HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Goalfield13]

If he’s not meant to be the superstar he won’t have superstar pressure. See Laine.

That said there will be pressure issues due to his cap hit, it comes with massive expectations, for sure. But if it completes our top6 and gives us a two-way C, we could make it work if necessary.

Not a fair take.

He hadn’t missed a game until just last week. How has he proven to be physically weak?

$11.6 mil for a complimentary C is not good. What is Demidov going to ask for when his contract comes up? Laine? I don't want a TML cap issue here.

If he’s not meant to be the superstar he won’t have superstar pressure. See Laine.

That said there will be pressure issues due to his cap hit, it comes with massive expectations, for sure. But if it completes our top6 and gives us a two-way C, we could make it work if necessary.

Not a fair take.

He hadn’t missed a game until just last week. How has he proven to be physically weak?


I think RD is the priority too but Dach can’t be relied on as a core player. So that leaves Hage (late first round picks are long shots) or Demidov which would still leave a hole in the top6.

We’ve needed a top D and top C all along and it hasn’t changed. Getting one or both could cost a fortune… unless there are strange market opportunities like this one

I just don't think Petterson is the guy, but I understand your POV.

 

[morhilane]

Sure. It doesn't change the facts there are issues with this player and have been for quite some time. Do we want this in our seemingly stable and cohesive locker room....I'm thinking probably not. However, there are always three sides to every story and unfortunately we'll never know the truth, that's something for Hughes to find out

Not sure what is going on there, but the Canucks are tired of it whatever it is, which suggest it's not something you want in your own locker room...unless you know what it is and you think you can deal with it.

Since Hughes is very picky over who he adds to his locker room, it's probably a no go from the start.

Also means Petey is probably going to end up in Nashville...

 

[DAChampion]

What is Demidov going to ask for when his contract comes up?

Demidov should get fair value based mostly on how he performs in his first three years.

 

[ReHabs]

$11.6 mil for a complimentary C is not good. What is Demidov going to ask for when his contract comes up? Laine? I don't want a TML cap issue here.

If the Habs acquire him, I don’t think it would be as a complimentary C. That cap hit doesn’t work. Rather, he’d be 1C but behind Suzuki for leadership position stuff.

It definitely makes a mess of our cap planning. Suzuki, Caufield, Demidov will all wants fat raises by then. Hopefully the cap goes up

I just don't think Petterson is the guy, but I understand your POV.

Yeah it’s a fun exercise. I was into acquiring Eichel too and PLD and even Kevin Fiala. I think the only way any rebuild works is to forcibly inject talent onto the roster (ie build a critical mass of talent and depth). It’s unlikely it works out linearly through just drafting.

Laine was a super fortuitous move but we see how rusty and slow he is, so it remains to be seen how he fits in long term.

A funny thought: what if the Nucks call and ask for Slafkvosky?

 

[McGees]

Too late.

What about bringing over Kuznetsov as a Depth 2C? Maybe thats what hugo was scouting too?


Id say CC would need to be the piece moving back..

He can show him how to do a line like a champ?

 

[LaineBOOM]

$11.6 mil for a complimentary C is not good. What is Demidov going to ask for when his contract comes up? Laine? I don't want a TML cap issue here.


I just don't think Petterson is the guy, but I understand your POV.

Laine+Dach+2025 2nd for Pettersson. And Im fully serious. Both sides would be equally dissatisfied about it yet equally opportunistic to make it happen. Imo both sides would be equally stupid to do it but I still see it happening if offered.

I also believe that I will be called crazy for that suggestion, but I cant not say it when it came to me like this.

 

[EveryDay]

Petersson is a top10 center in the league, KH will definitely see the cost of acquisition if it makes sense. This could be the best center line in the east imo.

Pettersson
Suzuki
Hage
Evans

Dach + Matheson + Beck + Reinbacher/ MTL 2025 unprotected for Petterson

Dach + Caufield/Slafkovski for Pettersson

I'm guessing our board will say too much but that's the cost for a top 10 center.

