HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Sterling Archer]

Could Beniers be in play? Seattle is in a strange situation. As currently constructed they're too good to be able to scout the top draft picks, they're not close to being contenders, and their prospect pool doesn't inspire much confidence.

He's an RFA this summer and the Kraken would only consider trades that start with our 1st round pick.

He’s their Suzuki. He’s not going anywhere.

 

[Canadiens98]

He’s their Suzuki. He’s not going anywhere.

Fair enough

 

[salbutera]

He’s not in the playoffs which is the issue. He disappears in the biggest games. In the 21 times he played in a game 5, game 6, or game 7 he’s scored a total of 1 goal.

I’m also sure he’s going to want a contract similar to what Nylander got (8 years at $11.5 million AAV). I wouldn’t be happy if Montreal gave up good players for Marner and gave him that type of contract.

Yet over last 8-years he’s the highest scoring player on the Leafs w 50pts…

 

[CHfan1]

But we are a team that cannot even make it to the playoffs. Having a guy like that suddenly accelerate our development very quickly. Far less effort to produce, less tight games for us. It's less pressure to the whole roster to win games.

If they get to the playoffs and can’t get past the 1st round does it really matter?

They’ll get back to the playoffs in the next few years. I think they need to keep adding players that can win in the playoffs, not just get a team there, especially at a very high cap hit.

 

[Deebs]

But we are a team that cannot even make it to the playoffs. Having a guy like that suddenly accelerate our development very quickly. Far less effort to produce, less tight games for us. It's less pressure to the whole roster to win games.

Yeah, but then we eventually get into the playoffs and he disappears while we pay him $11M. Not a good thing

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Could Beniers be in play? Seattle is in a strange situation. As currently constructed they're too good to be able to scout the top draft picks, they're not close to being contenders, and their prospect pool doesn't inspire much confidence.

He's an RFA this summer and the Kraken would only consider trades that start with our 1st round pick.

Seattle has pretty good prospects considering they've only been in the league 3 years. Wright, Firkus, Rehkopf, Goyette, Nyman & Winterton are all legitimate forward prospects.

They have an interesting goalie prospect in Kokko.
They're not that strong at D. I'm expecting them to take a D in this year's draft.

And, no, they won't be trading Beniers. He struggled a bit in his 2nd year, but the whole team did.

 

[Miller Time]

Fair enough...

IMO, even if you manage to offload Dvorak, that's just way more money than I want to pay for a guy whose going to play middle 6 for me.

If all things go according to plan, he's not playing ahead of Suzuki/Dach, so 5M+ for 3-4 years is way too steep for me.

Don't forget to price in the cap increase...

Cap jumping 4M$ is going to skew up the UFA/vet contract offers this summer, and it's likely the cap increases further over next 3-4 yrs.

It's one thing to be ok rolling with Dvorak (@4.45) next year and hoping Beck, Mesar, Kapanen etc. make a rapid transition... But if one feels that the Habs need to upgrade our 3C & C depth in general as part of the push into playoff lock, it's either going to cost 5M$+ on the UFA market, or quality assets in trade to get a cost controlled/RFA option.

Monahan fits that bill and has shown to be a great fit internally. I'd roll the dice.

I thought about this in 5 seconds, calm down, bro. This is a message board with fans shooting the shit. You take this way too seriously.

Awww did I hurt your feelings?

Sorry, I thought this was a message board. Have a take, don't suck.

If your take sucks, and it gets pointed out, no need to take it personally.

Taking yourself too seriously indeed. It was a very bad trade proposal... Not a big deal.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I wonder if Minnesota or Detroit would trade their pick 13OA/15OA for Matheson??

So you trade a vereran defenseman, playing 25 minutes a night who scored 60+ points this year, who skates like the wind and is a top 3 puck moving defenseman for magic beans? For the hope the child you draft at 13 or 15 pans out and becomes a mainstay on the Habs?

Got it!

 

[RationalExpectations]

People making x plans based on y hypothesis to get Dubois look more and more like wile e coyote chasing the roadrunner. While their perseverance is cute, this won t end well….

 

[HuGort]

I think Habs will have 2 picks in top 15. Romanov and #98 got the Habs the 13th pick. Struble and #27 will get us about same.

 

[Bacchus1]

So you trade a vereran defenseman, playing 25 minutes a night who scored 60+ points this year, who skates like the wind and is a top 3 puck moving defenseman for magic beans? For the hope the child you draft at 13 or 15 pans out and becomes a mainstay on the Habs?

Got it!

It would have to be a first ++ to move him, most likely at least 1 promising prospect.

