6 centre. We laughed each time we landed Dach and Newhook and Monahan.
Look at us now. Monahan is gone and the other two will never be centres.
Beck is close, Hage is coming, but we still have a massive hole at centre and we are going to trade Evans and Dvorak.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

We routinely laughed about MB saying it was near impossible to get a top 6 centre. We laughed each time we landed Dach and Newhook and Monahan.
Look at us now. Monahan is gone and the other two will never be centres.
Beck is close, Hage is coming, but we still have a massive hole at centre and we are going to trade Evans and Dvorak.

The fact he never invested in resources from a skill point or development perspective also says it all. Won't trade for one or ensure draft pick turns into one. What a dipshit

 

[BergevinBurner]

Tampa Bay, after 108, 102 and 97 pts seasons, decided to sell sitting at 3 pts from a playoffs spot.

In a season where Stamkos was out with a season ending injury... Sort of a pointless comparison to make.

 

[TheArch]

We routinely laughed about MB saying it was near impossible to get a top 6 centre. We laughed each time we landed Dach and Newhook and Monahan.
Look at us now. Monahan is gone and the other two will never be centres.
Beck is close, Hage is coming, but we still have a massive hole at centre and we are going to trade Evans and Dvorak.

Desnoyers, please and thank you, than McKenna (not a C) next year.

We are not "one Evans" away from being good.

 

[26Mats]

To MIN: Armia and Evan's

To MTL: 1st + Hartman bad contract

Is it worth taking on Hartman's contract to get a 1st?

 

[Steve Shutt]

Hoping HuGo bring in some reinforcements for Laval. Vets like Chris Terry (Bridgeport), Seth Griffith (Bakersfield), Alex Belzile (Hartford), and Cole Guttman (Rockford) are all playing for AHL teams that are most likely missing the AHL playoffs. I wouldn't want to pay much but certainly flipping a late pick or two to help the team would be sweet.

Curious if we have any NCAA or European players that might be eligible to join Laval late in the season

 

[Egresch]

We are not "one Evans" away from being good.

That is 100% true. Keeping Evans does not make us contenders. We are still 2-3 years away.

 

[Steve Shutt]

To MIN: Armia and Evan's

To MTL: 1st + Hartman bad contract

Is it worth taking on Hartman's contract to get a 1st?

Two more years at 4M. Curious about his play. Could we flip him if we retain 50% and try moving him at 2M?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

To MIN: Armia and Evan's

To MTL: 1st + Hartman bad contract

Is it worth taking on Hartman's contract to get a 1st?

With the cap going up i can't see Hartman causing an issue for the Wild unless he does another stupid thing, or they're already done with him because of that.

Minnesota traded this year's 1st for Jiricek, so i can't imagine they trade it to get rid of a player/to acquire UFAs.

 

[Deus ex machina]

I was looking at Florida's cap situation after the Seth Jones trade and i think they'll probably have to shed some salary.

The likely trade candidates are Rodrigues and Luostarinen at F. Maybe Mikkola at D.

I'm not sure Rodrigues is tradable with his contract, so how about a deal centered on Luostarinen and Jake Evans (50% retained by either MTL or a 3rd party)?

Florida arguably don't get weaker for their cup run and clear more than 2M of cap space now and to help them sign their UFAs in the summer. Plus they get another right shot F, something they seem to lack.

MTL get a big LH bottom 6 C that help them now and for 2 more years after that at 3M.

Armia at 50% could also be added to the deal if they want him.

 

[TheArch]

Yes because Crosby is on the same level as the other players you mentioned lmao. Just for his leadership alone he'd be worth it, plus he's still playing awesome. Bad take is bad.

Nope. It would be the stupidest thing to do, ever, UNLESS Montreal us the only place he wants to play. And even then, you basically overpay so you get worst picks during a rebuild. We're at year 4. And it's not like we've hit much outside Hutson and Demidov. Patience is key.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Not sure if it's worth trading Evans for a late 2nd when we're 3 points out of a playoff spot. Not the best message to send to Suzuki, Anderson and others who have been busting their asses all year while playing injured. If the best we're getting is a late-2nd, I would just consider Evans a late-season rental that we didn't trade assets for.

I know we drafted Hutson with a late-2nd but that's super rare. We have a hard time hitting with late 1st round picks. Also, we have a boatload of picks already.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I was looking at Florida's cap situation after the Seth Jones trade and i think they'll probably have to shed some salary.

The likely trade candidates are Rodrigues and Luostarinen at F. Maybe Mikkola at D.

I'm not sure Rodrigues is tradable with his contract, so how about a deal centered on Luostarinen and Jake Evans (50% retained by either MTL or a 3rd party)?

Florida arguably don't get weaker for their cup run and clear more than 2M of cap space now and to help them sign their UFAs in the summer. Plus they get another right shot F, something they seem to lack.

MTL get a big LH bottom 6 C that help them now and for 2 more years after that at 3M.

