HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Spring in Fialta]

Did we not learn anything from Drouin? Why would we trade for a guy that can’t even mentally handle playing for Columbus?

Do we even know that this is actually what he's struggling with or is that just speculation?

 

[themilosh]

Meh...i'm not as concerned personally. Like I said earlier, I remember participating in multiple debates when the Habs signed Suzuki to his extension, a lot of folks were concerned about how a guy who had proven so little, got paid so much money.

Now he's become the standard that all upcoming players on the team must be under. It's all relative, contracts whether they're good or bad change from year to year, I don't really get caught up in that. I want the team to assemble the best lineup possible and that means some guys will be overpaid, some guys will be underpaid. It all balances itself out.

True... but we must avoid the $11M type soft winger (like Marner) as well as the small players (we just dont have the room).

 

[morhilane]

And we officially entered the "Habs are on everyone and everything" part of the off-season. *yawn*

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Matheson for Necas as a framework seems like it makes a lot of sense. Habs have the assets to add.

It'd be a hell of a gamble. I'd be tempted though.

 

[themilosh]

I feel that we need more experience in the back if we want to really make a step forward. The guy I would go after is Brett Pesce if he is still testing the market. He would Stabilize our D and be a significant upgrade to Kovacevic allowing us to play Ghule on the left side and possibly look at what we could get for Hutson to bring help in front.

Pesce, Mailloux and Savard this Year on the Rigth side allowing Reinbacher to find his grove in the AHL. But the D would look prpretty good starting next year (25-26).

Ghule, Pesce
Matheson, Reinbacher
Xekhaj, Mailloux

It would also give us the ammunition to get someone solid in front This year by danglinh Hutson +

Im all for trading Hutson for Ana/Chi pick to pick up Demidov/Lindstrom (or both). Bundle up the WPG pick to nab Sennecke and call it a day (for top 6 forwards)

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

And we officially entered the "Habs are on everyone and everything" part of the off-season. *yawn*

flashback of last season people putting Dubois in our lineup making us better

 

[LaP]

Necas for Matheson would be a hell of asset management.

Absolutely. Don't think the canes would be interested considering Matheson's age and past performances outside of Montreal but that would be a hell of a string of trades going from Petry to Necas.

Just for fun

Petry
Pehling
Hoffman
Pitlick

for

Matheson -> Necas
Pearson
2nd round pick 2025 (Pen)
3rd round pick 2025 (Van)
4th round pick (Konyushkov)

That would be something like genious.

 

[le_sean]

Do we even know that this is actually what he's struggling with or is that just speculation?

Well he entered the player assistance program. It could be a number of things, but they typically all stem from something mental.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Well he entered the player assistance program. It could be a number of things, but they typically all stem from something mental.

Yeah, I understand that, just not sure I'd deduce that this means he struggles with the markets he plays in. Mental is very vast and could include a number of (fixable) issues.

 

[le_sean]

Yeah, I understand that, just not sure I'd deduce that this means he struggles with the markets he plays in. Mental is very vast and could include a number of (fixable) issues.

That’s my point, if he has issues in Columbus, they will only be exacerbated if he goes to Montreal. Doesn’t matter what it is, he’ll be under the microscope and expect to perform and hear about it when he doesn’t. It’s not really the environment for someone that is struggling with whatever it is.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don't think Carolina want a 30yo player paid over 4M per season.

I'm expecting Carolina willl deal Necas for a young NHL defenceman like Guhle.

I'm not sure Necas gets a young D-man like Guhle. Maybe someone older like Carlo or Andersson, but young D who have already established themselves tend to not get moved unless the fit makes too much sense.

I think people underestimate how few young D there are in the NHL.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That’s my point, if he has issues in Columbus, they will only be exacerbated if he goes to Montreal. Doesn’t matter what it is, he’ll be under the microscope and expect to perform and hear about it when he doesn’t. It’s not really the environment for someone that is struggling with whatever it is.

Laine? There's no chance they're trading for him. I don't get why people keep pushing this idea.

I guess there hasn't been enough of a Hugo track record for people to really get what they covet

 

[le_sean]

Laine? There's no chance they're trading for him. I don't get why people keep pushing this idea.

I guess there hasn't been enough of a Hugo track record for people to really get what they covet

I don’t get it either. Personal problems aside, you’re acquiring a guy whose biggest benefit is playing the same role as Caufield on the PP. We need goals, but he doesn’t fit.

 

[Runner77]

The question is, who is he calling?

It’s from Martin McGuire, who has never broken anything. I saw the link when it came out and ignored it for that reason.

What he’s saying about Hughes now is along the same lines as what Pierre LeBrun has said for years about how “(name any GM) has been working the phones.”

 

[Habs7631]

I'm expecting Carolina willl deal Necas for a young NHL defenceman like Guhle.

No team is trading a young D on ELC that has the pedigree of Guhle for Necas.

Carolina will try and get young and cost constrolled players for sure, but they will have to settle for 2nd tier, not top tier ones for Necas.