 

[sampollock]

Petersson is a top10 center in the league, KH will definitely see the cost of acquisition if it makes sense. This could be the best center line in the east imo.

Pettersson
Suzuki
Hage
Evans

Dach + Matheson + Beck + Reinbacher/ MTL 2025 unprotected for Petterson

Dach + Caufield/Slafkovski for Pettersson

I'm guessing our board will say too much but that's the cost for a top 10 center.

Dach + Matheson + Beck + Reinbacher/ MTL 2025 unprotected for Petterson
this I would think about

 

[A55P2]

With the way things have been going, I feel like we won't trade anyone and we might even try to trade for some help up front with some of our picks+ B prospects.

 

[Archijerej]

Anyone serious about trading for Pettersson should declare which of our core forwards he'd be willing to send the other way. Anything else is just a waste of time. No package of Mesars and picks is going to make the Canucks even vaguely interested.

We finally have some depth of assets that we can move without creating massive holes on the roster, so there's really no point in engaging in the decades long Habs fans tradition of constructing endless variations of Halak, Ryder and a 2nd.

I believe Caufield is the obvious choice, because of his profile being the most easily replaced internally by Laine (if all goes well on this front of course). Not to mention that Pettersson himself is a sharpshooter.

As to the merits of acquiring EP, if you believe he can be a top-10 C for us then of course it is something we should seriously consider. There are some additional questions to be answered though:

1) cap structure
2) roles

Would Suzuki be ok with a reduced role?

3) Dach's future

We've invested in this player and if you still believe in him, what role would allow us to build up his value?

4) Laine's future

If Caufield goes and then Laine goes, we have a need.

 

[sampollock]

to get EP not ET the alien....
habs would have to give wayyyyyyy to much up to get him.

 

[morhilane]

With the way things have been going, I feel like we won't trade anyone and we might even try to trade for some help up front with some of our picks+ B prospects.

Who gets out to added a new player on the line-up?

 

[A55P2]

Who gets out to added a new player on the line-up?

Dvorak / injuries. My main point is that we won't be sellers though

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Only bc you dont like Mailloux..lol
Ok trade him mesar and picks for Rasmus Anderson. ?

Perhaps. But Laval’s coaching staff may well share my pessimism as they have removed Mailloux from the Rocket’s number 1 power play unit. Mailloux has many excellent offensive skills: great first pass; good offensive vision and an NHL level shot. But he is largely a stationary player who is easily forechecked and has not demonstrated the skating ability to evade the first forecheckers, transport the puck consistently or create the separation that would allow him to use his elite offensive skills.

Unless he develops more speed and mobility Mailloux will never be more than a fringe NHLer. I would suggest that I’m not the only one who sees his limitations.

I was one of his biggest supporters when Mailloux played in London. But over the past year his development has hit a wall that I fear he will never be able to scale. If I was Hughes I’d be anxious to move Mailloux before his skating limitations are even more exposed.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Something around Miller and Desharnais for Matherson, Dach and a smorgasbord of picks and prospects and U23 guys should be doable and workable for both teams. The Nucks get a bit younger without losing any firepower for a run this year and we get the 2C vet we need to take the next step.

 

[jrom]

Only bc you dont like Mailloux..lol
Ok trade him mesar and picks for Rasmus Anderson. ?

I don’t think he’s good enough to be a top4 D because of his defensive play so yeah move him before he ends up like Primeau or Barron

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Something around Miller and Desharnais for Matherson, Dach and a smorgasbord of picks and prospects and U23 guys should be doable and workable for both teams. The Nucks get a bit younger without losing any firepower for a run this year and we get the 2C vet we need to take the next step.

My reaction when seeing the name Desharnais

 

[Treb]

My reaction when seeing the name Desharnais

But that one is like two David on top of each other.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

My reaction when seeing the name Desharnais

It's the price to pay, the Nucks are really looking to ship him out and we can live with him for a few seasons. Plus we need to make the cap numbers work.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

But that one is like two David on top of each other.