 

[Habssince89]

I think Habs will have 2 picks in top 15. Romanov and #98 got the Habs the 13th pick. Struble and #27 will get us about same.

I don't think struble will be the one who gets moved. Harris, Kovacevic, Barron are all on the block before Struble. He's too well rounded. He's potentially a more talented Josh Gorges-like heart and soul guy.

 

[Walksss]

I think Habs will have 2 picks in top 15. Romanov and #98 got the Habs the 13th pick. Struble and #27 will get us about same.

I'm down with this.

 

[salbutera]

Could Beniers be in play? Seattle is in a strange situation. As currently constructed they're too good to be able to scout the top draft picks, they're not close to being contenders, and their prospect pool doesn't inspire much confidence.

He's an RFA this summer and the Kraken would only consider trades that start with our 1st round pick.

Francis has a mandate to be very aggressive this summer, Kraken ownership are very concerned w upcoming announcement by NBA awarding Seattle a franchise and want to be highly competitive now like VGK to firmly establish their position in the market - per Friedman & Marek from last week’s 32 Thoughts

 

[Habs Halifax]

We don't have to keep Caufield.

I think he is here to stay

 

[salbutera]

Maybe, but I also think he's a soft, selfish player who would disappear once a tough playoff series began

Which is an interesting take since he’s the Leafs leading playoff scorer over last 7-years @ 50 pts and only positive player amongst core-4, likely because he’s the most defensively aware

 

[DAChampion]

Which is an interesting take since he’s the Leafs leading playoff scorer over last 7-years @ 50 pts and only positive player amongst core-4, likely because he’s the most defensively aware

Marner's production still drops by 21% during the playoffs over his career.

This year it dropped by 65%.

That's expected for a rookie, not for a veteran who has played 8 seasons.

 

[Habs Halifax]

What would you say if these chain of events happened...

1) Guhle for Zegras

2) Habs use our pick to draft a D (to replace Guhle). This unblocks our D clutter for this season and next.

3) Habs use pieces like the Anderson, Dvorak, Jets 1st, Mesar, to add Laine.

4) Dubois gets bought out and signs a small deal with the Habs. 4 years at $4M.

Slaf / Suzuki / Laine
Zegras / Dach / Caufield
Newhook / Dubois / Roy
Armia / Evans / Gallagher
RHP, Pezzetta, Ylonen, Farrell
Beck, Kapanen, Tuch

Matheson / Reinbacher
Hutson / Savard
Xhekaj / Mailloux
Struble, Barron, Harris, Kova, Engstrom
Not sure who we would draft on D.

Monty / Primeau
Fowler

 

[salbutera]

Marner's production still drops by 21% during the playoffs over his career.

This year it dropped by 65%.

That's expected for a rookie, not for a veteran who has played 8 seasons.

It’s a relative measure: how does that compare to Tavares, Matthews & Nylander?

There’s also the defensive game which is ultra important during playoffs - Marner is their lead PKer and as mentioned the only member of core-4 whose a positive player during playoff career

Tavares is the weak link not Marner - JT doesn’t bring playoff offense let alone 200 ft game

 

[Habs Halifax]

It’s a relative measure: how does that compare to Tavares, Matthews & Nylander?

There’s also the defensive game which is ultra important during playoffs - Marner is their lead PKer and as mentioned the only member of core-4 whose a positive player during playoff career

Tavares is the weak link not Marner - JT doesn’t bring playoff offense let alone 200 ft game

Ideally, both Tavares and Marner are gone. They bring in someone like Monahan as a UFA and both Tavares/Marner bring in help on D/goaltending.

 

[Mrb1p]

So you trade a vereran defenseman, playing 25 minutes a night who scored 60+ points this year, who skates like the wind and is a top 3 puck moving defenseman for magic beans? For the hope the child you draft at 13 or 15 pans out and becomes a mainstay on the Habs?

Got it!

Yes precisely. You have to deal from a position of strength to get valuable assets.

 

[Habs Icing]

I think Habs will have 2 picks in top 15. Romanov and #98 got the Habs the 13th pick. Struble and #27 will get us about same.

I'd trade Harris before I unload Struble.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I'd trade Harris before I unload Struble.

Struble projects as a great soldier for us. Tough to play against, but can also skate.

 

[vokiel]

I wouldn't trade Struble for a pick in this draft, specially after 12.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Yes precisely. You have to deal from a position of strength to get valuable assets.

That's like having proof of infidelity in a contentious divorce, and using that supposed "position of strength" to demand only 40% of the marital assets, when the default in your province is 50%.