HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Habssince89]

It makes zero sense to lump Armia in with Anderson and Gallagher. Money's not the same. Terms not similar. And Armia is a way more useful player who earns his money through more than points. It seems alot of people here just want to force the Armia narrative because it becomes an easy thing to whine about by purposely moving the goalposts about what we should expect from him. Armia deserves more respect. Thankfully actual hockey managers will give him his due.

 

[le_sean]

Do they have any other centers?

Stamkos, assuming they sign him. Point, Stamkos, Paul is enough. Cirelli seems wasted there

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

It makes zero sense to lump Armia in with Anderson and Gallagher. Money's not the same. Terms not similar. And Armia is a way more useful player who earns his money through more than points. It seems alot of people here just want to force the Armia narrative because it becomes an easy thing to whine about by purposely moving the goalposts about what we should expect from him. Armia deserves more respect. Thankfully actual hockey managers will give him his due.

Armia still an overpaid 4th liner. He was bad enough to go in the ahl last season.

 

[Canadiens98]

Armia still an overpaid 4th liner. He was bad enough to go in the ahl last season.

To be fair, after coming back up he was a completely different player.

 

[Zilo44]

To be fair, after coming back up he was a completely different player.

Yeah Anderson and Gallagher are way worse contract wise

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

To be fair, after coming back up he was a completely different player.

I mean yeah he could play on the 4th line.
Don't know what to say , guy had 18min of icetime an entire season and still couldnt produce more than 30 points a season.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Yeah Anderson and Gallagher are way worse contract wise

Dvo, Armia, Gallagher and Anderson, these guys need to go ASAP. That's it...lol.

If the Habs wanted to sign any of these players and the interest was mutual, its not Armia, Anderson, Gallagher and Dvorak’s contracts that would prevent them.

Thesecontracts are only a hindrance on Molson’s pockets right now, they're not preventing the Habs from making moves.

These guys take up 20 mil on the cap together. They are definately not a nuissance.

 

[417]

These guys take up 20 mil on the cap together. They are definately not a nuissance.

Just saying, if Sam Reinhart gave the Habs an indication he wanted to sign in Montreal, I don't think the Habs would say “well wish we could but we've got Armia, Dvorak, Gallagher and Anderson on the books so best of luck to you”.

As I said earlier, Dvorak and Armia are the last year of their deals.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dvorak to the Blue Jackets for whatever we can get back. I'm sure the Jackets would welcome some center depth because last season was brutal for them.

Then what do you offer for Necas and Kotkaniemi? That would free up a lot of cap space for the Canes which is what they are looking for (it appears).

Would you include one of Beck or Kapanen if you got back Kotkaniemi?
* Jets 1st
* Beck or Kapanen
* Barron

Taking KK on top of Necas makes it interesting in terms of a lower trade offer because you are taking KK's contract and a struggling player.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Just saying, if Sam Reinhart gave the Habs an indication he wanted to sign in Montreal, I don't think the Habs would say “well wish we could but we've got Armia, Dvorak, Gallagher and Anderson on the books so best of luck to you”.

As I said earlier, Dvorak and Armia are the last year of their deals.

Neither Dvorak or Armia are hard to move with one year left and a cap that has increased. Both players have depth value and the bottom 10 teams would be interested if the cost was 3rd rounders +

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

With Gorton in Montreal and his past in NY is there a possibility that the Habs make a trade offer for Kaapo Kakko? He needs a fresh start elsewhere and could he be a possible acquisition? I don't know much about his game but his NHL results have been underwhelming. I remember watching him in the World Juniors and he looked like a player that might be a goal scorer in the NHL. Is his skating holding him back or is it a lack of talent?

If it's for a 3rd, sure, but not for a 1st, or anything.

 

[Deebs]

Dvorak to the Blue Jackets for whatever we can get back. I'm sure the Jackets would welcome some center depth because last season was brutal for them.

Then what do you offer for Necas and Kotkaniemi? That would free up a lot of cap space for the Canes which is what they are looking for (it appears).

Would you include one of Beck or Kapanen if you got back Kotkaniemi?
* Jets 1st
* Beck or Kapanen
* Barron

Taking KK on top of Necas makes it interesting in terms of a lower trade offer because you are taking KK's contract and a struggling player.

There's no reason to take on a dud like Kotkaniemi.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Armia still an overpaid 4th liner. He was bad enough to go in the ahl last season.

When he doesn't show up, he is a 4th liner or depth guy. When he shows up (which he did after his AHL kick in the ass), he is a good 3rd liner.

Jan 1st+, Armia had 21 pts in 46 games with 13 goals. That's what he can do when he shows up and most know this. It's a consistency issue.

 

[Saundies]

Dvorak to the Blue Jackets for whatever we can get back. I'm sure the Jackets would welcome some center depth because last season was brutal for them.

Then what do you offer for Necas and Kotkaniemi? That would free up a lot of cap space for the Canes which is what they are looking for (it appears).

