HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

The only ''vets or ufa'' we keep in this lineup is Evans , the rest are not even worthy to be kept.

 

[Miller Time]

The only ''vets or ufa'' we keep in this lineup is Evans , the rest are not even worthy to be kept.

I don't see any rational whereby Matheson is not considered "worthy to be kept"... By far our best veteran contributor.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I don't see any rational whereby Matheson is not considered "worthy to be kept"... By far our best veteran contributor.

noty to give him an albatross deal so we can keep half of the turnovers the team produces. we have enough offensive d-man who can make those secondary assists. He should have been traded last season . People only see his assist column when they see his name it and it shows.

 

[Miller Time]

noty to give him an albatross deal so we can keep half of the turnovers the team produces.

Your post was "the only vets or UFA we keep in this lineup"... That's what I replied to.

I wouldn't overpay to keep Matheson or Evans, that's a different question all together.

Matheson isn't paid to be a #1D, yet we've played him that way... Put Evans in the top 6 regularly, and his lustre would fade pretty quickly.

btw the two, Matheson >> Evans, and it's not really close.

we have enough offensive d-man who can make those secondary assists. He should have been traded last season . People only see his assist column when they see his name it and it shows.

Nonsense. If all you see from his game is "assist column", then I wonder if you actually watch any games, or just read the hot takes here and gloss over the stat line?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Your post was "the only vets or UFA we keep in this lineup"... That's what I replied to.

I wouldn't overpay to keep Matheson or Evans, that's a different question all together.

Matheson isn't paid to be a #1D, yet we've played him that way... Put Evans in the top 6 regularly, and his lustre would fade pretty quickly.

btw the two, Matheson >> Evans, and it's not really close.



Nonsense. If all you see from his game is "assist column", then I wonder if you actually watch any games, or just read the hot takes here and gloss over the stat line?

I would trade him right now , For what he brings , i think he brings less for what people think off. His value is not worth what people praise him for here. He's abysmal defensively , he cost us more than hes giving us.

 

[HuGort]

I wonder if Utah would be interested in matheson. Not that we should offload - but would be curious on what they'd offer. Habs should at least be listening even if they'd prefer to hold on to Matheson

I was thinking similar

 

[Miller Time]

I would trade him right now , For what he brings , i think he brings less for what people think off. His value is not worth what people praise him for here. He's abysmal defensively , he cost us more than hes giving us.

I'm not sure how trading him now makes us better... Especially if he brings as little as you think he does and his value is as low as you think it is.

He's far from "abysmal defensively", that's a terrible assessment.

The cost to replace Matheson with a vet remotely close to what he provides will be either significant assets in trade or close to double the cap hit for a UFA... The goal is to improve our roster, not weaken it for the sake of casting off scapegoats.

Agree to disagree.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I'm not sure how trading him now makes us better... Especially if he brings as little as you think he does and his value is as low as you think it is.

He's far from "abysmal defensively", that's a terrible assessment.

The cost to replace Matheson with a vet remotely close to what he provides will be either significant assets in trade or close to double the cap hit for a UFA... The goal is to improve our roster, not weaken it for the sake of casting off scapegoats.

Agree to disagree.

Well that depends for what you trade him . I wont trade him for picks. I would trade him for a Center or a winger or for a bigger trade. I just think that with Guhle and Hutson offensively , we dont need Matheson on that spot. Also i think we've seen enough of 5 foot missed plays on the blueline while Guhle or Hutson makes it simple and better with much less risk. We need a stay at home Def with Hutson for Hutson which we dont have at all at this moment and I think trading Matheson would give us that if we wanted.

 

[HuGort]

I'm not sure how trading him now makes us better... Especially if he brings as little as you think he does and his value is as low as you think it is.

He's far from "abysmal defensively", that's a terrible assessment.

The cost to replace Matheson with a vet remotely close to what he provides will be either significant assets in trade or close to double the cap hit for a UFA... The goal is to improve our roster, not weaken it for the sake of casting off scapegoats.

Agree to disagree.