Armia at 50% could also be added to the deal if they want him.

Luostarinen isn't really a centre. He'd replace Armia, but that's not a bad option to replace Armia with at all.

That said Florida will have 20 mill in space.

They need a backup goalie, so around 1 mill. 1 depth dman and 1 ok dman, so max like 3.

Then they need 3 forwards, 2 depth forwards and probably would like a middle 6, or better forward.

They have the room to bring back Bennett, fill their team out and still have space.

 

[TheArch]

Not sure if it's worth trading Evans for a late 2nd when we're 3 points out of a playoff spot. Not the best message to send to Suzuki, Anderson and others who have been busting their asses all year while playing injured. If the best we're getting is a late-2nd, I would just consider Evans a late-season rental that we didn't trade assets for.

I know we drafted Hutson with a late-2nd but that's super rare. We have a hard time hitting with late 1st round picks. Also, we have a boatload of picks already.

It's not only the pick. It's the standing, it's the fact we're a rebuilding team. It amazes me how we look at TB management, how we are impressed, and how we forget they decided to be sellers at 3 pts from a playoff spots, and they were absolute contender.

Habs is not. Year 4, and people want to keep our UFAs for some short term fun.

Year 4.

 

[DAChampion]

Crosby's a PPG centreman and the greatest hockey player of his generation. He's still got the fire too. Any team in the league would be happy to acquire him.

If Sidney Crosby ages like Chris Chelios or Jaromir Jagr, or even half as well, he could be productive a lot longer than a lot of other centers being discussed, like Sam Bennett.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Luostarinen isn't really a centre. He'd replace Armia, but that's not a bad option to replace Armia with at all.

That said Florida will have 20 mill in space.

They need a backup goalie, so around 1 mill. 1 depth dman and 1 ok dman, so max like 3.

Then they need 3 forwards, 2 depth forwards and probably would like a middle 6, or better forward.

They have the room to bring back Bennett, fill their team out and still have space.

Yeah, i guess you're right.

I was under the impression that Florida didn't have enough cap space to sign both Bennett and Ekblad with all the posts that we see here suggesting the Habs sign Bennett.

 

[Deebs]

I can't be the only one who appreciates Strubles contribution in recent games.
He's starting to show a bit of a mean streak that I'm beginning to enjoy very much.
He also doesn't lose those shoving matches. Landing on top is always best.

You are not and I might even say I have Barney Struble slightly ahead of Arber for the LD spot on the 3rd pairing going into camp next year. His skating ability in comparison to Arber is the main differential. It's not that Arber has played terrible this year, I was just expecting another step given the extra games he's played than JS has.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Yeah, i guess you're right.

I was under the impression that Florida didn't have enough cap space to sign both Bennett and Ekblad with all the posts that we see here suggesting the Habs sign Bennett.

Given that they around around 23 mill for next off season signing both Ekblad.and Bennett, both of whom would get raises, you'd be looking at likely 15 mill minimum between the 2.

They now have Jones at 7, which is 500k cheaper than Ekblad's current deal and they shipped out Knight, who was around 4 mill.

However, this likely means Ekblad is gone, so Ekblad to Montreal might pick up.

Would be bad as he likely wants 7 years, but 2 years at a high cap hit might be doable.

Like higher than what he would get on a longer term deal.

 

[therocket9]

To MIN: Armia and Evan's

To MTL: 1st + Hartman bad contract

Is it worth taking on Hartman's contract to get a 1st?

It would not be Hartman it would be Trenin....Hartman has no trade clause.

Top free agents and top players with NTC do not want to come to Montreal to play on a non contender and pay high taxes.

 

[Rapala]

In a season where Stamkos was out with a season ending injury... Sort of a pointless comparison to make.

The situations are very similar in terms of value to the team. Some could argue losing Guhle and Dach is actually more costly.

 

[26Mats]

With the cap going up i can't see Hartman causing an issue for the Wild unless he does another stupid thing, or they're already done with him because of that.

Minnesota traded this year's 1st for Jiricek, so i can't imagine they trade it to get rid of a player/to acquire UFAs.

and they just traded a 2nd for Nyquist. So they probably don't want two new forwards.

 

[Rapala]

Not sure if it's worth trading Evans for a late 2nd when we're 3 points out of a playoff spot. Not the best message to send to Suzuki, Anderson and others who have been busting their asses all year while playing injured. If the best we're getting is a late-2nd, I would just consider Evans a late-season rental that we didn't trade assets for.

I know we drafted Hutson with a late-2nd but that's super rare. We have a hard time hitting with late 1st round picks. Also, we have a boatload of picks already.

On the flip side what would resigning a role player to an egregious over-payment say to the players who took team friendly deals so that we would be able to compete in our window. The slope is a lot more slipperier than most understand.

I think the only thing to do providing we win the next game or two is try to buy the guys some help. If the interest in Armia and Evans isn't enough for a first then once again we are over valuing our assets.

 

[Deebs]

Good listen....