That explains why he plays that way. Even shares the same name as Vincent Adultman

 

[themilosh]

Man, I am not sure I make that move. Caufield has really developed into a complete player. Someone on this board mentioned that they are surprised by the lack of praise for the way Caufield has developed and how he's really a threat in multiple ways. I would say it's spot on.

Centres are definitely worth more, and Pettersson is "taller" than Caufield. But Cole has been an absolute stud this year.

A trade of this magnitude requires a sting.. thats why it's a trade that works. Why? Bc even you would accept it.

 

[eklund the clown]

Petersson is a top10 center in the league, KH will definitely see the cost of acquisition if it makes sense. This could be the best center line in the east imo.

Pettersson
Suzuki
Hage
Evans

Dach + Matheson + Beck + Reinbacher/ MTL 2025 unprotected for Petterson

Dach + Caufield/Slafkovski for Pettersson

I'm guessing our board will say too much but that's the cost for a top 10 center.

Way too much

 

[Apfel Struble]

Interesting conundrum coming up for Hughes and Gorton: A sizeable part of the recent success of the Habs falls squarely on the bottom 6. The Dvorak line is good to very good night-in night-out while the Evans line has been borderline unplayable for opposing teams recently. Half of that difference-making bottom 6 might also be gone this offseason

There is a fine line to thread here. We don't want to see Hughes go full Yzerman (or even worse... Lamoriello), but make no mistake, if all three of Dvorak, Armia and Evans are gone this offseason, the Habs will be much, much worse to start the next season baring the acquisition of an excellent veteran 3C

I'd say at least one of the UFAs will be re-signed.

• Armia is IMO the likeliest to stay with a 2 years deal at a slight discount compared to now, I'd say I'm 80% sure he stays. He seems to love it here and plays a very thankless role for the Habs. This is a player type that is pretty hard to find, the puck controlling powerforward.
• Then would come Evans with a 50% chance. He'll sign a contract worth 20 millions or more, it's his occasion to cash in. I'm not sure Hughes will be the one to give it though. If he wants a competitive team next season, he has to either find a good replacement or re-sign Evans.
• Dvorak I'd give a 10-20% chance of re-signing. His time here has been blighted by injuries, underperformance and more injuries. Despite being the scapegoat of the fanbase, he's playing some good hockey right now and a rookie would probably do significantly worse than him on a 3rd line. He also seems like a great dude, his teamates really like him.
• Savard I'd give a 10-20% chance, same as Dvorak. The Habs need a RD, but he's declining and I find that Xhekaj has bailed him out a lot this season.

The challenge will be the Evans case of course. If Hughes decides not to re-sign him and to replace him internally, one of Newhook, Beck or Demidov would replace him. He'd also need to either re-sign Dvorak or acquire another bottom 6 C on the UFA market. Replacing both 3C and 4C internally is a catastrophe waiting to happen. The better solution to me would be sign a shutdown C and play one of Beck or Demidov (or even both) on a more offensively inclined line with Armia while Gallagher, Anderson and the new C would be the shutdown line

 

[themilosh]

Perhaps. But Laval’s coaching staff may well share my pessimism as they have removed Mailloux from the Rocket’s number 1 power play unit. Mailloux has many excellent offensive skills: great first pass; good offensive vision and an NHL level shot. But he is largely a stationary player who is easily forechecked and has not demonstrated the skating ability to evade the first forecheckers, transport the puck consistently or create the separation that would allow him to use his elite offensive skills.

Unless he develops more speed and mobility Mailloux will never be more than a fringe NHLer. I would suggest that I’m not the only one who sees his limitations.

I was one of his biggest supporters when Mailloux played in London. But over the past year his development has hit a wall that I fear he will never be able to scale. If I was Hughes I’d be anxious to move Mailloux before his skating limitations are even more exposed.

Welp hopefully youre on Hugos trusted circle. I tend to acknowledge your scouting posts as fact, so if you say he needs to go, i agree.

 

[eklund the clown]

Dach + Matheson + Beck + Reinbacher/ MTL 2025 unprotected for Petterson
this I would think about

Geez the Real Sam Pollock is rolling over in his grave with that offer lol