HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[sampollock]

The time to shop him was over a year ago.

Now you just gotta wait and see what can happen in the off season.

I agree, I said last TD to move him, but no way

I would rather trade one of our first picks for someone like Beniers or Mercer, if available.

Let say that Seattle is ready to move on from him, would you do that trade as a Habs fan ? He's signed for 7x7.1.

Mercer is not worth a #1

 

[Habs Halifax]

At 50% an acquiring team is paying Gallagher 3.25 mil. I doubt anyone would be willing to do that (unless MB can get Blake to take him). Just buy him out.

You don't buy out players unless you have cap space problems. Learn to live with it and let it expire like Drouin. He's not who he was and he does get smothered with the puck due to his poor skating but he's smart out there most of the time. He's not really costing us goals and MSL is managing his ice time well.

Anderson and Gallaghers 2 years of term left actually helps us with depth while we allow more time for Beck, Kapanen, Roy, and others to mature and be trusted. I find the timing of term and youth development fits. You can apply that with Matheson and Reinbacher as well.

 

[sampollock]

If they trade Matheson who is going to take his minutes. Since the Carrier trade Matheson is playing 25 minutes a night on average (and has been playing better since he doesn’t have to face as tough of matchups as the Guhle-Carrier pairing helps with that). I’d argue that other than Guhle taking power play 2 minutes the defenceman are playing about the right amount of minutes for their talent level right now. It’s a good reason why they are 12-4-2 in this games.

Without Matheson the defence probably looks like:

Hutson-Guhle
Xhekaj-Carrier
Struble-Savard

Or:

Guhle-Carrier
Hutson-Savard
Xhekaj-Struble



A right shot defenceman similar to Guhle would be ideal but what team is looking to trade that player? If a team has a really good right shot defenceman in their system it’s rare to see them traded. Hopefully Reinbacher can be that player but I think he’s at least a few years away from reaching that level.

but keep him and he keeps blowing games and making huge mistakes.
take your pick

 

[Deebs]

but keep him and he keeps blowing games and making huge mistakes.
take your pick

Unless we find a legitimate RD to play with Hutson, we need to hold onto Matty for the time being. That pairing isn't all that great and they really should be separated but that's what we have for the time being.

 

[Egresch]

At 50% an acquiring team is paying Gallagher 3.25 mil. I doubt anyone would be willing to do that (unless MB can get Blake to take him). Just buy him out.

We can kind of afford him for one more year, probably in Pezzetta role, but his last year would be problematic. Xhekaj, Hutson will get salary increase for sure. Matheson will be UFA, so we need to find replacement and both Laine and Dach will need extensions as well. Plus we will need that roster spot with all the young talent coming.
What is actually his trade protection? If I check Puckpedia it says: NMC and 6 team no trade list. So, he needs to agree to be traded and if he agrees he provides that list of 6?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Out before the trade deadline: Matheson ( retained % for good value ) and Dvorak
In : A center like O'Reilly from Nashville and a RD like R. Andersson from Calgary

Both are good vets with few seasons left on their contract. Perfect target to let our young players develop and adapt to the NHL.

We have many chips we can use to complete the trade : 1st pick (top 5 protected) , 1st pick Calgary , Roy, Struble , Matheson 50% retained , Mesar , Engstrom


This season

Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Newhook
Heineman - O'Reilly - Anderson
Gallagher - Evans - Armia

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard


Next season


Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heineman - O'Reilly - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Mailloux

ROR might be an option... if he is open to playing 2C or 3C. I see a lot of teams thinking they want him at 3C but he might be uninspired in that role and there is less ice time. Might not get the results you expect.

R Anderson does fit our needs very well. Problem is the Flames will not trade him with their playoff run to come. Maybe this is a trade on draft day

Call me crazy but if we were to play ROR 3C, I think we might get similar value if we played Gourde 3C and the cost to acquire is much less. Gourde is use to playing those 3rd line minutes (ROR is not). I said it before and will say it again, Gourde could be our Carrier type add at 3C. Gourde has a fair chance at wanting to stay as well on a team friendly deal (2 years lets say). That means Dvorak and Armia are gone.

 

[SOLR]

Sun gives skin cancer.

Lack of sun too.

 

[Benstheman]

Out before the trade deadline: Matheson ( retained % for good value ) and Dvorak
In : A center like O'Reilly from Nashville and a RD like R. Andersson from Calgary

Both are good vets with few seasons left on their contract. Perfect target to let our young players develop and adapt to the NHL.

We have many chips we can use to complete the trade : 1st pick (top 5 protected) , 1st pick Calgary , Roy, Struble , Matheson 50% retained , Mesar , Engstrom


This season

Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Newhook
Heineman - O'Reilly - Anderson
Gallagher - Evans - Armia

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard


Next season


Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heineman - O'Reilly - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Mailloux

I would love that. Though the trade for Andersson has to happen only in the summer when we can extend him.

So we keep Matheson for this season and trade him during the summer.

