HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[vokiel]

It’s about credibility - The Fourth Period is run by Pagnotta and Bernstein one of the crew, like saying TSN is credible because of the likes of Bobby Mac vs Eklund…

Fair enough, but I do remember instances of the Fourth Period embellishing their rumors to generate interest. Exact same infuriating practice done by Eklund. They may have improved, or they may have clumsy moments from time to time, but It doesn't remove the stains entirely.

 

[salbutera]

Fair enough, but I do remember instances of the Fourth Period embellishing their rumors to generate interest. Exact same infuriating practice done by Eklund. They may have improved, or they may have clumsy moments from time to time, but It doesn't remove the stains entirely.

I was only replying to “he isn't an insider to any team“ …. Bernstein is very plugged into LAK, I suspect it’s Robitaille who’s his snitch & Brisson when it serves the agents purpose

 

[vokiel]

I was only replying to “he isn't an insider to any team“ …. Bernstein is very plugged into LAK, I suspect it’s Robitaille who’s his snitch & Brisson when it serves purpose

Here's the thing even though there may be a connection it doesn't prevent The Fourth Period from marketing the rumor to generate traffic. That's the reason I look down on Pagnotta, in a very untrustworthy manner. He has something to gain in generating a narrative that isn't so.

 

[salbutera]

Here's the thing even though there may be a connection it doesn't prevent The Fourth Period from marketing the rumor to generate traffic. That's the reason I look down on Pagnotta, in a very untrustworthy manner. He has something to gain in generating a narrative that isn't so.

But Pagnotta’s inching his way into mainstream broadcasting (SN / TSN) which the likes of Eklund never get a shot at - which is why one would expect Pagnotta would think twice of ever jeopardizing his career opportunity by making s*it up….

 

[vokiel]

But Pagnotta’s inching his way into mainstream broadcasting (SN / TSN) which the likes of Eklund never get a shot at - which is why one would expect Pagnotta would think twice of ever jeopardizing his career opportunity by making s*it up….

Don't know anything about it, but if that's the case and The Fourth Period is on-boarded in a way they do not necessarily need to sell rumors to survive, I'll listen.

 

[Blame the referee]

We need Cozens.
Allez Kent…fais ce qu’il faut

 

[bud12]

We need Cozens.
Allez Kent…fais ce qu’il faut

So you want another project?

 

[vokiel]

We need Cozens.
Allez Kent…fais ce qu’il faut

Cozens? He would end up begin another gamble. They'll need to cut a line between their rebuild and their "In the mix" stage. Getting Cozens just does draw that line.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Cozens? He would end up begin another gamble. They'll need to cut a line between their rebuild and their "In the mix" stage. Getting Cozens just does draw that line.

Dylan Cozens is a Buffalo Sabre who showed tons of early promise, has stagnated, and now his value is at an all time low to the point rumors suggest the Sabres might be willing to offload him.

That sounds very familiar.

 

[vokiel]

Dylan Cozens is a Buffalo Sabre who showed tons of early promise, has stagnated, and now his value is at an all time low to the point rumors suggest the Sabres might be willing to offload him.

That sounds very familiar.

Yes, another gamble. I was warm to the idea, but I'm not sure it's the right path.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Yes, another gamble. I was warm to the idea, but I'm not sure it's the right path.

Wrong. it sounds like Eichel etc.

 

[HabzSauce]

What a disaster that franchise is, like we're bad but those guys, yikes!!

The buffalo fraudsters

 

[HabzSauce]

Slaf + for Dahlin

Dahlin would be sick. Or keep slaf and draft Schaefer

 

[HabzSauce]

But to me it’s clear since the laine injury they did not want to contend nor be in the mix .
Hugo are sharp , can you tell me why if they really meant to be in the mix they would keep a goalie like primeau on the team

It's very clear.

I'm sure they had plans to be competitive, but after the shit start, they decided to let the team burn to the ground for one more year.

You don't sit on your hands all this time while Habs are playing like ass if you're trying to be competitive

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It's very clear.

I'm sure they had plans to be competitive, but after the shit start, they decided to let the team burn to the ground for one more year.

You don't sit on your hands all this time while Habs are playing like ass if you're trying to be competitive

What were they going to do? No one was going to trade a scoring line forward at the beginning of the season and they were not going to give up significant assets for a fill in this early in the rebuild.

 

[HabzSauce]

What were they going to do? No one was going to trade a scoring line forward at the beginning of the season and they were not going to give up significant assets for a fill in this early in the rebuild.

You do something.

Rags traded trouba
B's fired Montgomery
Avs trading for blackwood

Those are big boy teams I know but Habs wouldn't have had to do much to improve. Not even scoring forwards. Could have traded for stop gap bottom 6 help. A decent backup goalie. 1-2 trades would have been sufficient

Not saying that was right move but that's exactly why I think they decided to pivot. Otherwise what the hell did they mean when they said we will be in the mix this year?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You do something.

