HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Habs Halifax]

That is exactly what I'd like to know.

The Big Fish would be Andersson but he won't hit the market until the last minute if he does at all.

I'm actually wondering if we can find a decent 7 who is a natural righty to spell Struble who should stick to that left side.

N Dobson if the Islanders run into contract trouble. RFA on July 1st. Romanov is also a RFA on July 1st.

 

[waitin425]

Have we got our RD yet that is far more pressing than a center at this point.

Agreed.

I have been wondering if we really need all the talent we have in the cupboards or can we start to trade away some draft stock and take a swing now.

I am questioning whether we have room for some of the guys who are NHL projectable.

Hage
Beck
Kapanen
Mailloux
Engstrom
Konyushkov

We have a ton of talent in the farm system. I would be comfortable packaging some players and picks for a true #1 RD. Dobson?

Habs 1st
Calgary 1st
Mailloux
Kapanen

for

Noah Dobson


Lane Hutson - Noah Dobson
Mike Matheson - Kaiden Guhle
Arber Xhekaj - Alex Carrier


For our Playoff run.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agreed.

I have been wondering if we really need all the talent we have in the cupboards or can we start to trade away some draft stock and take a swing now.

I am questioning whether we have room for some of the guys who are NHL projectable.

Hage
Beck
Kapanen
Mailloux
Engstrom
Konyushkov

We have a ton of talent in the farm system. I would be comfortable packaging some players and picks for a true #1 RD. Dobson?

Habs 1st
Calgary 1st
Mailloux
Kapanen

for

Noah Dobson


Lane Hutson - Noah Dobson
Mike Matheson - Kaiden Guhle
Arber Xhekaj - Alex Carrier


For our Playoff run.

Matheson, Reinbacher, and one of the 1st would probably do it for Dobson (if the Islanders like Reinbacher's future and are looking for cap savings). Keep Savard for the run.

Hutson / Dobson
Guhle / Carrier
Xhekaj / Savard
Struble

What is Dobson going to get for a contract? 8x $9M+ ?

 

[waitin425]

Matheson, Reinbacher, and one of the 1st would probably do it for Dobson (if the Islanders like Reinbacher's future and are looking for cap savings). Keep Savard for the run.

Hutson / Dobson
Guhle / Carrier
Xhekaj / Savard
Struble

What is Dobson going to get for a contract? 8x $9M+ ?

Probably around 9.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Probably around 9.

Bet you Dobson and his camp give the Lou fits. Probably start at $10M when Lou starts at $8M. They also have to extend Romanov so both of these two are likely $15M+

 

[Bell Centre Hotdog]

Matheson, Reinbacher, and one of the 1st would probably do it for Dobson (if the Islanders like Reinbacher's future and are looking for cap savings). Keep Savard for the run.

Hutson / Dobson
Guhle / Carrier
Xhekaj / Savard
Struble

What is Dobson going to get for a contract? 8x $9M+ ?

I could get behind this.

Even if let's say they don't make the wild card, this gives us a player we would hope Reinbacher could become and same if we kept the 1st rounder we'd again hope to obtain someone who could eventually become a Dobson level player on defense or forward.

This would lock up the defense for awhile and look pretty solid. I love the pairings.

Hutson Dobson
Guhle Carrier
Xhekaj Savard
Struble

I have a feeling though this would be an off-season kind of move though.

 

[Benstheman]

I'm looking at how Hutson is playing right now and I don't think Dobson would be the right fit for us.

Off course I would like to have him and if he comes cheaper than expected, I would probably do it.

But right now, if I'm honest with what I think of the structure of the team going forward, Dobson is not the guy I sell the farm for.

 

[Treb]

The trade deadline is March 7, two months from today. Lots of time left.

If the Habs continue their current play, then they'll be legit in the mix for the 3rd spot in the Atlantic, along with the wildcards.

It would make for some interesting decisions for HuGo.

One thing I would like to upgrade is Newhook. Finding a second line winger would be high on my list.

It shouldn't. Demidov will be coming in at the end of the KHL season.

 

[OldCraig71]

Don't even think of trading anyone right now, barring a major injury, we should leave everything as it is. This team is still in a rebuild and it would be a mistake to believe more than that.

