HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[bcv]

Why are people so low on Barron ? Many fans ask for patience towards young players but if therey are not top 2Dmen after 2 years they want to trade them…

Because roster size has limits and waivers exemption are a thing of the past for him. Decisions are required now, not when he figures it out.

 

[le_sean]

It seems Arthur Kaliyev asked for a trade..

1 for 1 : Barron vs Kaliyev ?

For me its a yes and if I was a LAK fan, I probably say yes too.

No thanks. Barron can actually help as a depth defenceman. Kaliyev just sits around on a PP and waits to one-time it. He offers nothing.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Don’t think anyone is suggesting $9m. I wouldn’t sign him for that. But the $7-7.5m range is fair for all parties.

Some fans apparently want to pay him more than Suzuki i.e above 8m apparently because of the cap increase.

 

[bcv]

Some fans apparently want to pay him more than Suzuki i.e above 8m apparently because of the cap increase.

And some fans don't want to pay him more than 6M. In both cases, it's a small minority.

 

[417]

Because roster size has limits and waivers exemption are a thing of the past for him. Decisions are required now, not when he figures it out.

They’re not going to risk losing him to waivers, they'd waive Kovacevic before that

 

[RationalExpectations]

Because roster size has limits and waivers exemption are a thing of the past for him. Decisions are required now, not when he figures it out.

So you lose Barron to have a shot at keeping kovacevic Harris and Struble ? Are the Habs that deep at RD ?

 

[sampollock]

I say keep your eye on Laine to the habs...gut feel

 

[Kosseca]

I am a LAK fan and I say no.

Barron is not the player Kings need.
LA needs physical LD prospect, physical forward prospects, good goalie prospect or good draft pick.
Barron is none of those.
Kaliev is very talented scoring forward, but he did not work out in LA.
A lot of teams looking at him as buy low options for fairly cheap trade now.
In my opinion, when a lot of teams trying to do this to buy low option it will become fair trade option.

I dont know enough about Kaliev so I can't comment on him and his value, but if LA is looking at a physical LD... that scream Struble

 

[kinghock]

I dont know enough about Kaliev so I can't comment on him and his value, but if LA is looking at a physical LD... that scream Struble

I think it is fair offer.

 

[le_sean]

I say keep your eye on Laine to the habs...gut feel

Did we not learn anything from Drouin? Why would we trade for a guy that can’t even mentally handle playing for Columbus?

 

[HabbyGuy]

I don’t have a link here but Martin McGuire on BPM said that Kent Hughes isn’t busy getting a contract for Slaf but rather he’s constantly on his phone these days talking to people looking for an acquisition

The question is, who is he calling?

 

[Captain Mountain]

I think it is fair offer.

It makes a lot more sense from a Montreal POV too tbh.

 

[bcv]

They’re not going to risk losing him to waivers, they'd waive Kovacevic before that

There's more than 1 guy that needs to go to make room. There's basically 9 guy that are in the mix for the NHL spots.

Matheson
Savard
Harris
Struble
Barron
Kovacevic
Xhekaj
Guhle
Hutson

That's not even including Reinbacher who could very well show up in camp ready for the big league. Or guys like Mailloux and Engstrom who could surprise as well.

So you lose Barron to have a shot at keeping kovacevic Harris and Struble ? Are the Habs that deep at RD ?

See above for Kovacevic but Harris and Struble showed much more in the pros than Barron did, so yes, I would trade him before those 2. I would be in favor of trading Harris/Struble before him as they're LHD and would most likely return a little more than Barron, which would return basically future considerations or another struggling prospect.

 

[themilosh]

I don't know how many times I've brought this up. It's kind of relevant.

Expecting players to negotiate their contracts based Nick Suzuki's deal that was negotiated during a flat cap, when the cap is growing, is just not realistic.

on the same token, I prefer our top 6 (all) being paid btw 7M-9M. the standard has been set with Suzuki and it looks like Hugo are very active about getting players signed earl(ier).

 

[BLONG7]

I dont know enough about Kaliev so I can't comment on him and his value, but if LA is looking at a physical LD... that scream Struble

Struble makes sense, for sure.....
Kings and the Habs could make trading partners....

 

[BLONG7]

There's more than 1 guy that needs to go to make room. There's basically 9 guy that are in the mix for the NHL spots.

Matheson
Savard
Harris
Struble
Barron
Kovacevic
Xhekaj
Guhle
Hutson

That's not even including Reinbacher who could very well show up in camp ready for the big league. Or guys like Mailloux and Engstrom who could surprise as well.



See above for Kovacevic but Harris and Struble showed much more in the pros than Barron did, so yes, I would trade him before those 2. I would be in favor of trading Harris/Struble before him as they're LHD and would most likely return a little more than Barron, which would return basically future considerations or another struggling prospect.

