HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Archijerej]

I like Matheson a lot, but a security blanket is not how i'd describe him. He plays a ton because the Habs for various reasons have had a lot of depth at that position, but it's not his ideal role.

Well, we can call it a "suicidal blanket" to be more precise, but still, he keeps our young defencemen away from matchups they have been demonstrably not able to handle. He's also been like 70% of our transition ability under opponent's pressure.

He's by no means untouchable and should be used as a trade chip if it makes sense, but there has to be a clear replacement plan. Just like Matheson himself was a replacement for Petry. Hughes was adamant at the time that he needs a certain profile of defenceman back if he is to trade Petry.

 

[417]

Well, we can call it a "suicidal blanket" to be more precise, but still, he keeps our young defencemen away from matchups they have been demonstrably not able to handle. He's also been like 70% of our transition ability under opponent's pressure.

He's by no means untouchable and should be used as a trade chip if it makes sense, but there has to be a clear replacement plan. Just like Matheson himself was a replacement for Petry. Hughes was adamant at the time that he needs a certain profile of defenceman back if he is to trade Petry.

Yeah I feel what you're saying and I don't want to make it seem like I don't value Matheson because I do.

But I believe that you gotta give quality to receive quality.

 

[HuGort]

Gorton acquired Zibs and Trochek (both underrated at the time) through trades.. i think hugo knows what they r doing - when it comes to top 6 C

Not true, Gorton long gone when Trochek signed. Tell truth not stories

Just great... you want us to go after a 5'09" C to save a couple mill? Cmon man.

Again, he's same weight as Necas

Lundell played good game last night. Has 11 points in 16 playoff games. Could be maturing. Former high pick in draft. Habs should try trade for him this summer.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Obviously not as some people are still saying no one should make more than Suzuki's salary.

No one is saying that. That is a lie that my comment was meant to be a mockery of because some posters are only trained to hit low hanging fruit. Nobody wants to trade for a good but not great piece like Necas or Zegras and pay them more than a far superior player in Suzuki. WHY?

That said, I'm sure you'd find plenty of posters happy to acquire either one as long as we've got assurance that they won't be paid more than our top player and Captain who has proven to be the superior player.

 

[V13]

And we officially entered the "Habs are on everyone and everything" part of the off-season. *yawn*

My FB feed is going crazy right now with all those sponsored obscure Habs trade rumors sites spamming every name out there. If i block or snooze one two more pop up the next day . It's a never ending battle lol

Habs just generate more clicks and buzz due to the larger fanbase hence why there are always "rumors" that they are on everyone. It's a clickbait farm

 

[Archijerej]

I'd be willing to overpay a Zadorov on short term if necessary, or take a veteran LD on a bad contract with a year or two left. Like we only need to bridge the LD.

Zadorov is an entirely different type of defenceman.

We also don't necessarily need a LD if we trade Matheson. We only have to move Guhle back to his strong side, but we have to find a partner for him to form a credible 1st pair.

We also need someone to fill Matheson's powerplay role and transition ability from the backend. Powerplay I'm not worried about, because that's what Hutson is all about. Problem is, can he handle a regular even strenght minutes.

 

[morhilane]

flashback of last season people putting Dubois in our lineup making us better

I feels like its worst this year, just because the media (and some fans) are pushing for the Habs to make a big splash this off-season.

What I don't get is why the majority of the proposals are for soft offense only forwards. Are anyone watching the playoffs and what HuGo has been saying???

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Necas appears to play both the left and right side of the pp, effectively taking away from either Caufield, or Slafkovsky.

Again, the people who are really pro Necas will use that as a reason to not acquire one player, but won't use it against him.

Travis Konency trumps all the suggestions so far.

However, is he actually available and can the Habs extend him, or would he just want to test the market regardless as to where he goes ?

Kent Johnson would be second, but can't see him getting shipped out.

So, I guess the debate between Zegras, Necas and Laine will continue with all 3 of them having some big question marks/concerns for the Habs.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I feels like its worst this year, just because the media (and some fans) are pushing for the Habs to make a big splash this off-season.

What I don't get is why the majority of the proposals are for soft offense only forwards. Are anyone watching the playoffs and what HuGo has been saying???

Dont worry much , we need to trade players to make places to begin with .Habs should aim for next season for a big trade.

Next season , Savard Dvorak Armia Pezetta and Evans will be out . Also 50% retention of Allen and Petry will be over.

We could also retain on Anderson and Gallagher with 2 years left after this season to make even more space.

Im not saying we wont trade this summer but the goal is still to get rid of the leftovers of Bergevin and to establish who can play in long terms or not.

Matheson is a good chip for a trade for a team whos already in playoff mode with like 1-2 years windows. We'll see. I just hope we dont get another Newhook or Barron. Nothing crazy about those 2 players.

I would rather use some mid picks to trade some veterans to make some space for players like Joshua Roy

 

[HabbyGuy]

It’s from Martin McGuire, who has never broken anything. I saw the link when it came out and ignored it for that reason.

What he’s saying about Hughes now is along the same lines as what Pierre LeBrun has said for years about how “(name any GM) has been working the phones.”

Yeah I know, the question was more rhetoric anyway. I just would love to know which teams he may be calling to get a sense of who his targets may be. I'm not overly thrilled with the ones discussed in this thread. Zegras, Necas, Laine.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Not true, Gorton long gone when Trochek signed. Tell truth not stories


Again, he's same weight as Necas

Lundell played good game last night. Has 11 points in 16 playoff games. Could be maturing. Former high pick in draft. Habs should try trade for him this summer.

