HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[sampollock]

Miller will be traded before ET I bet

 

[JustAHabFan]

Miller will be traded before ET I bet

Agreed. But I doubted that Miller will waive for any Cdn teams.

 

[Kimota]

Miller would f*** up the chemistry and the room with his yelling at players all the time.

I get what you are saying but It's like O'Reily when he was in Buffalo. They said he was taking too much room but once he got to St Louis, the Blues had a great room and he slid in there nicely. Same with Reichel in Vegas. The Habs have a bunch of positive easy going guys who are not lazy like a Patterson. I think Miller would love to be in this environment. Also, you cannot just win cups with nice guys. You need killers. The guy is a Dale Hunter/Claude Lemieux-type. He'll be there when it's important.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I say we trade Evans + Reinbacher for JT Miller. Dach has skills but he's simply not a center to me. JT Miller a gamer would fill the number two center spot perfectly. Also you forgot to mention what you would do with Newhook. If you trade Evans, Newhook could slide into a third center position.

I am higher on Reinbacher than most, I think he could become a Pietrangelo Kind of Player so I would not do This. The Habs are not deep at RD.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Miller will be traded before ET I bet

Doubt it. NMC problem and a contract from age 31-36 is not ideal at a $8M cap hit.

If Miller's contract was easy to move, it would have been done before we heard of any EP40/Miller drama. I strongly believe that the Canucks prefer to keep Pettersson but with the difficulty of trading Miller for the right return, they are considering moving EP40 for both a center and D.

Sounds like the PK Subban issue to me. (PK/Gallagher/Patch) and a looming NMC where the Habs felt we could get a center and more futures by trading Subban but that fell through and we had to settle on Weber.

I am higher on Reinbacher than most, I think he could become a Pietrangelo Kind of Player so I would not do This. The Habs are not deep at RD.

Reinbacher will be more like a H Lindholm type IMO.

 

[sampollock]

Doubt it. NMC problem and a contract from age 31-36 is not ideal at a $8M cap hit.

If Miller's contract was easy to move, it would have been done before we heard of any EP40/Miller drama. I strongly believe that the Canucks prefer to keep Pettersson but with the difficulty of trading Miller for the right return, they are considering moving EP40 for both a center and D.

Sounds like the PK Subban issue to me. (PK/Gallagher/Patch) and a looming NMC where the Habs felt we could get a center and more futures by trading Subban but that fell through and we had to settle on Weber.

ya you could be right.
Van is in a pickle, what to do

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Miller will be traded before ET I bet

ET phone home!!!

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agreed. But I doubted that Miller will waive for any Cdn teams.

Think about this more. The Canucks knew about the drama between Pettersson/Miller well before we did. I'm pretty sure they have been trying to move Miller for more than just a month.

Moving a NMC with a $8M AAV from age 31-36? Miller is good but the proper fit or return depends on the list of teams he is open to. That's difficult bud

ya you could be right.
Van is in a pickle, what to do

I'm pretty sure (my guess) that they have been trying to move Miller for longer than us fans knowing about that drama with Pettersson.

 

[morhilane]

Think about this more. The Canucks knew about the drama between Pettersson/Miller well before we did. I'm pretty sure they have been trying to move Miller for more than just a month.

The drama has been known to the public since Bruce Boudreau was the coach. It's been ongoing for like 3 years now.

 

[sampollock]

Think about this more. The Canucks knew about the drama between Pettersson/Miller well before we did. I'm pretty sure they have been trying to move Miller for more than just a month.

Moving a NMC with a $8M AAV from age 31-36? Miller is good but the proper fit or return depends on the list of teams he is open to. That's difficult bud



I'm pretty sure (my guess) that they have been trying to move Miller for longer than us fans knowing about that drama with Pettersson.

Miller would make a good flyer

 

[Habs Halifax]

Miller would make a good flyer

Is the Flyers on his list he is open to? No idea.

Who are the Flyers trading?

The drama has been known to the public since Bruce Boudreau was the coach. It's been ongoing for like 3 years now.

Maybe some fans knew about this but that's a minority. Most have come to find this out over the last month ish. That doesn't change my opinion where I think the Canucks have been trying to move Miller for more than a month.

Something happened lately to ignite this more than what it was before.

 

[Egresch]

Slaf 1 for 1, I say yes in an instant.
I would even consider adding Matheson.

EP is not the same player anymore, he does not have that amazing speed. Actually, his skating is very similar to Slaf now.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

EP is not the same player anymore, he does not have that amazing speed. Actually, his skating is very similar to Slaf now.
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How is he not that player anymore? He is 26 yeard old. Anyway when I watch him play, I am not looking at how much he moves on the ice but what he can provide offensively.

 

[Deebs]

Dude gets passed around more than Joy Taylor at Fox Sports.