Rags traded trouba
B's fired Montgomery
Avs trading for blackwood

Those are big boy teams I know but Habs wouldn't have had to do much to improve. Not even scoring forwards. Could have traded for stop gap bottom 6 help. A decent backup goalie. 1-2 trades would have been sufficient

Not saying that was right move but that's exactly why I think they decided to pivot. Otherwise what the hell did they mean when they said we will be in the mix this year?

That was before Laine went down. And anything other than adding a scoring line forward or a real impact player wasn't going to salvage this season.

 

[HabzSauce]

That was before Laine went down. And anything other than adding a scoring line forward or a real impact player wasn't going to salvage this season.

Definitely wouldn't salvage the season no but it would improve the habs. Imagine we got deslaurier and a backup for example. That's some energy on the 4th line and a more reliable goalie. At least there you could say theyre trying. Would line up with their "in the mix" comments moreso than doing nothing

 

[Habs Halifax]

So you want another project?

23 and turns 24 in Feb. Not a project. Someone who is stalling at breaking out like so many do. If you noticed, take a look at the age where most players break out after having meh development years (D+5). The question to be asked is this... can Cozens improve in a new situation with new energy as he heads towards mature years. Or is it another Kotkaniemi problem.... Won't get good value until they are in the age 27-32 range.

General Trends I noticed:
* The Stars shine early (18-20 range)
* The top of the line-up talent shine a little later (18-22)
* The top 4D or Top 6F talent a little later (18-25)
* The depth guys who turn into great middle of the line-up talent take even longer. (25+)

I would easily swap Dach for Cozens. Both players need a change and have equal ish potential. Maybe the Sabres want to escape that contract. However, I doubt the Sabres/Habs want to hook up on a trade within the division.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Definitely wouldn't salvage the season no but it would improve the habs. Imagine we got deslaurier and a backup for example. That's some energy on the 4th line and a more reliable goalie. At least there you could say theyre trying. Would line up with their "in the mix" comments moreso than doing nothing

Yeah but isn't this for the best? We head into the season and monitor youth growth but if it don't break out, you should want another high pick (as a GM anyways). It's MSL who is the one who has to deal with the prolonged development and growing pains.

What we don't want is to be stuck in the middle of the pack like the Wings, Sabres, Sens have over the last few seasons. Ideally, the Habs transition from bottom 5-10 to playoffs and that takes 2 years or less. Otherwise, stay in the bottom 10 is what I say.

If we choose rebuild, stay the course and take pills for the growing pain headaches! haha

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes, another gamble. I was warm to the idea, but I'm not sure it's the right path.

I'm open to the Dach/Cozens flip. Or a Newhook/Prospect offer. Not giving a 1st in any package for Cozens and our attempt would be to offer one of Dach or Newhook with B+ type prospect adds. If they don't like it, move on.

As we know, many other situations present themselves all the time. Having a strong pool with strong futures and lots of cap has us in a good spot. Just need the right player to become available. Probably not Cozens but if we can do a flip type trade on pieces we can spare, why not?

 

[Blame the referee]

So you want another project?

Cozens is not another project who never did nothing before. He was a 60+ pts player and now on a slump

For sure I wan to take a gamble on him

 

[Sterling Archer]

But Pagnotta’s inching his way into mainstream broadcasting (SN / TSN) which the likes of Eklund never get a shot at - which is why one would expect Pagnotta would think twice of ever jeopardizing his career opportunity by making s*it up….

Actually Ek was on Sportsnet (I believe) for their trade deadline show one year. I think they had him blacked out in the shadows to preserve his anonymity. lol. Didn't go very well as he wasn't asked back.

 

[HabzSauce]

Yeah but isn't this for the best? We head into the season and monitor youth growth but if it don't break out, you should want another high pick (as a GM anyways). It's MSL who is the one who has to deal with the prolonged development and growing pains.

What we don't want is to be stuck in the middle of the pack like the Wings, Sabres, Sens have over the last few seasons. Ideally, the Habs transition from bottom 5-10 to playoffs and that takes 2 years or less. Otherwise, stay in the bottom 10 is what I say.

If we choose rebuild, stay the course and take pills for the growing pain headaches! haha

I agree with you I wouldn't have made those moves either. But that's what I'm saying, Hugo is riding the tank this year. They wanted to be in the mix, and when they found out we suck again, they decided to tank. Lots of other GMs would have made reactionary moves to save their early season playoff/in the mix expectations if those were the expectations coming into season.

I'm happy they didn't make any moves. I'm pro tank, we'd be far better off in long run getting another top 5 pick then finishing a little higher in the standings

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Cozens is not another project who never did nothing before. He was a 60+ pts player and now on a slump

For sure I wan to take a gamble on him

He’s in year two of a seven year deal at 7 mil. I like gambling on the player but that’s a lot of cash for a long time if it doesn’t work out. I think it’s too big a risk.