The development process, now, allows everyone to be patient. There should be no rushing anyone to the NHL.
We do though, have to make a more, or two really to get the ball rolling, in order to turn the team over to more of our young players.
Our vets have like Matheson and Savard on the back end are very valuable to us, and other teams.
How to proceed? That's up to the tandem that now runs the show.
This..............is a pleasant problem unlike some of the stench left behind by the previous crowd.

 

[CanadienShark]

Agreed...who said otherwise? Has anyone suggested the Habs should pay Necas 10M/yr?

But the line has been drawn at paying a player market value. I'm not sure how paying what would place a guy about 80th in the league in cap hit, blowing the Habs salary structure, especially when you consider the cap is growing and that number will just continue to go lower.

It reminds me of some fans who said Nick Suzuki making 7.8M when he signed his deal completely overpaid, I argued then that in a few years it would be a bargain and that deal today is an absolute bargain.

Meh, ignore them. Suzuki was always going to be an excellent player. If I recall correctly, I was over the moon with the Pacioretty trade because I thought he could turn into a #1C. Obviously it's taken some time, but he's continually progressed as a player and leader since day 1.

 

[sampollock]

Did we not learn anything from Drouin? Why would we trade for a guy that can’t even mentally handle playing for Columbus?

thing is we don't really know why is out, I just like to think he will be ok is all

PLD is lazy and a dud.. I guess we see

 

[417]

There's more than 1 guy that needs to go to make room. There's basically 9 guy that are in the mix for the NHL spots.

Matheson
Savard
Harris
Struble
Barron
Kovacevic
Xhekaj
Guhle
Hutson

That's not even including Reinbacher who could very well show up in camp ready for the big league. Or guys like Mailloux and Engstrom who could surprise as well.

Yes I understand that but Hughes from what we've seen isn't big on losing assets for nothing. They spent the entire year hoarding 3 goalies, I can't see him just exposing Barron to waivers cause he'd get snapped up in a second.

Also I know Barron isn't the most popular around here, but whose to say he doesn't have a strong camp and make himself part of the top 6 right off the bat? He's still a very talented player, I think he's been written off way too quickly.

 

[417]

on the same token, I prefer our top 6 (all) being paid btw 7M-9M. the standard has been set with Suzuki and it looks like Hugo are very active about getting players signed earl(ier).

Meh...i'm not as concerned personally. Like I said earlier, I remember participating in multiple debates when the Habs signed Suzuki to his extension, a lot of folks were concerned about how a guy who had proven so little, got paid so much money.

Now he's become the standard that all upcoming players on the team must be under. It's all relative, contracts whether they're good or bad change from year to year, I don't really get caught up in that. I want the team to assemble the best lineup possible and that means some guys will be overpaid, some guys will be underpaid. It all balances itself out.

 

[morhilane]

The question is, who is he calling?

Everyone, Hughes is trying to improve the team and looking for the deals out there. Habs have a surplus of Ds, picks and UFAs. Just need to find matches.

 

[bcv]

Yes I understand that but Hughes from what we've seen isn't big on losing assets for nothing. They spent the entire year hoarding 3 goalies, I can't see him just exposing Barron to waivers cause he'd get snapped up in a second.

Also I know Barron isn't the most popular around here, but whose to say he doesn't have a strong camp and make himself part of the top 6 right off the bat? He's still a very talented player, I think he's been written off way too quickly.

I agree, I've never argued he should be waived. He should be traded before having to be put on waivers.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Why are people so low on Barron ? Many fans ask for patience towards young players but if therey are not top 2Dmen after 2 years they want to trade them…

Barron's put up 12 goals and 30 points in 94 games despite playing minimal on the PP, there is a room for improvement on the defensive side but given he's only 22 years old he can still improve.

Thomas Harley is a good example of why it is important to be patient with young D. He spent time in the AHL and NHL the last three years, had his ups and downs, then broke out this year as a 22 year old.

 

[The Great Weal]

Barron's put up 12 goals and 30 points in 94 games despite playing minimal on the PP, there is a room for improvement on the defensive side but given he's only 22 years old he can still improve.

Thomas Harley is a good example of why it is important to be patient with young D. He spent time in the AHL and NHL the last three years, had his ups and downs, then broke out this year as a 22 year old.

Fair enough, but if Barron doesn't blow everyone away at camp, he's going to be a #7 dman given that he needs waivers.

 

[HABitual Fan]

My concern with Necas is that if he remains the player he is now, you risk having an overpaid 3rd liner in a couple of years as the team will need someone better than him in the top 6. Much like counting down the years remaining on Drouin, Anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak, Hoffman and Armia. Not sure even if Necas is even suitable as a 3rd liner. Much prefer a placeholder on a 2-3 year deal.