Would you include one of Beck or Kapanen if you got back Kotkaniemi?
* Jets 1st
* Beck or Kapanen
* Barron

Taking KK on top of Necas makes it interesting in terms of a lower trade offer because you are taking KK's contract and a struggling player.

Purely out of spite but I want zero part of KK back at all. Not only do I not like him or the idea of him coming back, but that contract is a damn albatross and I'm glad we didn't sign it and that the Canes are stuck with it after trying to pull a bigbrain 5000 move after the Aho offersheet.

KK is starting the enter the "he is who he is" stage of his career, aka a 30 pt C who can't keep it together over long stretches of the season.

I wouldn't add anything to get KK. If anything, the Canes would have to subtract assets from my original offer for Necas just to take him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

There's no reason to take on a dud like Kotkaniemi.

Depends on what MSL and Gorton/Hughes think about his future. Remember, he was a long term prospect when drafted and most forget about this. I bet you he has a solid age 25-30 prime.

The 1st half of his term will be undervalue. The 2nd half maybe overvalue (based on the AAV). It's worth evaluating more.... especially if it lowers the Necas trade value

 

[Deebs]

Depends on what MSL and Gorton/Hughes think about his future. Remember, he was a long term prospect when drafted and most forget about this. I bet you he has a solid age 25-30 prime.

He won't, he's not driven enough. He is what he is and that's an overpaid bottom 6 forward.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He won't, he's not driven enough. He is what he is and that's an overpaid bottom 6 forward.

I don't see it absolute like this. I see many NHL Players who are late to the maturity and have very good age 25-30 prime years. KK maybe one of them.

Purely out of spite but I want zero part of KK back at all. Not only do I not like him or the idea of him coming back, but that contract is a damn albatross and I'm glad we didn't sign it and that the Canes are stuck with it after trying to pull a bigbrain 5000 move after the Aho offersheet.

KK is starting the enter the "he is who he is" stage of his career, aka a 30 pt C who can't keep it together over long stretches of the season.

I wouldn't add anything to get KK. If anything, the Canes would have to subtract assets from my original offer for Necas just to take him.

Yes, the bold part is why we might be interested. Necas's trade value is lowered with KK in the package and then you wonder what kind of age 25+ years KK has. It could turn out very well depending on what we give.

Jets 1st, Kapanen, and Barron
for
Necas and KK

KK and Beck can be the bottom 2C's behind Dach and Suzuki. KK is 23 and soon to be 24. I bet you he has a much better prime (age 25-30) than what most can see today based on his current struggles with Brindamour.

If the cost is higher than what I posted above in bold, I pass.

 

[Kosseca]

I think he’s gonna be overpaid

That why i'm not interested... and I dont think he can play top 6 for us.

 

[Doublechin]

I don't see it absolute like this. I see many NHL Players who are late to the maturity and have very good age 25-30 prime years. KK maybe one of them.



Yes, the bold part is why we might be interested. Necas's trade value is lowered with KK in the package and then you wonder what kind of age 25+ years KK has. It could turn out very well depending on what we give.

Jets 1st, Kapanen, and Barron
for
Necas and KK

KK and Beck can be the bottom 2C's behind Dach and Suzuki. KK is 23 and soon to be 24. I bet you he has a much better prime (age 25-30) than what most can see today based on his current struggles with Brindamour.

If the cost is higher than what I posted above in bold, I pass.

If I'm landing KK it's to buy him out

 

[Deebs]

If I'm landing KK it's to buy him out

If I'm landing on KK it's with a plane.

 

[EveryDay]

Would you think that Owen Beck + Winnipeg 1st + 1 D(Struble/Harris/Barron) would be enough to get Necas from Carolina?

 

[417]

Dvorak to the Blue Jackets for whatever we can get back. I'm sure the Jackets would welcome some center depth because last season was brutal for them.

Then what do you offer for Necas and Kotkaniemi? That would free up a lot of cap space for the Canes which is what they are looking for (it appears).

Would you include one of Beck or Kapanen if you got back Kotkaniemi?
* Jets 1st
* Beck or Kapanen
* Barron

Taking KK on top of Necas makes it interesting in terms of a lower trade offer because you are taking KK's contract and a struggling player.

Imagine being Kotkaniemi if this happens, may as well change his last name to Cuckniemi ...Habs and Canes keep using him in their sick and twisted game lol.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I wouldn't take back Kk with Necas, that'd be 12-13 million commited to 2 players that I don't think move the needle all that much. There's much better ways to spend that cap space.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Would you think that Owen Beck + Winnipeg 1st + 1 D(Struble/Harris/Barron) would be enough to get Necas from Carolina?

In 3 years when Montreal is ready to compete, which player is more valuable, a 1M third line center strong on defense and faceoffs, or a 7M + winger who is defensively weak? Which will be easier to acquire? Take Beck out of any trade offer for what the team doesn't need in the next 2 years.

 

[Bottomshelf]

If Armia comes back at plays as well as he did the second half of last season will be worth a fair amount at the deadline, and frankly given our winger depth barring any trades we could see him in the top 6 at times.