HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Captain Mountain]

Don’t forget the 8.7 cap hit. Remember what happened in Toronto when they got Tavares?

Right now we’ve got a good cost structure. Guys will likely be hesitant to negotiate much beyond Nick. But when you start adding guys who make more, then greed kicks in.

And as our most expensive player, he’d some in with huge pressure. This is not the right market. I think he’d struggle mentally and you know that people here would be all over him on his first slump.

For two seasons. Two seasons Montreal doesn't need the cap space and with no implication that he's a core piece or setting the table. Its not like teams haven't acquired contracts like his in the past without resetting the cap. You think Every middle 6 forward Montreal has is going to try to get above 6 mil because Monahan was paid that in 2022-2023? Did Monahan have undue pressure when he was Montreal's 3rd highest paid player in 2022-2023?

Tavares is part of Toronto's "core-4" (or "core-5"). The issue wasn't the salary, it was that he was signed long term as a core piece. If Laine were to be acquired and demonstrates play at a high enough level the would lead to him being re-signed at a big number, then that's just a massive win.

How he would handle the baseline pressure of the market is a fair question and consideration, but unless Montreal trades the equivalent of Sergachev for him, I don't buy that he'd have more pressure because of a high salary because it doesn't really make sense why.

 

[Egresch]

2 year contract is not bad, I would think CBJ would eat like 2 mil

They have a lot of cap space, so they can easily retain 50% and increase his value, but I do not think this is the case. This will be more about finding right place for Laine. We can eat the whole salary and CBJ can just move on from him completely.

 

[Egresch]

Don’t forget the 8.7 cap hit. Remember what happened in Toronto when they got Tavares?

Right now we’ve got a good cost structure. Guys will likely be hesitant to negotiate much beyond Nick. But when you start adding guys who make more, then greed kicks in.

And as our most expensive player, he’d some in with huge pressure. This is not the right market. I think he’d struggle mentally and you know that people here would be all over him on his first slump.

You know our best paid player is "permanently injured" Carey Price, right? Just to be precise because people keep saying it is Nick.

 

[Vachon23]

I thought Perron was terrible for Detroit down the stretch. He did exactly nothing against us.

11 pts in his last 10 games and 1 G 2 A in his last 2 games against MTL.

I don’t find that terrible personally

 

[Archijerej]

They have a lot of cap space, so they can easily retain 50% and increase his value, but I do not think this is the case. This will be more about finding right place for Laine. We can eat the whole salary and CBJ can just move on from him completely.

Why ask Columbus to retain salary when it's a perfect opportunity to dump Anderson instead?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I thought Perron was terrible for Detroit down the stretch. He did exactly nothing against us.

Yup, not the same player he was. I rather keep Anderson, Dvorak, Armia, Gallagher vs signing Perron.

So I guess he's not a core piece? Because he's not our best defenseman.

You actually have to be good at playing defense to be a good defenseman.

Very good offensive D and OK at defense. I feel fans are exaggerating his defensive flaws beyond what it is.

 

[WeThreeKings]

We really are at the point where any hockeydb page with a 50 pt season means we desperately need the guy, forget everything else that makes a player successful, aren't we?

 

[Miller Time]

Sure but you have to acknowledge the history of the player as well, especially given the type of injury he had.

Indeed. Which is why I've specified, multiple times, that the Habs medical team green lighting it is an obvious gate. Goes without saying, one would think?

Its great he had a complete season the year past and that's put him firmly in the position he wanted when he signed a 1yr deal, last year.

But I think its also fair to say that teams aren't exactly going to completely write off what happened the 3 seasons prior to it.

Yup... And hence why the team whose medical staff has worked with him these past two years are best placed to asses the recovery and likely stability or degeneration.

Again my thing is less about the player and his injuries, more about where this team is now and moving forward like I said in the previous post.

There I disagree fully. I think he's a pretty perfect fit for what we need at this point, both from pov of roster and direction needs

He's going to have teams interested who are more willing than the Habs are to sign him to a longer term deal, I think that's what he's looking for, security, and I don't think the Habs should be the team offering that appeal.

Yes, we've covered that, no? You think 2yrs max, I think 3-4 (with med team green light).

Id agree that I doubt he'll settle for 2. Will anyone offer him 4+, I don't know... Would he take 3-4 with us vs 4-5 with another team? Also don't know.

Safe bet that we'll find out on July 1, as I suspect he'll be one of the first to sign.

 

[Egresch]

Why ask Columbus to retain salary when it's a perfect opportunity to dump Anderson instead?

I do not think CBJ wants to take Anderson. They would prefer Dvorak/Evans, vet C with 1y left.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I do not think CBJ wants to take Anderson. They would prefer Dvorak/Evans, vet C with 1y left.

Armia also a possibility

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

11 pts in his last 10 games and 1 G 2 A in his last 2 games against MTL.

I don’t find that terrible personally

He also played a huge part in getting Detroit to OT both games. The first game he had a primary assist on the late goal to send it to OT, then the second game he scored the tying goal with 5 seconds left to send it to OT.

 

[Vachon23]

He also played a huge part in getting Detroit to OT both games. The first game he had a primary assist on the late goal to send it to OT, then the second game he scored the tying goal with 5 seconds left to send it to OT.

And he’s a beast in puck battle along the board

 

[Habssince89]

Armia also a possibility

zero reason to trade Armia when he isn't a capdump. Not the same and Anderson/Gally

 

[Naslundforever]

Don’t forget the 8.7 cap hit. Remember what happened in Toronto when they got Tavares?

Right now we’ve got a good cost structure. Guys will likely be hesitant to negotiate much beyond Nick. But when you start adding guys who make more, then greed kicks in.