O'Reilly is an interesting trade to make at the deadline and a huge upgrade on Dvorak.

 

[ML16]

Out before the trade deadline: Matheson ( retained % for good value ) and Dvorak
In : A center like O'Reilly from Nashville and a RD like R. Andersson from Calgary

Both are good vets with few seasons left on their contract. Perfect target to let our young players develop and adapt to the NHL.

We have many chips we can use to complete the trade : 1st pick (top 5 protected) , 1st pick Calgary , Roy, Struble , Matheson 50% retained , Mesar , Engstrom


This season Next season

Caufield - Suz - Slaf Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Newhook Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heineman - O'Reilly - Anderson Heineman - O'Reilly - Newhook
Gallagher - Evans - Armia Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Hutson - R. Andersson Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard Xhekaj - Mailloux

With the Preds falling hard, O’Reilly could indeed be an interesting target ; his impact as a stop-gap middle-6 C stabiliser should be similar to Carrier’s with the D corps. Could also provide leverage to the Habs to negotiate a reasonable deal with Evans for the 4C position.

Nashville however already has three 1st and two 2nd next draft; it might be difficult to convince them to move O’Reilly without a quality prospect… Could Dvorak (without retention) + Kapanen make it happen? Habs could also afford to add a 2026 pick (2nd or 3rd) if required.

As for Andersson, that’s another story. CGY doesn’t seem to want to part with him at the moment and it would require quite a haul to convince them… My best offer for a sign-and-trade (around 7M AAV) would likely be something around CGY 1st + PIT 2nd + Matheson + Mailloux/Engstrom.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You don't buy out players unless you have cap space problems. Learn to live with it and let it expire like Drouin. He's not who he was and he does get smothered with the puck due to his poor skating but he's smart out there most of the time. He's not really costing us goals and MSL is managing his ice time well.

Anderson and Gallaghers 2 years of term left actually helps us with depth while we allow more time for Beck, Kapanen, Roy, and others to mature and be trusted. I find the timing of term and youth development fits. You can apply that with Matheson and Reinbacher as well.

Too many 4th liners. Anderson, Armia, Gallagher, Dvorak, Evans etc witrh absolutely no offensive abilty. Can afford a 4th line with no offensive ability but capable of controlling the puck until another line gets on. Need a 3rd line capable at both ends of the ice. Can't win when you are putting all the scoring pressure on 2 lines. Have to beat the other team and the officials/NHL.

 

[Pat Riot]

I would love that. Though the trade for Andersson has to happen only in the summer when we can extend him.

So we keep Matheson for this season and trade him during the summer.

O'Reilly is an interesting trade to make at the deadline and a huge upgrade on Dvorak.

We could trade for Andersson with no extension in place. He still has a contract for next season and we have time to see how Reinbacher develop in the AHL. In 2 season he will be the one playing with Hutson if every things goes according to plan. If hes ready at the trade deadline next season we can recoup some good value in a trade with R. Andersson

 

[Habs Icing]

its time for KH to shop Matheson.
He is a blunder at the wrong time of the game.
As a vet he does not have good hockey sense.
Coughing the puck up vs the Devils, really that is a vet move?

Time to go. Start the phone calls KH

There's another way of looking at it. Matheson didn't cough up the puck, Laine stuck two fingers down MM's throat with that poor pass.

 

[sampollock]

ROR might be an option... if he is open to playing 2C or 3C. I see a lot of teams thinking they want him at 3C but he might be uninspired in that role and there is less ice time. Might not get the results you expect.

R Anderson does fit our needs very well. Problem is the Flames will not trade him with their playoff run to come. Maybe this is a trade on draft day

Call me crazy but if we were to play ROR 3C, I think we might get similar value if we played Gourde 3C and the cost to acquire is much less. Gourde is use to playing those 3rd line minutes (ROR is not). I said it before and will say it again, Gourde could be our Carrier type add at 3C. Gourde has a fair chance at wanting to stay as well on a team friendly deal (2 years lets say). That means Dvorak and Armia are gone.

All the TSN fig media said figs will try to get him

 

[Rapala]

Frickin' RD are such a pain in the ass when you don't have them. I think we can all agree Mike Matheson is not the answer we need for Lane Hutson. We are always pulling the same names out of our hat for our wish list. Is there someone else with some mobility quietly playing good shut down D we can steal? Hutson doesn't need an offensive dynamo he needs steady.

 

[Habs Halifax]

All the TSN fig media said figs will try to get him

There are a few teams that will be in on him. Avs are another.

Frickin' RD are such a pain in the ass when you don't have them. I think we can all agree Mike Matheson is not the answer we need for Lane Hutson. We are always pulling the same names out of our hat for our wish list. Is there someone else with some mobility quietly playing good shut down D we can steal? Hutson doesn't need an offensive dynamo he needs steady.

Dach for Nemec. Extend Evans. Pretty sure the Devils would welcome Dach's size/skating.