The New York Rangers were rebuilding and made a few moves, but look at them now. It takes time, and allowing a young group to grow together and believe in each other is more important than a trade. We are learning to win, but that doesn't mean that we are a contending team.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Are we buyer's now ?
RHD Maybe ?
Braden Schneider ?
Ivan Provorov ?
Ryan Pulock ?

We should still be selling vets at the TDL since they are irrelevant to our comeback

 

[Saundies]

Don't even think of trading anyone right now, barring a major injury, we should leave everything as it is. This team is still in a rebuild and it would be a mistake to believe more than that.

The New York Rangers were rebuilding and made a few moves, but look at them now. It takes time, and allowing a young group to grow together and believe in each other is more important than a trade. We are learning to win, but that doesn't mean that we are a contending team.

Honestly this is where I'm at right now. We don't know what sort of impact Demidov will have next year and we shouldn't be buying to attempt to go on any sort of a run (unless we go insano-mode and go like 30-10 the next 40 games). The team is playing great as-is, unless there are minor upgrades to be made (maybe a new 13th forward other than Pezz) then status quo should be the name.

Let the guys grow together and play some meaningful hockey. If you can't re-sign Evans, he'll be our "rental" that we didn't pay for. I'd rather that than tank our momentum.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I could get behind this.

Even if let's say they don't make the wild card, this gives us a player we would hope Reinbacher could become and same if we kept the 1st rounder we'd again hope to obtain someone who could eventually become a Dobson level player on defense or forward.

This would lock up the defense for awhile and look pretty solid. I love the pairings.

Hutson Dobson
Guhle Carrier
Xhekaj Savard
Struble

I have a feeling though this would be an off-season kind of move though.

I really do like Dobson's potential but I do wonder how much he can play stable D. His giveaways/60 is higher than Matheson this season. And in the last two seasons, it's very comparable between the two in terms of giveaways/60 and takeaways/60.

Yes Matheson is older but these two are very comparable when you look at the numbers (Blocks, Hits, Giveaways, takeaways, Points). And when you compare Corsi for and zone starts, Matheson gets more Defensive zone starts than Dobson.

Very interested in trading for Dobson if he became available but at the same time, I think we are overlooking the improvements Matheson is making on the D side.

We should still be selling vets at the TDL since they are irrelevant to our comeback

Depending on what is returned yes.

If we are offered a 3rd rounder for Armia (for example), why do this? We are loaded with grade B prospects already.

Savard probably does not get the 1st this time around. Probably a 2nd and B prospect.

Evans is the one who might get solid offers but we kind of need him if we chase the playoffs.

Dvorak should stay if we are chasing the playoffs. He's only got to return a 4th rounder or worse.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I really do like Dobson's potential but I do wonder how much he can play stable D. His giveaways/60 is higher than Matheson this season. And in the last two seasons, it's very comparable between the two in terms of giveaways/60 and takeaways/60.

Yes Matheson is older but these two are very comparable when you look at the numbers (Blocks, Hits, Giveaways, takeaways, Points). And when you compare Corsi for and zone starts, Matheson gets more Defensive zone starts than Dobson.

Very interested in trading for Dobson if he became available but at the same time, I think we are overlooking the improvements Matheson is making on the D side.



Depending on what is returned yes.

If we are offered a 3rd rounder for Armia (for example), why do this? We are loaded with grade B prospects already.

Savard probably does not get the 1st this time around. Probably a 2nd and B prospect.

Evans is the one who might get solid offers but we kind of need him if we chase the playoffs.

Dvorak should stay if we are chasing the playoffs. He's only got to return a 4th rounder or worse.

We are not getting a 3rd rounder for him but what I mean is , he's easily replaceable in the line up. Pull the trigger for a late 1st at worst case.


For Armia , take the third round pick or best offered. He's not coming back and he's been atrocious more often .than anything.

Savard is washed , easily replaceable at this point a 3rd and a 4th for him is enough. We can get better via UFa and cheaper at this point.

Evans we been around this. Keep him depending his contract. Unless we get offered an insane deal we can't refuse.

For Dvorak trade him also. Even if we are fighting for a playoff spot, he's beyond irrelevant why we have been winning lately.

 

[salbutera]

N Dobson if the Islanders run into contract trouble. RFA on July 1st. Romanov is also a RFA on July 1st.

