HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[ZUKI]

Has the Sun not given you enough?

Sun gives skin cancer.

 

[vokiel]

Sun gives skin cancer.

Also vitamin D, which supposedly helps protect against nasty Colds.

 

[Miller Time]

Wrong thread

 

[ML16]

Yes it would be hard to do especially if they continue to climb upwards.

I'm ok with signing Armia if he wants to stay here and accepts a 1-2 year deal at less than he is making now (which I doubt, but maybe)

I'm convinced Evans will want the best contract possible. This is his one chance. He is very replaceable. If we sign him to that deal we are taking away space and cash.... I want us to be a contender in 3 years. Evans is not a 3C on a contender. Pass unless he signs for 3 (maybe4) years.

Personally I think the Habs may be a slightly worse team next year and sellers again for the last time in many years.

Of course I am also really hoping they win the next 10 games and make a historic run with Dobes carrying the cup at the parade!

Hard to imagine the Habs being slightly worse next season; the addition of Demidov alone should give them quite an edge compared with this year.

The crux of a successful transition from sellers to buyers will be what the Habs decide to do with Matheson, Newhook/Dach and Evans - and maybe to a lesser extent Armia and Gallagher.

Matheson is not a viable option long term; do they package him for a RHD or use him a stop-gap for Reinbacher?

Evans is a viable option long term for the bottom-6/PK, but can common grounds be found on a reasonable contract?

Can Dach finally establish himself as C2 with Demidov and Laine on his wings? If he can’t with them, hard to envision him being able to with anyone…

Can Newhook establish himself a C3? If not, finding an external LHC solution is paramount.

Armia is a viable option short term for the bottom-6/PK, but would he be open to a short term contract?

Gallagher is done, can he be traded with once the Habs recoup their retention spots or simply bought out?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Hard to imagine the Habs being slightly worse next season; the addition of Demidov alone should give them quite an edge compared with this year.

The crux of a successful transition from sellers to buyers will be what the Habs decide to do with Matheson, Newhook/Dach and Evans - and maybe to a lesser extent Armia and Gallagher.

Matheson is not a viable option long term; do they package him for a RHD or use him a stop-gap for Reinbacher?

Evans is a viable option long term for the bottom-6/PK, but can common grounds be found on a reasonable contract?

Can Dach finally establish himself as C2 with Demidov and Laine on his wings? If he can’t with them, hard to envision him being able to with anyone…

Can Newhook establish himself a C3? If not, finding an external LHC solution is paramount.

Armia is a viable option short term for the bottom-6/PK, but would he be open to a short term contract?

Gallagher is done, can he be traded with once the Habs recoup their retention spots or simply bought out?

At 50% an acquiring team is paying Gallagher 3.25 mil. I doubt anyone would be willing to do that (unless MB can get Blake to take him). Just buy him out.

 

[tazsub3]

At 50% an acquiring team is paying Gallagher 3.25 mil. I doubt anyone would be willing to do that (unless MB can get Blake to take him). Just buy him out.

Just reading your message make me once again go crazy on how bad that contract was . Heck in todays dollar it’s horrible , so imagine with the previous cap . And he cried too …lol

 

[JianYang]

Can someone who gets the culture explain why Crosby would want to stay through a rebuild?



Isn't that a weal offer?

Perhaps colorado making more sense for crosby with the recent activity there.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Just reading your message make me once again go crazy on how bad that contract was . Heck in todays dollar it’s horrible , so imagine with the previous cap . And he cried too …lol

He deserved it but you can't pay for past accomplishments. And he would be worth keeping at a lower pay if he he didn't run out of gas 30 games into the schedule.

 

[Pat Riot]

Out before the trade deadline: Matheson ( retained % for good value ) and Dvorak
In : A center like O'Reilly from Nashville and a RD like R. Andersson from Calgary

Both are good vets with few seasons left on their contract. Perfect target to let our young players develop and adapt to the NHL.

We have many chips we can use to complete the trade : 1st pick (top 5 protected) , 1st pick Calgary , Roy, Struble , Matheson 50% retained , Mesar , Engstrom


This season

Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Newhook
Heineman - O'Reilly - Anderson
Gallagher - Evans - Armia

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard


Next season


Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heineman - O'Reilly - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Mailloux

 

[sampollock]

The time to shop him was over a year ago.