Be the only thing stopping them. I don't think Montreal does it where so thin on Blueline experience. Other than that be excellent move. Crouse is big, with 3 straight 20+ goal seasons and signed long term reasonable. Habs are over stacked on left D. Maybe that's why rumours Hughes looking for veteran right D also? He could then move Guhle back to natural position. Which should aid his play. Go Guhle, Hutson, Wifi on left side. New acquire, Savard and one of Barron or Struble on right. Maybe move Barron for veteran right D?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Be the only thing stopping them. I don't think Montreal does it where so thin on Blueline experience. Other than that be excellent move. Crouse is big, with 3 straight 20+ goal seasons and signed long term reasonable. Habs are over stacked on left D. Maybe that's why rumours Hughes looking for veteran right D also? He could then move Guhle back to natural position. Which should aid his play. Go Guhle, Hutson, Wifi on left side. New acquire, Savard and one of Barron or Struble on right. Maybe move Barron for veteran right D?

excellent analyse. I think placing Guhle back on his original position is also a must.

 

[BaseballCoach]

excellent analyse. I think placing Guhle back on his original position is also a must.

Why is it a "must"? Guhle is playing well on the right side, and says he has no issue with it..

No one would trade Larry Robinson so that Serge Savard can go back to his natural side.

Each case is separate.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Why is it a "must"? Guhle is playing well on the right side, and says he has no issue with it..

No one would trade Larry Robinson so that Serge Savard can go back to his natural side.

Each case is separate.

Because I think playing his natural position is much better. Why can't matheson play on the right? Anyways he can't defend from the left side anyways. Guhle is the future while Matheson is just a patch job . Guhle does good on the right, he was also doing great on the left , so we should keep on the right? That makes no sense.

You should always put players at their natural positions. That's where they learned from.

If we look for a trade , we can say we are looking for a RHD and if Matheson is in the Mix We can say Guhle and Hutson are in out top 4 for the future. Then we fix the right side with a trade.

( Just an example)

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I’d take a flyer on Klim Kostin in San Jose. He seems like he’d fit here. He’s a former 1st round pick, huge at 6’4 235 lbs, can skate, plays physical with an edge, and can/will fight, possesses a heavy shot, still only 25. He has a strong cycle game (which we dearly need in our bottom 6) and is a left hand shot which would help balance the lines.

I doubt he would cost much to acquire, and he loved playing in Canada for the Oilers. If you could acquire him and Jan Rutta on defense in a package deal, it would fill the two biggest holes. You’d be adding size and snarl and a steady veteran right hand shot defender with multiple cups. Basically a solid stay at home guy that can be depended upon to hold the Fort. Another Savard essentially.

I’d offer up something along the lines of:

To San Jose: Justin Barron, Christian Dvorak, 2025 3rd round pick (acquired from New Jersey).

To Montreal: Klim Kostin, Jan Rutta

Habs roster (when healthy) looks like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Newhook - Dach - Laine
Kostin - Kapanen - Armia
Gallagher - Evans - Anderson

Matheson - Guhle
Hutson - Ruuta
Xhekaj - Savard

 

[Treb]

I don't see how adding a top-4 RHD would block any of our prospects, Mailloux and Reinbacher are our only RHD prospects and we will always need three RD. Also with Rein's injury and Mailloux's defense we should be easing them into the lineup slowly. If both Reinbacher and Mailloux are studs we can just let Savard walk or sign him cheap and trade him when the time comes.

Technically speaking Konyushkov, but he has another year left on his KHL contract after this one.

 

[Habs Icing]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1850228405171601815

It's for his new job at Gluttons International. He came to test our steamies, bagels, smoke meat and poutine and see if they really are better than New York's.

 

[Benstheman]

My D next season :

Guhle-Andersson
Hutson-Reinbacher
Struble-Barron
Engstrom

Use Mailloux, Matheson, Calgary/Florida 1st, Habs and Pens 2nds to get Andersson and a big 3rd line winger that can score (i like Crouse's idea).

Play Xhekaj on the 4th line.

 

[junyab]

Gourde is 5'9'', I don't think that is what the Habs are looking for.

Eek. What an uninformed comment.

