HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024 Off-Season Thread

[Beendair Donedat]

What about putting in a claim for Jeffrey Viel? He’s a very solid AHL player that will score between 15-20 goals there, while providing lots of toughness and physicality for the young Habs in Laval.

Could also be called up for games that require more physicality in the lineup, and would not look out of place on the fourth line.

Added bonus would be that you take him away from the Bruins organization.

 

[MXD]

What about putting in a claim for Jeffrey Viel? He’s a very solid AHL player that will score between 15-20 goals there, while providing lots of toughness and physicality for the young Habs in Laval.

Could also be called up for games that require more physicality in the lineup, and would not look out of place on the fourth line.

Added bonus would be that you take him away from the Bruins organization.

Claiming a guy on waivers only to waive him straight away is frown upon at best.

(Though if you're saying that you'd have him in Montreal before inevitably moving him down, fair enough))

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Claiming a guy on waivers only to waive him straight away is frown upon at best.

(Though if you're saying that you'd have him in Montreal before inevitably moving him down, fair enough))

My thoughts behind it are:

Viel is a solid AHL player, and should score between 15-20 goals in that league, while providing toughness/protection for the younger players there.

Could he play in the NHL? Possibly, he may even be effective in a limited fourth line role.

But Boston and Montreal aren’t going to be trading partners, so I figured he’d have to be claimed, played for a bit and eventually waived/sent down to Laval. And with the season opener coming up, and a high potential for fireworks against the Leafs, Bruins and Senators? Wouldn’t hurt to have some more muscle in the ranks.

 

[MXD]

My thoughts behind it are:

Viel is a solid AHL player, and should score between 15-20 goals in that league, while providing toughness/protection for the younger players there.

Could he play in the NHL? Possibly, he may even be effective in a limited fourth line role.

But Boston and Montreal aren’t going to be trading partners, so I figured he’d have to be claimed, played for a bit and eventually waived/sent down to Laval. And with the season opener coming up, and a high potential for fireworks against the Leafs, Bruins and Senators? Wouldn’t hurt to have some more muscle in the ranks.

That makes sense. I thought you wanted to claim him only to stash him down right away

 

[Hacketts]

lots of interesting names, liked aston-reese when played for the leafs.. seems to be an ideal bottom 6. doubt there's room.

 

[Egresch]

Coco-Suzu-Slafk
Roy-Dach-Newhook
Pelletier-Dvorak-Armia
Heineman-Evans-Anderson
Gallagher/Pezz

At least up until Laine and RHP are back, then we can re-evaluate.

We could even fit in Kapanen if we want by sending down Pezz.

Pezz would 100% get claimed from waivers. Even Stanley cup champions Panthers would claim him to replace guys like Lomberg, Lorentz, Cousins on their 4th line.

 

[26Mats]

I mean that will happen with some of our prospect we fill that are untouchable now


I would take a chance on him, nothing to loose. If it’s doesn’t work we can waive him in 1-2 months and if it work, where getting a free asset. Last time we took a small forward with a high compete level and that produce at high level in the Q from Calgary, it work well !

If we bring in Pelletier, we have to cut one of Kapanen, ABB, or Pez. Who would be your choice?

Kapanen would have to go to Europe. ABB or Pez would have to go on waivers.

 

[morhilane]

If we bring in Pelletier, we have to cut one of Kapanen, ABB, or Pez. Who would be your choice?

Kapanen would have to go to Europe. ABB or Pez would have to go on waivers.

Since the deadline for waivers for the locked roster at 5pm was yesterday, ABB and Pez are staying. And since the Habs aren't cap compliant with 23 players, there is a lot more going down today (some will be recalled on the 9th). Habs never had any intention of taking anyone on waivers.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Since the deadline for waivers for the locked roster at 5pm was yesterday, ABB and Pez are staying. And since the Habs aren't cap compliant with 23 players, there is a lot more going down today (some will be recalled on the 9th). Habs never had any intention of taking anyone on waivers.

Paper-demote Xhekaj and Hutson and we are $2,083 under the cap, assuming PuckPedia's Bonus overage calculation is correct.

 

[26Mats]

Since the deadline for waivers for the locked roster at 5pm was yesterday, ABB and Pez are staying. And since the Habs aren't cap compliant with 23 players, there is a lot more going down today (some will be recalled on the 9th). Habs never had any intention of taking anyone on waivers.

If you claim someone you can't then waive someone to make room?

It was a mistake not taking Tolvanen on waivers. Easy to see in hindsight. But I hope they don't make a mistake like that again.

I assume this is how things will be by Wednesday:

Caufield Suzuki Slaf
Armia Dach Newhook
Roy Dvorak Anderson
Kapanen Evan's Gallagher
Pez, ABB

Matheson Guhle
Hutson Savard
Xhekaj Struble
Barron

Monty
Primes

Laval: Heineman, Mailloux, Engstrom

Fir the record, my lines would be:

Caufield Suzuki Slaf
Kapanen Dach Dvo
Roy Newhook Armia
Anderson Evan's Gallagher
Pez, ABB

I consider sending Roy down to make room for Pelletier

 

[morhilane]

If you claim someone you can't then waive someone to make room?