Now you just gotta wait and see what can happen in the off season.

I agree, I said last TD to move him, but no way

I would rather trade one of our first picks for someone like Beniers or Mercer, if available.

Let say that Seattle is ready to move on from him, would you do that trade as a Habs fan ? He's signed for 7x7.1.

Mercer is not worth a #1

 

[Habs Halifax]

At 50% an acquiring team is paying Gallagher 3.25 mil. I doubt anyone would be willing to do that (unless MB can get Blake to take him). Just buy him out.

You don't buy out players unless you have cap space problems. Learn to live with it and let it expire like Drouin. He's not who he was and he does get smothered with the puck due to his poor skating but he's smart out there most of the time. He's not really costing us goals and MSL is managing his ice time well.

Anderson and Gallaghers 2 years of term left actually helps us with depth while we allow more time for Beck, Kapanen, Roy, and others to mature and be trusted. I find the timing of term and youth development fits. You can apply that with Matheson and Reinbacher as well.

 

[sampollock]

If they trade Matheson who is going to take his minutes. Since the Carrier trade Matheson is playing 25 minutes a night on average (and has been playing better since he doesn’t have to face as tough of matchups as the Guhle-Carrier pairing helps with that). I’d argue that other than Guhle taking power play 2 minutes the defenceman are playing about the right amount of minutes for their talent level right now. It’s a good reason why they are 12-4-2 in this games.

Without Matheson the defence probably looks like:

Hutson-Guhle
Xhekaj-Carrier
Struble-Savard

Or:

Guhle-Carrier
Hutson-Savard
Xhekaj-Struble



A right shot defenceman similar to Guhle would be ideal but what team is looking to trade that player? If a team has a really good right shot defenceman in their system it’s rare to see them traded. Hopefully Reinbacher can be that player but I think he’s at least a few years away from reaching that level.

but keep him and he keeps blowing games and making huge mistakes.
take your pick

 

[Deebs]

but keep him and he keeps blowing games and making huge mistakes.
take your pick

Unless we find a legitimate RD to play with Hutson, we need to hold onto Matty for the time being. That pairing isn't all that great and they really should be separated but that's what we have for the time being.

 

[Egresch]

At 50% an acquiring team is paying Gallagher 3.25 mil. I doubt anyone would be willing to do that (unless MB can get Blake to take him). Just buy him out.

We can kind of afford him for one more year, probably in Pezzetta role, but his last year would be problematic. Xhekaj, Hutson will get salary increase for sure. Matheson will be UFA, so we need to find replacement and both Laine and Dach will need extensions as well. Plus we will need that roster spot with all the young talent coming.
What is actually his trade protection? If I check Puckpedia it says: NMC and 6 team no trade list. So, he needs to agree to be traded and if he agrees he provides that list of 6?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Out before the trade deadline: Matheson ( retained % for good value ) and Dvorak
In : A center like O'Reilly from Nashville and a RD like R. Andersson from Calgary

Both are good vets with few seasons left on their contract. Perfect target to let our young players develop and adapt to the NHL.

We have many chips we can use to complete the trade : 1st pick (top 5 protected) , 1st pick Calgary , Roy, Struble , Matheson 50% retained , Mesar , Engstrom


This season

Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Newhook
Heineman - O'Reilly - Anderson
Gallagher - Evans - Armia

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard


Next season


Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heineman - O'Reilly - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Mailloux

ROR might be an option... if he is open to playing 2C or 3C. I see a lot of teams thinking they want him at 3C but he might be uninspired in that role and there is less ice time. Might not get the results you expect.

R Anderson does fit our needs very well. Problem is the Flames will not trade him with their playoff run to come. Maybe this is a trade on draft day

Call me crazy but if we were to play ROR 3C, I think we might get similar value if we played Gourde 3C and the cost to acquire is much less. Gourde is use to playing those 3rd line minutes (ROR is not). I said it before and will say it again, Gourde could be our Carrier type add at 3C. Gourde has a fair chance at wanting to stay as well on a team friendly deal (2 years lets say). That means Dvorak and Armia are gone.