Gourde is the type of player literally every team would love to have. He's aggressive, physical, and can put up points.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Eek. What an uninformed comment.

Gourde is the type of player literally every team would love to have. He's aggressive, physical, and can put up points.

HuGo is looking for a big enforcer type who can play.

 

[sampollock]

Crouse was a good suggestion.

 

[Leto]

My D next season :

Guhle-Andersson
Hutson-Reinbacher
Struble-Barron
Engstrom

Use Mailloux, Matheson, Calgary/Florida 1st, Habs and Pens 2nds to get Andersson and a big 3rd line winger that can score (i like Crouse's idea).

Play Xhekaj on the 4th line.

How much would you be willing to pay to resign Andersson? He's going to ask for the big bucks as a upcoming UFA RD.

 

[HuGort]

I’d take a flyer on Klim Kostin in San Jose. He seems like he’d fit here. He’s a former 1st round pick, huge at 6’4 235 lbs, can skate, plays physical with an edge, and can/will fight, possesses a heavy shot, still only 25. He has a strong cycle game (which we dearly need in our bottom 6) and is a left hand shot which would help balance the lines.

I doubt he would cost much to acquire, and he loved playing in Canada for the Oilers. If you could acquire him and Jan Rutta on defense in a package deal, it would fill the two biggest holes. You’d be adding size and snarl and a steady veteran right hand shot defender with multiple cups. Basically a solid stay at home guy that can be depended upon to hold the Fort. Another Savard essentially.

I’d offer up something along the lines of:

To San Jose: Justin Barron, Christian Dvorak, 2025 3rd round pick (acquired from New Jersey).

To Montreal: Klim Kostin, Jan Rutta

Habs roster (when healthy) looks like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Newhook - Dach - Laine
Kostin - Kapanen - Armia
Gallagher - Evans - Anderson

Matheson - Guhle
Hutson - Ruuta
Xhekaj - Savard

If you can dump Barron and Dvorak do it ASAP

 

[Draft]

I’d take a flyer on Klim Kostin in San Jose. He seems like he’d fit here. He’s a former 1st round pick, huge at 6’4 235 lbs, can skate, plays physical with an edge, and can/will fight, possesses a heavy shot, still only 25. He has a strong cycle game (which we dearly need in our bottom 6) and is a left hand shot which would help balance the lines.

I doubt he would cost much to acquire, and he loved playing in Canada for the Oilers. If you could acquire him and Jan Rutta on defense in a package deal, it would fill the two biggest holes. You’d be adding size and snarl and a steady veteran right hand shot defender with multiple cups. Basically a solid stay at home guy that can be depended upon to hold the Fort. Another Savard essentially.

I’d offer up something along the lines of:

To San Jose: Justin Barron, Christian Dvorak, 2025 3rd round pick (acquired from New Jersey).

To Montreal: Klim Kostin, Jan Rutta

Habs roster (when healthy) looks like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Newhook - Dach - Laine
Kostin - Kapanen - Armia
Gallagher - Evans - Anderson

Matheson - Guhle
Hutson - Ruuta
Xhekaj - Savard

I don’t think including Barron or a prospect of his calibre would be necessary or advisable. Kostin is a bottom of the lineup player being paid 2mil a year. Closer to waivers than being a 1st round talent at this point in his career. Rutta is a guy you trade a late round pick for at the deadline. Slow, bottom pairing defender making 2.75mil. I can appreciate the cost of moving Dvorak and would like to see him elsewhere, but I think we’re too thin at C to not get a C back.

I think Kostin could be an interesting fit, but not with this kind of deal.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

Soon to be UFA Rantanan for Caufield + being discussed on the Avs board.

I mean, don’t let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch, but I still found this post to be hilarious.

 

[Benstheman]

How much would you be willing to pay to resign Andersson? He's going to ask for the big bucks as a upcoming UFA RD.

7,5-8 M$ per

 

[Leto]

7,5-8 M$ per

Hanifin and Theodore both took ~8.4% of the cap. Pietrangelo took 10.8% of the cap. I expect Andersson to push for something closer to 9-9.5m. You probably have to overpay in MTL due to the tax offset in other markets.​