HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Habs Halifax]

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No doubt. Hughes probably has his fingers in a lot of options. Our offer is going to be a quantity offer though.

Canes need serious work on their back end in the next two off seasons. Jets 1st, Barron, and maybe the Avs 2nd? Do we go deeper than this?

Canes also need improvements at center after Aho. Staal is aging. Would they target one of Beck or Kapanen?

 

[417]

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Not surprised, it just makes a lot of sense.

He fits the age profile, the Habs can afford to pay him, the Habs are rich in assets the Canes need (picks & Dmen), the Habs are looking to add scoring/skill in the top 6.

 

[WeThreeKings]

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It's Dreger speculation but LeBrun mentioned it as well.

It makes sense.

He's skilled.
He's available.
He's got size.
He's had some productive playoff runs in him.

Way better fit than Zegrass

 

[Andy]

I wonder if habs have the assets to pull off a trade for Necas weeks before the draft

 

[WeThreeKings]

I wonder if habs have the assets to pull off a trade for Necas weeks before the draft

Matheson is a possibility.
Struble with futures is a possibility.
They might be a team who thinks Josh Anderson fits their style and can be effective there, that's wishful thinking.
Maybe we can do something like take KK back and buy him out on their behalf.

I think we can get creative, or do a futures enough based trade that they can flip those for someone else kinda like how Colorado used some of the Newhook capital to get Ross Colton from Tampa.

 

[Andy]

Matheson is a possibility.
Struble with futures is a possibility.
They might be a team who thinks Josh Anderson fits their style and can be effective there, that's wishful thinking.
Maybe we can do something like take KK back and buy him out on their behalf.

I think we can get creative, or do a futures enough based trade that they can flip those for someone else kinda like how Colorado used some of the Newhook capital to get Ross Colton from Tampa.

Suzuki, Necas, Caufield, Slaf, Dach, Newhook all under the age of 27. I'm hopeful Roy could push his way into top 6 production as well.

It's not a bad top 6 at all. Missing that elite forward for sure, but it looks fairly strong.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Suzuki, Necas, Caufield, Slaf, Dach, Newhook all under the age of 27. I'm hopeful Roy could push his way into top 6 production as well.

It's not a bad top 6 at all. Missing that elite forward for sure, but it looks fairly strong.

Adding Demidov, Lindstrom, Sennecke or Iginla to that mix. Pretty solid.

 

[Andy]

Adding Demidov, Lindstrom, Sennecke or Iginla to that mix. Pretty solid.

Ahh yes! True.

Combined with the defensive prospects, the team is looking very good. Again, no elite talent in the org (that we know of). I am just hoping that one of Slaf, Hutson, or this year's pick emerges as an unexpected top end player. We see this happen with other teams, I do wish for this to happen to the habs.

 

[The Great Weal]

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I don't mind Necas, I think he's got some intriguing tools. He's an excellent skater and is pretty damn talented. His softness is infuriating though. It's not horrendous, but it's far from good enough if we are counting on him to be a key player for us. I'm also not a fan of the reports of him seemingly wanting to break the bank and also be a center, although Carolina does have a history of not wanting to commit to players like this.

He also won't be cheap. I'm assuming a guy like Roy and the Jets 1st would have to be part of the package.

 

[BoneHutson]

Theres a reason why CAR isnt working hard to move other players to sign him. Hes overrated and at least as soft as Zegras. Dont let a single 4 pts performance at the WC arrouse you guys too much. I hope we spend assets on moving up instead of trading for that bum

 

[Vachon23]

I don't mind Necas, I think he's got some intriguing tools. He's an excellent skater and is pretty damn talented. His softness is infuriating though. It's not horrendous, but it's far from good enough if we are counting on him to be a key player for us. I'm also not a fan of the reports of him seemingly wanting to break the bank and also be a center, although Carolina does have a history of not wanting to commit to players like this.

He also won't be cheap. I'm assuming a guy like Roy and the Jets 1st would have to be part of the package.

