HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[HuGort]

Didn't we say Markov would never get back to his pre-injury form after major knee surgery and yet ... he was much older than Dach when he went through it. Not all surgeries or their fallouts are created equal but there has been a lot of progress made in that specialization, so outcomes should be more favorable than at Markov's time.

Regardless, Dach does not appear to have any physical limitations (that were made public as far as I'm aware) and one reporter who has been observing Dach closely (Patrick Friolet, who watches him at practise, from the press box during games and who speaks to him in the dressing room) opined that his issues are mental, not physical. He may be playing scared or have a fear of re-injury, which takes time to overcome, but that's just an observation -- we don't know for sure.

Dach was playing with reckless abandon last year in camp. Appears he has toned it down. Unfortunately so has his play

 

[yianik]

Remember last year when nobody here would give up a 2nd + for Lafreniere

Yeah and some wanted to trade Suzuki for PLD a couple years ago. Sometimes things are obvious, like getting Laine and a 2nd for Harris because even if it doesnt work out at the moment of the trade it makes sense. Now for sure I would have done a 2nd and more for Laffy, but I also definitely would not have given up a major asset. Hindsight, right ?

 

[Runner77]

The first thing Slaf needs to fix his is shift length. He looked the best this season when his average shifts were around 40 seconds. With Dach/Laine, he's at 1 minutes shift on average and he's totally spent the 2nd half of it. So are his linemates, who could also do with shorter shifts...

Tkachuk's shift length are on average 35-40 seconds long. That's what big guy like that are supposed to be playing. As a whole, Ottawa all plays shorter shifts, it's a real problem with the Habs and they don't have the excuse of being stuck in their own end anymore.

That looks to me to be a coaching issue. If MSL is not enforcing shift durations, that's on him. A player who routinely exceeds the prescribed amount by a significant margin, needs to be called back to order. MSL can make it stop but he just hasn't.

It's been brought up time and again by pundits closest to the team and ex-Hab players. It's been going on ever since MSL was named head coach.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Montreal currently has the 5th best penalty kill this season, but what does it look like next season.

Currently their top 3 penalty kill forwards (by time on ice per game) are Evans, Dvorak, and Armia, who are all unrestricted free agents. I think they might resign Evans but let Dvorak and Armia go (maybe at the trade deadline). Savard, their leading defenceman for penalty kill time on ice is also a UFA (but I think Guhle’s ice time will be increased next season on the PK).

Who plays the PK next season at forward, especially if all 3 forwards move on? Will it be Anderson, Beck, and Suzuki, or are they going to have to add someone in the offseason.

I’ve been saying for a while that they should get Slaf out there to kill penalties.

I think having him sit on the bench for extended periods of time doesn’t do him any good. Keep him invested

 

[WeThreeKings]

Ask your boy @WeThreeKings

Youve gotta find a new obsession.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Montreal currently has the 5th best penalty kill this season, but what does it look like next season.

Currently their top 3 penalty kill forwards (by time on ice per game) are Evans, Dvorak, and Armia, who are all unrestricted free agents. I think they might resign Evans but let Dvorak and Armia go (maybe at the trade deadline). Savard, their leading defenceman for penalty kill time on ice is also a UFA (but I think Guhle’s ice time will be increased next season on the PK).

Who plays the PK next season at forward, especially if all 3 forwards move on? Will it be Anderson, Beck, and Suzuki, or are they going to have to add someone in the offseason.

Hopefully we re-sign Evans we're not that deep down center. Plus, he's a rare 7th round home grown.

If we don't resign any of them, then yeah, it'll be Suzuki, Anderson, Beck, it'll depend on what our center position is like. Suzuki, Beck will be there. The other 2 spots are wide open. We'll see about Dach.

We definitely have room to sign Evans.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Funny thing is I think Newhook is the one that has the most chances of translating potential into progress. Dach seems to be too lazy and not committed enough to ever have another stretch of games where he looks like his draft rank' promises.

IMO Dach was drafted too high. I liked Zegras, Caufield in the top 5 and Newhook more. Probably Boldy too. Of course Seider should have been but he was hard to evaluate.

 

[therocket9]

Hopefully we re-sign Evans we're not that deep down center. Plus, he's a rare 7th round home grown.

If we don't resign any of them, then yeah, it'll be Suzuki, Anderson, Beck, it'll depend on what our center position is like. Suzuki, Beck will be there. The other 2 spots are wide open. We'll see about Dach.

We definitely have room to sign Evans.

If Dach is not here next year probably means he has been traded for a veteran center.....and also Kapanen could win a spot at center in training camp and can also sign a veteran center like Gourde.

 

[jrom]

Exactly the difference between Slaf and Tkachuk is Slaf wants to and is being asked to have a defensive consciousness.
I'm not surprised Slaf is having difficulty balancing his game between the loose game of last season and accountability this year.
I see signs of improvement and once he trusts and has confidence in his own instincts he will play faster hockey.

