Burnt bridges can be rebuilt... I dont think any situation would "eliminate any future contact" btw two clubs (though I suspect some GMs may well hold such grudges as to refuse to deal with each other... But that kind of immaturity doesn't seem to fit either KH or Yzerman)
Agreed, I think that both KH and Yzerman realize this is a business and not personal.
How would a failed OS improve our team? (Premise I replied to was an OS we know will be matched just to Tie up wings cap at higher $)
When I made my comment. I didn't know that the Wings had that much cap space available. So my intention was to get Seider. Knowing what I know now. I honestly wouldn't waste my time making one.
I don't think it's either/or.
But I do think that they are selling the young core on their commitment to build a sustainable cup contending roster... And have been successful thus far getting long term commitments at very team friendly terms as a result. Giving an external RFA a massive premium on a similar long term deal would run the risk of rubbing that same young core the wrong way, and make it unlikely future internal RFAs accept anything less than market premium. I suspect the Blues may face this issue next summer with any of their in house RFAs that have a good year... "Fortunately" for them, they don't have any blue chip prospects to worry about.
If it were just about "improving the team", they could've spent on July 1st... Re-signed/not traded Monahan... Trade picks/prospects for immediate help etc. we'll see very quickly this season how bought in our core is with how mnmgt approached the offseason. I suspect we'll see continued buy in even if the team struggles.
Yes I believe they are trying to set that type of tone. HuGo also got lucky though. They've used Suzuki as the bench mark for salaries. At the time and probably still now, he was/is our best player. Let's switch things around a little bit. Say it was Caufield who they used to set the bench mark. Would Suzuki be happy receiving less money than Caufield, when he is clearly our best player? Eventually someone is going to top Suzuki's salary. Whether it be a current or recently drafted player. Or even a player we add in a trade or that we might happen to OS. So with your way of thinking. We can only add players who make less than Suzuki. In fear of pissing someone off.
I should have been more specific, but I didn't think I had too. Yes I want to improve the team, but only in ways that make sense. Adding an older UFA for example, didn't make sense to me. Unless we could get them at a reasonable price and term. Seeing the contract that Monahan signed with CLB. It didn't make sense to re-sign him. Obtaining the addition 1st rd pick made more sense.
Ok. And from what you know of Seider and of the Red Wings cap & roster/prospect situation, what OS # do you think it takes for him to sign and the red Wings not match?
The premise of 11M as an asshole move to bump up the Wings cap charge was what I called out as unrealistic from every perspective. It's a silly & self-defeating idea that, fortunately, would be completely out of character to the current leadership group.
The premise of an OS that actually gets us the player is a different question...
I think OS are a tool every GM should be ready to use. When MB bungled the Aho OS, the issue was precisely that he made an offer easily and obviously matched (apparently from some misguided idea the Canes owner couldn't/wouldn't match for cash flow reasons IIRC)
I have a hard time seeing the Wings balk at any number that wouldn't also be stupid for us to pay him (plus the 4*1st cost, the first of which might well still be a lottery pick even with Seider in house when you consider our roster as is would have to trim another 5-6M$ by opening day)...
Curious what # you think works?
Knowing now that the Wings have 17m+ in cap space. Plus a few players they can dump off to create even more space. I don't think there is a realistic number that would make an OS feasible.
Yes that's why I called it an asshole move. I also stated that I would do it, because I'm an ass lol I never said that HuGo should or would ever do something like that.
At the time I agreed to the suggestion of sending an OS to Seider. I didn't know what the Wings cap situation was. Now that I do, as I mentioned earlier. I wouldn't waste my time sending one.
I totally agree, an OS can be a valuable tool, if used properly. We can both agree that not a lot of thought was put into the Aho OS by Bergevin.
As I said, I agreed to the suggestion not knowing the Wings cap situation.
You could look at it that way. Or you can look at it as we're adding a valuable player, who will greatly improve our chances of not finishing as a bottom 10 team. Meaning our 4 1st rd picks, won't be as valuable as if we were to keep the team as it is.
HuGo has already proven that they can create cap space if needed. So that would be the last of my worries.