Waivers are at 2pm every day. Both knowing if you go the guy you claimed and sending your list of waivers. And it take 24 hours for the player waived to be removed from your roster.

 

[26Mats]

Waivers are at 2pm every day. Both knowing if you go the guy you claimed and sending your list of waivers. And it take 24 hours for the player waived to be removed from your roster.

So we could claim Pelletier and paper send down guys like Roy, Xhekaj, and Struble, if the intention was to claim Pelletier today and waive say ABB tomorrow?

 

[morhilane]

So we could claim Pelletier and paper send down guys like Roy, Xhekaj, and Struble, if the intention was to claim Pelletier today and waive say ABB tomorrow?

Sorta, there are some rules after the roster lockdown for I think 24 hours or until the first game regarding the cap hit that needs to remain the same. So it gets a bit complicated.

 

[26Mats]

Sorta, there are some rules after the roster lockdown for I think 24 hours or until the first game regarding the cap hit that needs to remain the same. So it gets a bit complicated.

Yeah, maybe you sit Struble game one and go with Barron, or sit Roy and go with ABB, Pez, or Pelletier in the lineup. And then call back up Struble/Roy for game two, which is the second night of a back to back.

So it seems like of they want Pelletier they can get him. Having said all that, ABB is a player I always wanted to see breakthrough at the NHL level. Even though he's 27, I'm not convinced it's too late for him.

 

[Jaynki]

No intangibles? Tells me you know nothing about the player.

Par for the course, really.

Tell me where he fits and how we could use him and how he is better than what we already have.

Guy haven't been able to crack the f***ing Calgary Flames at 23YO. I mean, his only intangible is being Quebecois at this point.

 

[vokiel]

If we bring in Pelletier, we have to cut one of Kapanen, ABB, or Pez. Who would be your choice?

Kapanen would have to go to Europe. ABB or Pez would have to go on waivers.

Roy or Heineman do not have to clear waivers, the choice is easy.

That said, they better not bring a 5'9" shrimp who's a copy cat of RHP, that makes 0 sense.

 

[26Mats]

Roy or Heineman do not have to clear waivers, the choice is easy.

That said, they better not bring a 5'9" shrimp who's a copy cat of RHP, that makes 0 sense.

Not sure Pelletier is a copy cat of RHP.

 

[vokiel]

Not sure Pelletier is a copy cat of RHP.

Do some watching on youtube then. They're both small fast, feisty left wingers with injury problems and they both have a very similar style on the ice, which imho, we don't really need anymore with Roy, Kapanen, ABB on or around the lineup.

 

[Miller Time]

Tell me where he fits and how we could use him and how he is better than what we already have.

Guy haven't been able to crack the f***ing Calgary Flames at 23YO. I mean, his only intangible is being Quebecois at this point.

That was also true of MSL, and more recently of both Kulak & Byron.

Not specifically making a case that we should pick up Pelletier, but gotta admit the Flames have a pretty ugly track record of putting the wrong guys on waivers.

Pelletier has had a few straight seasons of bad injury luck... But has been great at the AHL level since turning pro. He's not a great fit for us all things considered, but if I'm SJ or CBJ, I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

 

[Rapala]

Paper-demote Xhekaj and Hutson and we are $2,083 under the cap, assuming PuckPedia's Bonus overage calculation is correct.

I'd paper demote Anderson just to make a point.
Go ahead someone claim him.

 

[salbutera]

Tell me where he fits and how we could use him and how he is better than what we already have.

Guy haven't been able to crack the f***ing Calgary Flames at 23YO. I mean, his only intangible is being Quebecois at this point.

to add under Craig Conroy who is talent above all else philosophy GM of a rebuilding team no less

Pelletier is a classic AHL / NHL tweener it seems

 

[calder candidate]

so who is on waiver that could be a bottom 6 or maybe trade at the deadline.

 

[Kosseca]

The best play for pelletier would be to let him go unclaimed and try to trade for him so he can report to Laval. Offer Farrel or Kidney. Cal may be interested in a player that does not need to clear waiver.

 

[Jaynki]

That was also true of MSL, and more recently of both Kulak & Byron.

Not specifically making a case that we should pick up Pelletier, but gotta admit the Flames have a pretty ugly track record of putting the wrong guys on waivers.

Pelletier has had a few straight seasons of bad injury luck... But has been great at the AHL level since turning pro. He's not a great fit for us all things considered, but if I'm SJ or CBJ, I'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

Well he for sure could be of interest for another team. Maybe there is more in him than he displayed.

its just a classic case of a former 1st rd pick francophone otherwise i doubt we would hear about him

 

[26Mats]

Do some watching on youtube then. They're both small fast, feisty left wingers with injury problems and they both have a very similar style on the ice, which imho, we don't really need anymore with Roy, Kapanen, ABB on or around the lineup.

Oh I accept that that's your opinion. I've seen some clips. I'm not ready to make that comparison.

Do we need another small player? No. But I'm fine with bringing in talent at this point in the rebuild, if he is indeed a talent. RHP I don't consider a talent.