HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Artem

Habs will need to pick up a veteran Russian NHL player to help Demidov with his adjustment to North America.

Artem Zub would be perfect, he's a reliable RD exactly what we need.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Why? His English is pretty good. Way better than Michkov. He will be okay with out any Russian player with us lol. Habs are also full of players around his age.

Because the Habs have had issues with other high end Russian/Belarussian kids getting overwhelmed by the seedy side of Montreal. I'd like to see him have a veteran Russian player to take him under his wing. It has nothing do do with his English (which is very good).

Artem
Artem Zub would be perfect, he's a reliable RD exactly what we need.

He would be perfect but I can't see the Sens trading him to us.

 

[rahad]

Because the Habs have had issues with other high end Russian/Belarussian kids getting overwhelmed by the seedy side of Montreal. I'd like to see him have a veteran Russian player to take him under his wing. It has nothing do do with his English (which is very good).

He can stay with any of our Vet lol. Just like Slaf did. They will pair him with any of the vet in our team. Probably will do the same for Reinbacher. Unless you find a way to trade for Malkin. I don't see many good Russian Vet available in the market.

Kent and MSL have been very good with our younger player. This is not the same clown team of Marc Bergevin.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

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Because the Habs have had issues with other high end Russian/Belarussian kids getting overwhelmed by the seedy side of Montreal. I'd like to see him have a veteran Russian player to take him under his wing. It has nothing do do with his English (which is very good).


He would be perfect but I can't see the Sens trading him to us.

What about for Mailloux?

 

[Schooner Guy]

I just don't see an intra-division trade like that between two rival teams trying to make strides towards contending.

 

[Sorinth]

Because the Habs have had issues with other high end Russian/Belarussian kids getting overwhelmed by the seedy side of Montreal. I'd like to see him have a veteran Russian player to take him under his wing. It has nothing do do with his English (which is very good).

No offence but this comes off as pretty racist.

In the end we should want Demidov to bond/integrate with the rest of the core players. Do you really think that when he goes out on the town he'd be better off with some random Russian NHLer or with guys like Caufield/Suzuki?

 

[Schooner Guy]

No offence but this comes off as pretty racist.

In the end we should want Demidov to bond/integrate with the rest of the core players. Do you really think that when he goes out on the town he'd be better off with some random Russian NHLer or with guys like Caufield/Suzuki?

No offense but this comes off as pretty offensive.

I'm suggesting we add a Russian mentor because it's a totally different culture. I didn't say "some random Russian". Do you think someone who is anti-Russian would want more Russians?

Go pound sand with your finger pointing nonsense! Boooooooo!

 

[Sorinth]

No offense but this comes off as pretty offensive.

I'm suggesting we add a Russian mentor because it's a totally different culture. I didn't say "some random Russian". Do you think someone who is anti-Russian would want more Russians?

Go pound sand with your finger pointing nonsense! Boooooooo!

Saying we can't trust Demidov to not get overwhelmed by the seedy side of MTL simply because he's Russian is a racist argument.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Saying we can't trust Demidov to not get overwhelmed by the seedy side of MTL simply because he's Russian is a racist argument.

You're taking what I said out of context and you know it. Disappointing. You're normally better than that.

 

[Sorinth]

You're taking what I said out of context and you know it. Disappointing. You're normally better than that.

Then what's the context? Do we need to go out and get an Austrian player so that Reinbacher, was it a mistake not get a veteran Slovak player for Slafkovsky? Or is it only Russians that are at risk?

Also wasn't the rumor at the time that Hamrlik was the one who introduced the Kostitsyn's to that stuff?

 

[salbutera]

such an interesting year ahead for the habs. If they end up in the 2nd WC or just out of it in no man's land, what's HuGo's strategy?
Let's say habs have the 12th and 17th picks? Package them and move up around 8 or 9 and target Desnoyers?
move the picks for a young 2C? Who's available, which team would even make that deal?
Demidov is here soon and could form a deadly 2nd line if Dach continues to work his way back.
Gally and Anderson look like guys who should be kept as habs climb out of rebuild imo.
I'd re-sign Evans...but trade Armia, Dvorak and Savard OR Matheson- if offers are reasonable .
Lots to consider.