 

[SOLR]

Sun gives skin cancer.

Lack of sun too.

 

[Benstheman]

Out before the trade deadline: Matheson ( retained % for good value ) and Dvorak
In : A center like O'Reilly from Nashville and a RD like R. Andersson from Calgary

Both are good vets with few seasons left on their contract. Perfect target to let our young players develop and adapt to the NHL.

We have many chips we can use to complete the trade : 1st pick (top 5 protected) , 1st pick Calgary , Roy, Struble , Matheson 50% retained , Mesar , Engstrom


This season

Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Newhook
Heineman - O'Reilly - Anderson
Gallagher - Evans - Armia

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard


Next season


Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heineman - O'Reilly - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Mailloux

I would love that. Though the trade for Andersson has to happen only in the summer when we can extend him.

So we keep Matheson for this season and trade him during the summer.

O'Reilly is an interesting trade to make at the deadline and a huge upgrade on Dvorak.

 

[ML16]

Out before the trade deadline: Matheson ( retained % for good value ) and Dvorak
In : A center like O'Reilly from Nashville and a RD like R. Andersson from Calgary

Both are good vets with few seasons left on their contract. Perfect target to let our young players develop and adapt to the NHL.

We have many chips we can use to complete the trade : 1st pick (top 5 protected) , 1st pick Calgary , Roy, Struble , Matheson 50% retained , Mesar , Engstrom


This season Next season

Caufield - Suz - Slaf Caufield - Suz - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Newhook Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heineman - O'Reilly - Anderson Heineman - O'Reilly - Newhook
Gallagher - Evans - Armia Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Hutson - R. Andersson Hutson - R. Andersson
Guhle - Carrier Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard Xhekaj - Mailloux

With the Preds falling hard, O’Reilly could indeed be an interesting target ; his impact as a stop-gap middle-6 C stabiliser should be similar to Carrier’s with the D corps. Could also provide leverage to the Habs to negotiate a reasonable deal with Evans for the 4C position.

Nashville however already has three 1st and two 2nd next draft; it might be difficult to convince them to move O’Reilly without a quality prospect… Could Dvorak (without retention) + Kapanen make it happen? Habs could also afford to add a 2026 pick (2nd or 3rd) if required.

As for Andersson, that’s another story. CGY doesn’t seem to want to part with him at the moment and it would require quite a haul to convince them… My best offer for a sign-and-trade (around 7M AAV) would likely be something around CGY 1st + PIT 2nd + Matheson + Mailloux/Engstrom.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You don't buy out players unless you have cap space problems. Learn to live with it and let it expire like Drouin. He's not who he was and he does get smothered with the puck due to his poor skating but he's smart out there most of the time. He's not really costing us goals and MSL is managing his ice time well.

Anderson and Gallaghers 2 years of term left actually helps us with depth while we allow more time for Beck, Kapanen, Roy, and others to mature and be trusted. I find the timing of term and youth development fits. You can apply that with Matheson and Reinbacher as well.

Too many 4th liners. Anderson, Armia, Gallagher, Dvorak, Evans etc witrh absolutely no offensive abilty. Can afford a 4th line with no offensive ability but capable of controlling the puck until another line gets on. Need a 3rd line capable at both ends of the ice. Can't win when you are putting all the scoring pressure on 2 lines. Have to beat the other team and the officials/NHL.

 

[Habs Icing]

I live in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Given the weather least few weeks, I’m not sure the Sun still exists.

It does but Trump took it over. Didn't you hear?

 

[Pat Riot]

I would love that. Though the trade for Andersson has to happen only in the summer when we can extend him.

So we keep Matheson for this season and trade him during the summer.

O'Reilly is an interesting trade to make at the deadline and a huge upgrade on Dvorak.

We could trade for Andersson with no extension in place. He still has a contract for next season and we have time to see how Reinbacher develop in the AHL. In 2 season he will be the one playing with Hutson if every things goes according to plan. If hes ready at the trade deadline next season we can recoup some good value in a trade with R. Andersson