Flames 1st, 2nd, and prospect like Mesar for ROR. Not many teams in on ROR will be able to offer a pick from 12-18 range. Maybe the Sens. If we have to add more, we have 2nd's and 3rd rounders to use.

ROR is a good bridge for Hage. Matheson is a good bridge for Reinbacher/Nemec. Carrier moves with Xhekaj when both Reinbacher and Nemec are ready

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Frickin' RD are such a pain in the ass when you don't have them. I think we can all agree Mike Matheson is not the answer we need for Lane Hutson. We are always pulling the same names out of our hat for our wish list. Is there someone else with some mobility quietly playing good shut down D we can steal? Hutson doesn't need an offensive dynamo he needs steady.

And yet people complain when the Habs draft a potential top 2 rd in Reinbacher.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I hope we keep Armia and Evans and trade Matheson and Newhook.

The biggest need for this team right now is stabilizing the defense. Hutson-Matheson as a 1st pair is not durable as an option. Hutson needs a guy with great mobility but way more solid defensively. He literally needs a RH Guhle.

Offensively I think with the arrival of Demidov, we will be more than ok, I would even say top 10 in the league. I would add grit and toughness on the bottom 6 though. A guy like Olivier would be great.

It will be a big test this summer for Kent to see if we have our first Quartexx departure

Have to assume Matheson and Newhook are part of his long term fox hole but I would be pleasantly surprised to see one or both moved

 

[Sterling Archer]

There are a few teams that will be in on him. Avs are another.



Dach for Nemec. Extend Evans. Pretty sure the Devils would welcome Dach's size/skating.

Flames 1st, 2nd, and prospect like Mesar for ROR. Not many teams in on ROR will be able to offer a pick from 12-18 range. Maybe the Sens.

ROR is a good bridge for Hage. Matheson is a good bridge for Reinbacher/Nemec. Carrier moves with Xhekaj when both Reinbacher and Nemec are ready

Who's centering your 2nd line? RoR is not going to get you there as a 2nd line center these days and especially in the future. He's better replacing Dvo than Dach to add to the depth, and not take it away. After a slow start (as was expected) Dach has been on fire lately, is a decade younger then RoR and not close to his prime.

Hard pass for me.

 

[Rapala]

And yet people complain when the Habs draft a potential top 2 rd in Reinbacher.

He won't be ready to take on top 4 next season IMO. I really hope he can get some games in soon.
The people who complain are the same ones who've always complained no matter what.
The funny thing for me is it's mostly about a player who it was made obvious before the draft we were never taking. I don't see too many people who wanted Leonard making huge waves.

 

[Pat Riot]

There are a few teams that will be in on him. Avs are another.



Dach for Nemec. Extend Evans. Pretty sure the Devils would welcome Dach's size/skating.

Flames 1st, 2nd, and prospect like Mesar for ROR. Not many teams in on ROR will be able to offer a pick from 12-18 range. Maybe the Sens. If we have to add more, we have 2nd's and 3rd rounders to use.

ROR is a good bridge for Hage. Matheson is a good bridge for Reinbacher/Nemec. Carrier moves with Xhekaj when both Reinbacher and Nemec are ready

The offer for ROR is more than fair. A deal can be reach with those pieces

Nemec is a good target but I would keep Dach. A trio of Laine-Dach-Demidov could be very good and play many years together

I would prefer to offer something else in a trade for Nemec. Our 1st pick with top 5 protection and a B prospect

 

[Adriatic]

I really like Dach and how he's playing at the moment. I just don't think he's the answer at center long term.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The offer for ROR is more than fair. A deal can be reach with those pieces

Nemec is a good target but I would keep Dach. A trio of Laine-Dach-Demidov could be very good and play many years together

I would prefer to offer something else in a trade for Nemec. Our 1st pick with top 5 protection and a B prospect

Devils are after a center and someone with size/skating. You won't get Nemec unless you offer them something they can use now.

ROR becomes a bridge to Hage. He has 2 more years left. ROR helps us in the faceoff area. Something Dach can't do

 

[expy]

Think we could make a move for Barzal?

 

[ZUKI]

Also vitamin D, which supposedly helps protect against nasty Colds.

Nasty Caule is playing for the Habs

 

[CHfan1]

but keep him and he keeps blowing games and making huge mistakes.
take your pick

I think the positives outweigh the negatives when it relates to Matheson (and I don’t think he’s blown many games, especially since Carrier was acquired and he doesn’t have to face the toughest matchups). Yes he does turnover the puck and has trouble getting his shot through, but not many players on Montreal have his ability to skate out of trouble. He makes a lot of positive plays in his own zone that seem to go unnoticed.

Now at some point Montreal does have to find a right shot replacement for him but there is no one currently in Montreal’s system that can replace him and take over the minutes he plays.

Also, I doubt they could trade him for the equivalent right shot defenceman, they’d definitely have to add due to right shot defenceman being more rare. With one year left on his contract I’m not even sure he’d be the main piece if there was a trade for a right shot defenceman.