Apologies for re-posting, but time has come in this teams development path, HuGo need to overpay (if need be) to try and acquire Dobson IMO.

I’d offer up both 2025 1sts (Habs unprotected) + Mailloux to Uncle Lou, not sure that’ll be enough though…

 

[BergevinBurner]

Apologies for re-posting, but time has come in this teams development path, HuGo need to overpay (if need be) to try and acquire Dobson IMO.

I’d offer up both 2025 1sts (Habs unprotected) + Mailloux to Uncle Lou, not sure that’ll be enough though…

I'm not sure if he'd accept futures for Dobson. Not to be morbid, but you can't expect a man to start a rebuild when he doesn't know if he'll be alive to see the end of it lol.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I'm not sure if he'd accept futures for Dobson. Not to be morbid, but you can't expect a man to start a rebuild when he doesn't know if he'll be alive to see the end of it lol.

I mean Lou probably thinks his starting goalie is Brodeur

 

[Habs Halifax]

Apologies for re-posting, but time has come in this teams development path, HuGo need to overpay (if need be) to try and acquire Dobson IMO.

I’d offer up both 2025 1sts (Habs unprotected) + Mailloux to Uncle Lou, not sure that’ll be enough though…

Not sure if the Islanders want to go all futures if they move Dobson. I think you have to offer them someone like Matheson with futures. I think they ask for Matheson & Reinbacher and probably a 1st.

I love Dobson's potential. Big smooth skating RD who can put up points and has a great shot. However, his defensive play is not that sound. Matheson measures up well to Dobson when you look at context past points and age.

I am one who is pondering Matheson's value and I have noticed improved numbers with Matheson's defensive play. Ideally, we acquire Dobson for Reinbacher++ and retain Matheson.

 

[ReHabs]

I am questioning whether we have room for some of the guys who are NHL projectable.

Best would be to kick the can down a bit and have a pipeline of prospects ready to bleed into the roster or be traded. We had such an outrageous draught for so long that the situation today is unusual.

Keep in mind there will be busts, failures, injuries, contract issues, etc. so high potential prospects are always going to find a way to get a shot to join the NHL.

We have a ton of talent in the farm system. I would be comfortable packaging some players and picks for a true #1 RD. Dobson?

The package you put there is fine but I don't see why NYI would make that move. I'm not sure what they want but a blow-up doesn't seem to be in the cards.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm not sure if he'd accept futures for Dobson. Not to be morbid, but you can't expect a man to start a rebuild when he doesn't know if he'll be alive to see the end of it lol.

Reinbacher+ would be a must for the Islanders and that's only if they are OK with futures. I doubt Lou wants to rebuild so he would be after a proven D in return.

 

[salbutera]

I'm not sure if he'd accept futures for Dobson. Not to be morbid, but you can't expect a man to start a rebuild when he doesn't know if he'll be alive to see the end of it lol.

Expectation is Uncle Lou’s son will be promoted from AGM to GM upon his gradual phase out to retirement..

 

[SOLR]

Honestly this is where I'm at right now. We don't know what sort of impact Demidov will have next year and we shouldn't be buying to attempt to go on any sort of a run (unless we go insano-mode and go like 30-10 the next 40 games). The team is playing great as-is, unless there are minor upgrades to be made (maybe a new 13th forward other than Pezz) then status quo should be the name.

Let the guys grow together and play some meaningful hockey. If you can't re-sign Evans, he'll be our "rental" that we didn't pay for. I'd rather that than tank our momentum.

Suspect Beck is already the 13th forward, they are just keeping him stable in the AHL for now.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Dobson would be a great add but i dont see why Islanders would move him even in a retool hes still a young player

 

[Tuggy]

It shouldn't. Demidov will be coming in at the end of the KHL season.

Well that would be my #1 choice, but I'll believe it when I see it this season.

 

[Benstheman]

We should still be selling vets at the TDL since they are irrelevant to our comeback

They won't sell veterans for 3rd or 4th round picks if they are in contention.

 

[Guy Larose]

Suspect Beck is already the 13th forward, they are just keeping him stable in the AHL for now.

You can't have Beck as the 13th forward, he needs to play. Trade Dvorak and replace with Beck (can't be worse) and keep Pez as the 13th.