He also needs a C that can drive the play

 

[sampollock]

Tkachuk is gawd awful defensively. This guy dogs it defensively. He's no leader & is a huge whiner on the ice. It's a big reason Ottawa sucks.

NYR put out that Post article to let Tkachuk know they want him. They are hoping he asks for a trade since Ottawa seems to be going no where again.

I don't see Ottawa trading him anywhere in the East if they get to that.

Where do posts come from thinking they're going to sign this guy. Tkachuk

 

[McGees]

Didn't we say Markov would never get back to his pre-injury form after major knee surgery and yet ...

YES!

 

[Rapala]

Didn't we say Markov would never get back to his pre-injury form after major knee surgery and yet ... he was much older than Dach when he went through it. Not all surgeries or their fallouts are created equal but there has been a lot of progress made in that specialization, so outcomes should be more favorable than at Markov's time.

Regardless, Dach does not appear to have any physical limitations (that were made public as far as I'm aware) and one reporter who has been observing Dach closely (Patrick Friolet, who watches him at practise, from the press box during games and who speaks to him in the dressing room) opined that his issues are mental, not physical. He may be playing scared or have a fear of re-injury, which takes time to overcome, but that's just an observation -- we don't know for sure.

Markov like Koivu was never quite the same skater neither was Galchenyuk.
So while I don't doubt Dach is lost in his own head I'm leery about his explosiveness.
I don't see him separating himself from players like we once did and as a player you are certainly never going to admit that to a member of the media.
So while Dach may be referring to the structure of his knee as being sound it's possible he will never find the acceleration he once had.

 

[HuGort]

Yeah we knew that. The only way it could have happened is through a waiver claim.

I would have picked up Trouba. Even tossed a Barron to Rangers. Tell him play in Montreal for a couple of months with Marty. We'll you back to a contender at deadline.

I can picture him with a team like Florida. Way he hits in playoffs. Habs would have got a first plus more. Trouba half retained has good value.

 

[Rapala]

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YES!

Markov was never the same skater he once was.

He also needs a C that can drive the play

Coach has to trust him again to re-instate him. Unless Suzuki asks for him specifically.

 

[sampollock]

No solid Hab rumors

 

[gusfring]

No solid Hab rumors

Happy being last in the East....

 

[MarkovsKnee]

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YES!

Yeah, I took that username on during all the drama here over Markov's knee. Lol He got back from one ACL tear than a week later he blew out the same knee again. I think I did it a week after the 2nd ACL tear. People were like, oh no you didn't. Lol

 

[sampollock]

Happy being last in the East....

And proud of IT

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Where do posts come from thinking they're going to sign this guy. Tkachuk

It's a dream for people who wish we could go back & draft him over KK, but you can't go back only forward. It's never going to happen, like never, never. It's pure fantasy.

If Ottawa ever gets to the point they decide to trade him, he's going to the US.

He's UFA in 2028. If they can't get him to sign, they'll likely look at a sign & trade in 2027, which is still 2 years away.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Happy being last in the East....

To be fair who are they trying to get ?

The team needs another top prospect.

Habs need to sell something to western teams to help them push Calgary down.

 

[sampollock]

To be fair who are they trying to get ?

The team needs another top prospect.

Habs need to sell something to western teams to help them push Calgary down.

Top 3 pick is a good thing

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Top 3 pick is a good thing

Exactly.

Team has already shown they're not good.

Before the season even started it was obvious the Habs needed another top pick.

Getting Hagene, Martone, Misa, Schaefer is waht the team needs.

Hopefully they can get another solid pick with the flames.

Next year, hopefully do better and finish around 10th, preferably a bit higher at like 12th, 13th, use some more currency (hopefully another 2026 pick is acquired between now and the deadline), move up to just inside the top 10 and grab yet another high-end prospect and start going from there.

 

[eklund the clown]

I know it's been said a 1000 times and their may be truth to it but why do most say can't trade this guy or that guy in the same division or conference?If the guy they want to trade is that good that they are worried that the opposing team is going to crush them every game for 10 years?It just doesn't make a lot of sense.Like for example trading Tkachuk from the Sens to the Habs .Both teams stink and will not be a rivalry to win anything for many years.Never understood this reasoning.

 

[Rapala]

Hopefully we re-sign Evans we're not that deep down center. Plus, he's a rare 7th round home grown.

If we don't resign any of them, then yeah, it'll be Suzuki, Anderson, Beck, it'll depend on what our center position is like. Suzuki, Beck will be there. The other 2 spots are wide open. We'll see about Dach.

We definitely have room to sign Evans.

Heineman should be able to PK without a problem.

 

[Deus ex machina]

To be fair who are they trying to get ?

The team needs another top prospect.

Habs need to sell something to western teams to help them push Calgary down.

The way things are trending, it's Calgary that's gonna need the help if we want them to not finish in the bottom 10.