Next season is playoffs or bust - so all moves going forward in the offseason is towards building a team that will qualify for playoffs and start winning in the playoffs but the addition(s) need to be within the age window of the core (25-28)

 

[Schooner Guy]

Then what's the context? Do we need to go out and get an Austrian player so that Reinbacher, was it a mistake not get a veteran Slovak player for Slafkovsky? Or is it only Russians that are at risk?

Also wasn't the rumor at the time that Hamrlik was the one who introduced the Kostitsyn's to that stuff?

Dude....you took the banter into the gutter and there's no need of it. I think all young players should be insulated when they arrive at an NHL city. Especially in Montreal. The Habs got Hal Gill to take Price under his wing after Price had some issues early on. Gallagher lived with Gorges (two western Canadian boys). Other organizations have paired young Russian players with Russian mentors. Pittsburgh did it with Malkin and Gonchar. The BlueJackets regretted not having someone to take Zherdeev under their wing when he arrived and by the time they brought in Fedorov, the situation was unsalvageable. Slafkovsky has had other Europeans who played in the same Finnish league as him around him on the Habs after living in Finland since age 14. Russian culture is different than most other European cultures and it doesn't hurt to have a fellow countryman to mentor a kid who has NEVER lived outside his home country. It's not a new concept.

You're out of line to suggest what you did regarding a hockey discussion. That's not fair play.

Hamrlik apparently had some associations with some organized crime dudes but I never heard he was doing the same things the Kostitsyns were doing out on the town.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Saying we can't trust Demidov to not get overwhelmed by the seedy side of MTL simply because he's Russian is a racist argument.

He didn't say that. He said that the Habs might want to be cautious after some of the problems they have had. A teamate that speaks Russian would be nice. Slaf can get together with Mesar now that he is in Laval.

 

[Benstheman]

Kaprisov would be decent mentor for Demidov

 

[RationalExpectations]

such an interesting year ahead for the habs. If they end up in the 2nd WC or just out of it in no man's land, what's HuGo's strategy?
Let's say habs have the 12th and 17th picks? Package them and move up around 8 or 9 and target Desnoyers?
move the picks for a young 2C? Who's available, which team would even make that deal?
Demidov is here soon and could form a deadly 2nd line if Dach continues to work his way back.
Gally and Anderson look like guys who should be kept as habs climb out of rebuild imo.
I'd re-sign Evans...but trade Armia, Dvorak and Savard OR Matheson- if offers are reasonable .
Lots to consider.

Actually ideally you d want to trade Anderson too for cap structure pur poses in my opinion. For me the issue with Matheson is the abundance of LHDs in MTL. I like Guhle Hutson Xhekaj on the left.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Next season is playoffs or bust - so all moves going forward in the offseason is towards building a team that will qualify for playoffs and start winning in the playoffs but the addition(s) need to be within the age window of the core (25-28)

Unless the bounty is substantial, the trading of Matheson with the resulting loss of his great mobility, big playing minutes, leadership and very cap friendly contract would be a regressive move.

I can’t see a plausible transaction where Hughes and MSL would consider trading Matheson. They ascribe to my theory that you trade away Matheson’s level of elite mobility at your franchise’s peril. Couple that with Matheson’s team friendly contract and there’s no way this key component of the team is being moved.

 

[salbutera]

Unless the bounty is substantial, the trading of Matheson with the resulting loss of his great mobility, big playing minutes, leadership and very cap friendly contract would be a regressive move.

I can’t see a plausible transaction where Hughes and MSL would consider trading Matheson. They ascribe to my theory that you trade away Matheson’s level of elite mobility at your franchise’s peril. Couple that with Matheson’s team friendly contract and there’s no way this key component of the team is being moved.

Braden Schneider?