The town bicycle....everyone gets a ride

 

[Deus ex machina]

I don't agree they are not interested in Pettersson. Our cap structure is not tight and yes, Pettersson has a huge cap hit but why does it not fit our structure? Because it's more than Suzuki and/or we have to sign Hutson? I don't see these are reasons why to not engage in Pettersson.

If you told me the Habs still value Dach very high and will become a 60+ center as the reason, I would buy that argument that we are not interested in Pettersson. Or another reason... Pettersson has injury issues lately, and too much risk to trade good assets for someone who may never live up to that contract.

I said i don't think that the Habs are interested in doing Dach+ for Pettersson. It was implied that they still value Dach very highly.
And yes, there are other issues, as you are pointing out.

But i might've been wrong after all. There is smoke. Pettersson to Habs is now E3.

 

[morhilane]

Maybe some fans knew about this but that's a minority. Most have come to find this out over the last month ish. That doesn't change my opinion where I think the Canucks have been trying to move Miller for more than a month.

Something happened lately to ignite this more than what it was before.

I remember stuff about Petersson vs Miller from a few years ago and I don't follow the Canucks outside reading the Out of Town thread here and checking the headlines in the Hockey sub reddit.

And it only made the news again this year because Miller took time off (which had nothing to do with Petersson), then the media just kept asking about Miller and Petersson to everyone in the org and talking trade rumors since November. At this point the GM probably want to trade one just to make them shut up about it...

 

[ReHabs]

Miller would be a very cool add too but I feel the Canucks have cold feet about Pettersson’s contract much more than they wanna get rid of Miller.

Pettersson’s trade value isn’t as high as Miller imo. His cap hit is simply horrific. Even for the Habs it has to be dealt with carefully because it could blow up the roster and cap management… and if he never returns to PPG or recovers his speed… ooof.

I said i don't think that the Habs are interested in doing Dach+ for Pettersson. It was implied that they still value Dach very highly.
And yes, there are other issues, as you are pointing out.

But i might've been wrong after all. There is smoke. Pettersson to Habs is now E3.

Any GM who wouldn’t swap Dach+ for EP40 is delusional. It’s like Bergevin refusing to acquire a prime ROR because he preferred to hold onto Ryan Poehling.

 

[Kimota]

I am higher on Reinbacher than most, I think he could become a Pietrangelo Kind of Player so I would not do This. The Habs are not deep at RD.

Alright then, find me an alternative, bro!

 

[Deus ex machina]

Miller would be a very cool add too but I feel the Canucks have cold feet about Pettersson’s contract much more than they wanna get rid of Miller.

Pettersson’s trade value isn’t as high as Miller imo. His cap hit is simply horrific. Even for the Habs it has to be dealt with carefully because it could blow up the roster and cap management… and if he never returns to PPG or recovers his speed… ooof.


Any GM who wouldn’t swap Dach+ for EP40 is delusional. It’s like Bergevin refusing to acquire a prime ROR because he preferred to hold onto Ryan Poehling.

Seems kinda contradictory, or you really really hate Dach.

 

[FLHabs]

I say we trade Evans + Reinbacher for JT Miller. Dach has skills but he's simply not a center to me. JT Miller a gamer would fill the number two center spot perfectly. Also you forgot to mention what you would do with Newhook. If you trade Evans, Newhook could slide into a third center position.

Would JT miller waive his NMC for Montreal? And I really doubt a UFA Jake Evans and an injured Reinbacher moves the needle for Vancouver. I'm sure there would be much better offers out there.

Also, Reinbacher is too important for the future Dcore. He really HAS to pan out because finding a top pairing RD is going to be difficult.

I did mention that Newhook could take Armia or Evans spot until Hage is ready.

 

[ReHabs]

Seems kinda contradictory, or you really really hate Dach.

Can you explain the contradiction you think exists?

 

[DAChampion]

EP is not the same player anymore, he does not have that amazing speed. Actually, his skating is very similar to Slaf now.
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Can you show McDavid and Dvorak on this graphic?

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Petey and Miller both are very good players

Question is do either push you to the next level? And secondly its not just asset cost with these two, but also team chemistry

Miller is a known douche. Very good player but lets be honest, has rubbed a lot of teammates the wrong way

EP is interesting. Living in BC, i get the impression is he is kind of a moody player. Its also remains to be seen if he is the type that elevates his game

I just not sure how either are in terms of fit. Are they the types that kill lockerrooms?

 

[Heffyhoof]

Montreal's need is a RHD who can play top minutes far more than a second #1 center. Pettersson or Miller would a very nice addition, but hopefully that would leave Montreal with enough assets for the D-man.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Can you explain the contradiction you think exists?

I've highlighted it for you.

First you're rightly devaluing EP40 saying that his cap hit is horrific and he could be a big risk.
And just after, if i understand correctly, you're basically saying Dach+ is not close to being worth EP40, without even knowing what the + part is...because his value is so high?