I like the comparison I saw on the main board with Martin Havlat. Gonna bring you skill and good zone entry but won’t be the motor of the team

 

[le_sean]

I like the comparison I saw on the main board with Martin Havlat. Gonna bring you skill and good zone entry but won’t be the motor of the team

Havlat was an amazing player. Injuries derailed what should have been a great career.

 

[417]

I don't mind Necas, I think he's got some intriguing tools. He's an excellent skater and is pretty damn talented. His softness is infuriating though. It's not horrendous, but it's far from good enough if we are counting on him to be a key player for us. I'm also not a fan of the reports of him seemingly wanting to break the bank and also be a center, although Carolina does have a history of not wanting to commit to players like this.

He also won't be cheap. I'm assuming a guy like Roy and the Jets 1st would have to be part of the package.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a player wanting to get paid.

Despite most fans pre-conceived notions (not saying yours specifically) professional athletes enjoy being well compensated just as much as regular Joe's.

 

[The Great Weal]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a player wanting to get paid.

Despite most fans pre-conceived notions (not saying yours specifically) professional athletes enjoy being well compensated just as much as regular Joe's.

Not saying there's anything wrong with it, but I don't want to significantly hinder our cap structure because of a Martin Necas-like player. Leafs superstars did that and it pretty much cost the franchise the chance to build a better team.

 

[417]

Theres a reason why CAR isnt working hard to move other players to sign him. Hes overrated and at least as soft as Zegras. Dont let a single 4 pts performance at the WC arrouse you guys too much. I hope we spend assets on moving up instead of trading for that bum

Yes,

1. They haven't moved anyone.
2. They can't re-sign everyone
3. The fact many teams would love to acquire Necas means they can maximize the return and fill out the rest of their lineup given they have 8 pending UFAs

Not saying there's anything wrong with it, but I don't want to significantly hinder our cap structure because of a Martin Necas-like player. Leafs superstars did that and it pretty much cost the franchise the chance to build a better team.

The Habs don't have a single player (other than Carey Price and he's coming off the books at the conclusion of next season 25-26)) who makes more than 7.875M...in what world would a perspective contract for Necas hinder their cap structure?

I don't understand how multiple other teams are able to afford several high priced players making 9-10-11M+ and somehow, the Habs will be on the brink of doom if they hand out a 8M contract.

Soon the Habs are going to have more cap space than they know what to do with.

 

[le_sean]

Not saying there's anything wrong with it, but I don't want to significantly hinder our cap structure because of a Martin Necas-like player. Leafs superstars did that and it pretty much cost the franchise the chance to build a better team.

Don’t think it hinders the cap, not to the extent of the Leafs. You can have Necas and Dach for less than Marner.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I think we'd be ok somewhere in the mid 7s on Necas, the cap is increasing again and I think 6-7 will become the going rate for any legitimate top 6 forward pretty soon.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Theres a reason why CAR isnt working hard to move other players to sign him. Hes overrated and at least as soft as Zegras. Dont let a single 4 pts performance at the WC arrouse you guys too much. I hope we spend assets on moving up instead of trading for that bum

Necas has requested a trade out of Carolina multiple times.. they aren't working hard to sign him because he doesn't want to be there and in Carolina's case they prefer giving those opportunities to Aho, Jarvis and re-sign Guentzel.

It makes sense, because Necas thinks he's a top 6 player and Carolina isn't always using him there. There's also a stylistic issue between Necas and how Brind'amour wants his team to play.

 

[morhilane]

Necas has requested a trade out of Carolina multiple times.. they aren't working hard to sign him because he doesn't want to be there and in Carolina's case they prefer giving those opportunities to Aho, Jarvis and re-sign Guentzel.
....

I actually read that the Canes were trying to re-sign Necas, but he's clearly not interested and his dad's sortie was to tell everyone.

Necas is just going to turn into the PLD 2.0 saga...including Necas getting overpaid in the end.

 

[Captain Mountain]

It's Dreger speculation but LeBrun mentioned it as well.

It makes sense.

He's skilled.
He's available.
He's got size.
He's had some productive playoff runs in him.