 

[Habs Icing]

Dude....you took the banter into the gutter and there's no need of it. I think all young players should be insulated when they arrive at an NHL city. Especially in Montreal. The Habs got Hal Gill to take Price under his wing after Price had some issues early on. Gallagher lived with Gorges (two western Canadian boys). Other organizations have paired young Russian players with Russian mentors. Pittsburgh did it with Malkin and Gonchar. The BlueJackets regretted not having someone to take Zherdeev under their wing when he arrived and by the time they brought in Fedorov, the situation was unsalvageable. Slafkovsky has had other Europeans who played in the same Finnish league as him around him on the Habs after living in Finland since age 14. Russian culture is different than most other European cultures and it doesn't hurt to have a fellow countryman to mentor a kid who has NEVER lived outside his home country. It's not a new concept.

You're out of line to suggest what you did regarding a hockey discussion. That's not fair play.

Hamrlik apparently had some associations with some organized crime dudes but I never heard he was doing the same things the Kostitsyns were doing out on the town.

1) So why does it have to be a Russian for Russian prospects? Why not Suzuki, Caulfield or Xhekaj?
2) And you've jumped to the Russian conclusion because of the Kostitsyns not because we had problems with other Russians or Belarussians. Did Petrov and Markov need Russian babysitters?

 

[Habs Icing]

Unless the bounty is substantial, the trading of Matheson with the resulting loss of his great mobility, big playing minutes, leadership and very cap friendly contract would be a regressive move.

I can’t see a plausible transaction where Hughes and MSL would consider trading Matheson. They ascribe to my theory that you trade away Matheson’s level of elite mobility at your franchise’s peril. Couple that with Matheson’s team friendly contract and there’s no way this key component of the team is being moved.

I couldn't agree with you more!

 

[Schooner Guy]

1) So why does it have to be a Russian for Russian prospects? Why not Suzuki, Caulfield or Xhekaj?
2) And you've jumped to the Russian conclusion because of the Kostitsyns not because we had problems with other Russians or Belarussians. Did Petrov and Markov need Russian babysitters?

It's all explained in the rest of my post.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Braden Schneider?

While Schneider is a solid defenceman, the drop-off in mobility between him and Matheson would be stark. Without Matheson, our team would be much more vulnerable to a strong forecheck and less dynamic in transition and in game situations where speed and fluidity is paramount (4 on 4, overtime and the powerplay). Unless you are able to replace Matheson's mobility, any transaction where Matheson is traded away would constitute a material step backwards.

The reality is that it would be near impossible to replace Matheson's skill levels with any player who has a sub $5 million contract. What people forget is that in the construction of any NHL team, cap implications are as important a factor as projected on ice contributions. For that reason alone, it is highly unlikely that Hughes will be moving this extremely cost effective player.

 

[ReHabs]

I'm suggesting we add a Russian mentor because it's a totally different culture. I didn't say "some random Russian". Do you think someone who is anti-Russian would want more Russians?

Russian people aren’t so different. I suggest you try speaking with a few. Growing up in Canada I had such a twisted opinion of Russians, Serbs, etc. and it was almost entirely due to never interacting with any and absorbing nonsense through the media. Most people are mundane and normal in most ways.

Gainey’s management was downright negligent and old school — hopefully HuGo’s will not be.

 

[Theodore450]

Saying we can't trust Demidov to not get overwhelmed by the seedy side of MTL simply because he's Russian is a racist argument.

What a dumb post. This right here is why we can’t have civilized conversations. You sound like someone that has no scope.

Obviously you want someone you can relate to and speak the same language too when your being integrated into a team.

Calling someone racists for something that has been tried and tested is simply not a good look.

Go look in depth into sociology

 

[Rapala]

He didn't say that. He said that the Habs might want to be cautious after some of the problems they have had. A teamate that speaks Russian would be nice. Slaf can get together with Mesar now that he is in Laval.

Demidov will get mentorship on and off the ice and it doesn't have to be a Russian.
His english is very good and will get better quickly once he's surrounded by it day in and day out.
There is enough Russian presence in the league he can relate to if he wants that familiarity.
These guys have their own network.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

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What about for Mailloux?

Anyone who has been following Mailloux closely this year would readily see the considerable holes in his game. In Laval, Mailloux's role has clearly been diminished and he has been passed on Montreal's defensive prospect depth chart by both Trudeau and Engstrom. I would suggest that at this stage he has less market value than Barron and unless he is able to pick up that missing level of speed, his time in the Canadiens' organization will soon be coming to an end.