And as our most expensive player, he’d some in with huge pressure. This is not the right market. I think he’d struggle mentally and you know that people here would be all over him on his first slump.

Habs have had nothing but slumping players though, we’re used to it. Guys like Anderson and Drouin and their year-long goal-less streaks come to mind. We’re even collectively numb at this point.

I think we’re over-stating the market nowadays; kids who barely ever watched hockey had the habs cup run at the center of the only feel-good bit about being isolated throughout lockdown, and habs were still a horrible team with a hot goalie.

Also the entire forward group that matters has a contract except Slaf, no? I doubt Evans and Armia get greedy because Laine lol I wish habs had players who could make a point for a 8-9 mil$/y contract!

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

zero reason to trade Armia when he isn't a capdump. Not the same and Anderson/Gally

There's zero reason for the jackets to take on Anderson or Gally's contract. Both contracts are worse than Laines...

 

[HuGort]

Here’s the deal though. Montreal Canadiens don’t owe Laine anything. He’s not a Hab, these issues didn’t develop while he was a member of the organization. It’s an outside issue, by inserting yourself your now making it an internal issue and spending resources to try and address the issue.

In the realm of professional sports, athletes need to be at their absolute peak both physically and mentally in order to perform at the level expected of them. Acquiring a player with issues in either realm requires extensive vetting in order to determine if you think the player can be rehabilitated , and in a case where your trading for the player, how to factor in what is the perceived risk-vs-reward - what’s the max your willing to pay/invest into the player?

Laine’s mental health struggles spans many years, and now atleast two NHL organizations. One would like to think those organizations have provided adequate support and treatment to the player, if not that’s a separate issue…

Mental health is not something that is easily diagnosed or treated, in some cases the person will simply never function like a neurotypical person does in teams of capacity.

This isn’t a guy flipping burgers that just needs some SSRI’s to get by, it’s a heavy investment.

I've seen Laine dog it many times though. He be ripped here in Montreal for it. Be a circus

 

[Team_Spirit]

Vachon23; *Let's sign this 50pts 35yo PP specialist*

Everybody;

 

[Habssince89]

There's zero reason for the jackets to take on Anderson or Gally's contract. Both contracts are worse than Laines...

Okay but it still is bad asset management to lose Armia and keep those two.

Once again for the people in the back, Armia has net positive value, his contract is not like Gallagher or Anderson's. Stop equating them in trade proposals

 

[eklund the clown]

There's zero reason for the jackets to take on Anderson or Gally's contract. Both contracts are worse than Laines...

Not only that concerning Laine and Anderson,,, they both have no trade clauses.I think Laine is 10 teams and Anderson is 15 .Columbus is surely on Anderson's list as he was traded from there.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Okay but it still is bad asset management to lose Armia and keep those two.

Once again for the people in the back, Armia has net positive value, his contract is not like Gallagher or Anderson's. Stop equating them in trade proposals

Armia isn't worth much right now. A mid-round pick at best. If Armia is included in a package for Laine, it doesn't mean he has a negative value. He's included to make it work better cap space-wise and roster spot-wise for the habs, and the jackets likely won't mind taking him.

 

[ReHabs]

I've seen Laine dog it many times though. He be ripped here in Montreal for it. Be a circus

Drouin was a dog for 70-80% of his tenure in Montreal and was never ripped for it. In fact he was supported unconditionally. I think you're being too severe toward Montreal fans.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Drouin was a dog for 70-80% of his tenure in Montreal and was never ripped for it. In fact he was supported unconditionally. I think you're being too severe toward Montreal fans.

Drouin never being ripped for dogging it is one of the hottest takes I've seen here in a while, and I like the idea of Montreal acquiring Laine.

 

[Heffyhoof]

It's so silly, I can literally spell out what I think and believe but welcome to clown world.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Vachon23; *Let's sign this 50pts 35yo PP specialist*

Everybody;

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That’s how I feel in the draft thread when I suggest taking Eiserman.

For two seasons. Two seasons Montreal doesn't need the cap space and with no implication that he's a core piece or setting the table. Its not like teams haven't acquired contracts like his in the past without resetting the cap. You think Every middle 6 forward Montreal has is going to try to get above 6 mil because Monahan was paid that in 2022-2023? Did Monahan have undue pressure when he was Montreal's 3rd highest paid player in 2022-2023?

Tavares is part of Toronto's "core-4" (or "core-5"). The issue wasn't the salary, it was that he was signed long term as a core piece. If Laine were to be acquired and demonstrates play at a high enough level the would lead to him being re-signed at a big number, then that's just a massive win.

How he would handle the baseline pressure of the market is a fair question and consideration, but unless Montreal trades the equivalent of Sergachev for him, I don't buy that he'd have more pressure because of a high salary because it doesn't really make sense why.

Okay, forget the contract portion.

I’m still not a fan of this move. And I absolutely think the fans would get on him the moment he went cold. You’ve seen this place when a player slumps. And I just don’t think this guy has the mental makeup for Montreal.

You know our best paid player is "permanently injured" Carey Price, right? Just to be precise because people keep saying it is Nick.

“Akshually…”

Come on man…

Habs have had nothing but slumping players though, we’re used to it. Guys like Anderson and Drouin and their year-long goal-less streaks come to mind. We’re even collectively numb at this point.

And Drouin had to stop playing hockey altogether for a while. He suffered deep depression and Laine also has red flags on this front. I don’t think we’re the right fit.

 

[Vachon23]

Vachon23; *Let's sign this 50pts 35yo PP specialist*

Everybody;

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I’m not the one who came with Perron

It’s not like if we couldn’t use help on the PP

And the end of the day, he’s the UFA that make the most sense since he won’t ask for term/that much money and he will take a spot before the guy we will take at 5 will be ready