Florida isn’t trading him at all! He’s been beyond one of their best players

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I would offer Matheson + jets 1st/Mesar + Trudeau for Necas

And roll with this next season

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Necas - Dach - Newhook

Guhle - Savard
Hutson - Xhekaj
Struble - Harris

Could even have a Hutson - Reinbacher pairing if it looks great in camp

 

[Habs]

I'd be willing to overpay a Zadorov on short term if necessary, or take a veteran LD on a bad contract with a year or two left. Like we only need to bridge the LD.

I agree, he's solid back there

 

[Andy]

If habs swap Matheson for Necas, they still have a boatload of assets to bring experience on D.

 

[The Great Weal]

Assuming we find the right vet dman who agrees to sign short term, why would the Canes want to do Matheson for Necas? They already got Slavin and Orlov. Not to mention they have Nikishin coming over soon too. If it's to have Matheson on the PP, he's not going to overtake Burns and they could just have Orlov there instead with Skjei likely gone.

 

[Runner77]

Yeah I know, the question was more rhetoric anyway. I just would love to know which teams he may be calling to get a sense of who his targets may be. I'm not overly thrilled with the ones discussed in this thread. Zegras, Necas, Laine.

I know you know, it was obvious that the guy was saying nothing substantive.

Fortunately, this forum has no impact on ultimate player moves so it’s all for shits and giggles. What would an off season be without them.

 

[Kimota]

I don't think Carolina want a 30yo player paid over 4M per season.

I'm expecting Carolina willl deal Necas for a young NHL defenceman like Guhle.

I would never do that. Shades of Sergachev-Drouin.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Assuming we find the right vet dman who agrees to sign short term, why would the Canes want to do Matheson for Necas? They already got Slavin and Orlov. Not to mention they have Nikishin coming over soon too. If it's to have Matheson on the PP, he's not going to overtake Burns and they could just have Orlov there instead with Skjei likely gone.

I don't think Carolina would do Matheson for Necas, but Slavin and Orlov are UFAs in 2025 and Carolina has a long history of not paying veterans and letting them walk to free agency. Having Slavin and Orlov wouldn't be a factor (in fact Carolina has been proactive so they avoid UFAs having too much leverage).

 

[The Great Weal]

I don't think Carolina would do Matheson for Necas, but Slavin and Orlov are UFAs in 2025 and Carolina has a long history of not paying veterans and letting them walk to free agency. Having Slavin and Orlov wouldn't be a factor (in fact Carolina has been proactive so they avoid UFAs having too much leverage).

But shouldn't the same apply to Matheson who just has one more year than them? Giving up Necas just to have Matheson in the top 4 for one year (after Slavin and Orlov are gone) makes no sense.

 

[417]

But shouldn't the same apply to Matheson who just has one more year than them? Giving up Necas just to have Matheson in the top 4 for one year (after Slavin and Orlov are gone) makes no sense.

Delete, misread this post.

 

[Captain Mountain]

But shouldn't the same apply to Matheson who just has one more year than them? Giving up Necas just to have Matheson in the top 4 for one year (after Slavin and Orlov are gone) makes no sense.

Yes, that is a better reason for why Carolina would not be interested than saying they have Slavin and Orlov.

 

[morhilane]

Yeah I know, the question was more rhetoric anyway. I just would love to know which teams he may be calling to get a sense of who his targets may be. I'm not overly thrilled with the ones discussed in this thread. Zegras, Necas, Laine.

Hughes is going to ask the price for anyone available out there, this help defining the market price for his own players.

But a few weeks before the 2022 draft, media-insiders were saying that Hughes was calling everyone to find another 1st round pick in the top 10 (ended up #13 and was used in the Dach trade).

In the last week, I heard/read a few of the same media-insiders saying that Hughes is trying to trade up (from Winnipeg 1st)/get another selection in the top 15.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Hughes is going to ask the price for anyone available out there, this help defining the market price for his own players.

But a few weeks before the 2022 draft, media-insiders were saying that Hughes was calling everyone to find another 1st round pick in the top 10 (ended up #13 and was used in the Dach trade).

In the last week, I heard/read a few of the same media-insiders saying that Hughes is trying to trade up (from Winnipeg 1st)/get another selection in the top 15.

I like this idea, top 12 would be even better. I'm sure the habs would love to walk out of the draft with Demidov/Lindstrom AND Sennecke/Iginla/Catton

 

[The Great Weal]

Yes, that is a better reason for why Carolina would not be interested than saying they have Slavin and Orlov.

Well I mean if it would be for a 2 year thing, one of those years wouldn't really count given that Slavin and Orlov will be playing ahead. That just leaves the last year. If it was a 2 year thing of having him be in the top 4 it could maybe make more sense where they want to go on another run before Slavin leaves, but either way there's really no valid reason for Carolina to do this.

 

[Deus ex machina]

I think it is fair offer.

Are you guys on bath salts? (just kidding)

Seriously, Kaliyev's value doesn't come close Struble's. Montreal would be nuts to do this, and i don't think they will.
I really don't see Kaliyev fitting in the MTL culture anyway.

Struble seems to be undervalued a lot on this board. I don't know why. I guess we didn't see the same games.
FWIW, David Ettedgui said on BPM yesterday that Struble was in high demand across the league right now, and that makes sense.


The Habs are looking for a top 6 F and they'd love to trade Barron for one, but it's just not realistic.
I think they'll just take what they can get for him. Same thing with Kaliyev.

Speaking of Barron, Arpon Basu said on one of his podcasts that he spoke to scouts from other teams while attending a Rocket game and apparently, they weren't impressed much with him. I wasn't either, from what i saw.