Any team GM that trade a cheap young player who had show top pairing/top line upside in the NHL for Necas should be fired.

Especially for a winger who wants to play center but who’s bad defensively, bad at face offs and who’s gonna request a big contract.

Someone like Xhekaj/Mailloux. But not Guhle tier.

If the Necas deal revolves around Guhle, Carolina are the ones adding, not us.

Like Necas + CAR 1st (#27) for Guhle.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It’s from Martin McGuire, who has never broken anything. I saw the link when it came out and ignored it for that reason.

What he’s saying about Hughes now is along the same lines as what Pierre LeBrun has said for years about how “(name any GM) has been working the phones.”

Nobody worked the phones Harder than MB

 

[Heffyhoof]

Obviously not as some people are still saying no one should make more than Suzuki's salary.

It is, only fake posters who think they're better than other's bring up something so facile as salary cap %.

 

[EveryDay]

I'm not sure Necas gets a young D-man like Guhle. Maybe someone older like Carlo or Andersson, but young D who have already established themselves tend to not get moved unless the fit makes too much sense.

I think people underestimate how few young D there are in the NHL.

I get it but the problem is Carolina is looking for a cheap top4 defeceman or center since they don't have any money left after Jarvis Guentzel Drury and Sjkei. They will need a cheap player under 2M that can either jumped on the top4 at RD or at 2nd line center.

 

[Weltschmerz]

The Flames were dumb enough to let Bennett and Tkachuk go .. let's see what we can get out of them at the draft. I wouldn't want to lock up Necas long term, too risky on this rebuild.

The dumb one is in Toronto now.

 

[Archijerej]

Matheson for Necas makes A LOT of sense for both teams IMO.

It would, provided we could follow it up with acquiring an established defenceman to take on Matheson's even strenght minutes. Otherwise, we're just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

We could take a calculated risk on Hutson replacing Matheson on the powerplay. Orchestrating offence from the blueline is this kid's bread and butter, so he'd probably be just fine as soon as next season. Question is, can he handle a regular 5v5 shift.

We'd still need that security blanket first pairing that Matheson - Guhle are providing. If we could sign a guy like Pesce, I'd be willing to send a package built around Matheson for Necas.

 

[417]

It would, provided we could follow it up with acquiring an established defenceman to take on Matheson's even strenght minutes. Otherwise, we're just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Yeah no doubt.

We could take a calculated risk on Hutson replacing Matheson on the powerplay. Orchestrating offence from the blueline is this kid's bread and butter, so he'd probably be just fine as soon as next season. Question is, can he handle a regular 5v5 shift.

We'd still need that security blanket first pairing that Matheson - Guhle are providing. If we could sign a guy like Pesce, I'd be willing to send a package built around Matheson for Necas.

I like Matheson a lot, but a security blanket is not how i'd describe him. He plays a ton because the Habs for various reasons have had a lot of depth at that position, but it's not his ideal role.

I don't want to give up Matheson like a lot of folks, but for a guy like Necas, I definitely would. It does fill a void, while creating another, but I think with all of the LHDs coming, I can patch that hole quicker than I can find an established top 6 player IMO.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Nobody worked the phones Harder than MB

Bergevin probably was on his phone while working out.

Can just picturing him doing curls and texting other GMs that Ryan Poehling is untouchable and won't be moved for a proven top 6 centre.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Yeah no doubt.

I like Matheson a lot, but a security blanket is not how i'd describe him. He plays a ton because the Habs for various reasons have had a lot of depth at that position, but it's not his ideal role.

I don't want to give up Matheson like a lot of folks, but for a guy like Necas, I definitely would. It does fill a void, while creating another, but I think with all of the LHDs coming, I can patch that hole quicker than I can find an established top 6 player IMO.

I'd be willing to overpay a Zadorov on short term if necessary, or take a veteran LD on a bad contract with a year or two left. Like we only need to bridge the LD.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

That’s my point, if he has issues in Columbus, they will only be exacerbated if he goes to Montreal. Doesn’t matter what it is, he’ll be under the microscope and expect to perform and hear about it when he doesn’t. It’s not really the environment for someone that is struggling with whatever it is.

I'm not advocating for acquiring Laine but that is literally the point of the assistance program, to get better and fix whatever issue may be ailing him.

Like, if he's got a video game or drug addiction, whether he's in Montreal or Columbus doesn't particularly matter. If the idea is that anyone who has had mental health issues (even if they're past them) shouldn't be acquired because we're a big market, I personally reject that idea. Drouin isn't Laine and Laine isn't X. Everyone is different.

 

[Benstheman]

Yeah no doubt.

I like Matheson a lot, but a security blanket is not how i'd describe him. He plays a ton because the Habs for various reasons have had a lot of depth at that position, but it's not his ideal role.

I don't want to give up Matheson like a lot of folks, but for a guy like Necas, I definitely would. It does fill a void, while creating another, but I think with all of the LHDs coming, I can patch that hole quicker than I can find an established top 6 player IMO.

If they feel Hutson is ready, it will be eaiser to trade Matheson if needed.