Way better fit than Zegrass

I'm not sure the difference between Necas and Zegras is that significant.

Both are skilled
Both are to some degree available (otherwise there wouldn't be as much smoke as there is/was)
Necas is taller and more physical, but neither are players you look to be physical.
Both are pretty bad defensively
There's no real way to compare playoff performances.

It makes sense depending on what the cost is, but Necas has as many red flags as Zegras (or Dubois going back to last season).

I like the comparison I saw on the main board with Martin Havlat. Gonna bring you skill and good zone entry but won’t be the motor of the team

Havlat is an awful comparison, he was one of the best two-way wingers in the NHL at his peak and Necas is below average among Carolina forwards.

 

[Saundies]

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I'm down for Necas.. as long as we don't have to take KK back. Yuck.

 

[Kosseca]

Yes,

1. They haven't moved anyone.
2. They can't re-sign everyone
3. The fact many teams would love to acquire Necas means they can maximize the return and fill out the rest of their lineup given they have 8 pending UFAs


The Habs don't have a single player (other than Carey Price and he's coming off the books at the conclusion of next season 25-26)) who makes more than 7.875M...in what world would a perspective contract for Necas hinder their cap structure?

I don't understand how multiple other teams are able to afford several high priced players making 9-10-11M+ and somehow, the Habs will be on the brink of doom if they hand out a 8M contract.

Soon the Habs are going to have more cap space than they know what to do with.

I seem to recall that not a single team with a player making $10M+ ever won the Cup (I could be wrong or it could have happen since I saw that). But there is something to be said about having a balance cap hit throughout the lineup. That is not to say that Necas shoudn't be paid $8M, but I want MTL to have a approach to the cap similar to Boston where there is hierarchy within the team, and not with the rest of the league.

 

[Adriatic]

No doubt. Hughes probably has his fingers in a lot of options. Our offer is going to be a quantity offer though.

Canes need serious work on their back end in the next two off seasons. Jets 1st, Barron, and maybe the Avs 2nd? Do we go deeper than this?

Canes also need improvements at center after Aho. Staal is aging. Would they target one of Beck or Kapanen?

KK gonna take over soon!!

 

[Captain Mountain]

I seem to recall that not a single team with a player making $10M+ ever won the Cup (I could be wrong or it could have happen since I saw that). But there is something to be said about having a balance cap hit throughout the lineup. That is not to say that Necas shoudn't be paid $8M, but I want MTL to have a approach to the cap similar to Boston where there is hierarchy within the team, and not with the rest of the league.

I assume you mean AAV and not actual salary in a season, because the latter has happened more than once (Kucherov, Vasilevsky, Eichel, Pietrangelo, Ovechkin). Eichel has also won a cup so the former is also incorrect (and unless Dallas wins the cup, McDavid, Bobrovsky and Barkov, or Panarin will join him). And considering that only 17 players have an AAV of 8 figures, its not all that meaningful.

Necas shouldn't be paid 8 mil for the same reason Dubois shouldn't be paid that amount, because he's nowhere near worth it.

 

[The Great Weal]

The Habs don't have a single player (other than Carey Price and he's coming off the books at the conclusion of next season 25-26)) who makes more than 7.875M...in what world would a perspective contract for Necas hinder their cap structure?

If Necas was a star player then sure by all means, give him like 12 million, it's fine. The truth is that he's likely a 2nd liner on a cup contender, you can't just hand over whatever.

I don't understand how multiple other teams are able to afford several high priced players making 9-10-11M+ and somehow, the Habs will be on the brink of doom if they hand out a 8M contract.

These high-priced players are superstars more often than not, not 2nd liners. It makes a world of difference.

Soon the Habs are going to have more cap space than they know what to do with.

Doesn't mean they should just give whatever for a player who won't put us over the top. It's the same thing with PLD last year.

Don’t think it hinders the cap, not to the extent of the Leafs. You can have Necas and Dach for less than Marner.

If Necas is getting 8 million, then Dach (who's contract expires in 2 years) will likely ask for that if not more because Necas got it. It's a lot of money for players who probably aren't going to be high end players.