HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[417]

Can you put these trade targets in order, from your favorite one to least favorite :

- Kaapo Kakko
- Peyton Krebs
- Alex Turcotte
- Dylan Holloway
- Jack Quinn
- Alexander Holtz
- Vasili Podkolzin

Holtz
Quinn
Kakko
Holloway
Krebs
Turcotte
Podkolzin

 

[1000eeer]

With all those answers, I think we should go after a guy like Martin Necas.

He's the guy this year.

 

[salbutera]

With all those answers, I think we should go after a guy like Martin Necas.

He's the guy this year.

Too soffff

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Just a wild idea on what Hughes could try to pull off wondering what the reaction would be.

I have no idea on what Hughes will try this summer but I do think he wants to add pieces to the roster now. Maybe not like the level you seen in my post but I do think he is going to try for 1 or 2 trades.

So, you would not like that roster if Hughes did something like that? I'm assuming so.

I think its a timing issue.

Hughes is still trying to determine what we have among our prospects. There are still too many unknowns among these prospects and young forwards. There are injury concerns that must be assessed. How well is Dach going to perform after ACL surgery? Xhekaj after multiple shoulder surgeries? Is Hutson the real deal? The same can be said for Mailloux and Reinbacher who many here have already penciled in as top 4 defencemen. And then there are those multiple, improvident long term veteran contracts that act as anchors to this team's progress.

In this writer's opinion, it's far too early for Hughes to make any material deals until these questions are better answered. I think next summer is where you will see Hughes begin to be aggressive, particularly if some (all) of the above questions are answered in the positive.

Then, as it should be, all bets will be off.

 

[Mrb1p]

What would you say if these chain of events happened...

1) Guhle for Zegras

2) Habs use our pick to draft a D (to replace Guhle). This unblocks our D clutter for this season and next.

3) Habs use pieces like the Anderson, Dvorak, Jets 1st, Mesar, to add Laine.

4) Dubois gets bought out and signs a small deal with the Habs. 4 years at $4M.

Slaf / Suzuki / Laine
Zegras / Dach / Caufield
Newhook / Dubois / Roy
Armia / Evans / Gallagher
RHP, Pezzetta, Ylonen, Farrell
Beck, Kapanen, Tuch

Matheson / Reinbacher
Hutson / Savard
Xhekaj / Mailloux
Struble, Barron, Harris, Kova, Engstrom
Not sure who we would draft on D.

Monty / Primeau
Fowler

Trading for Zegras would make me unhappy whatever we give, I can't imagine the rage I'd feel if we'd give our 3rd best asset and best defender that is 22 YO and clearly a team leader already for him.

Drafting a D that me be as good as Guhle in 4 years when Guhle would be good right now, until 2035? Suzuki was drafted in 2017, the Habs need to look to compete now, not in four years. Laine is fine. 4x4 for Dubois is also fine.

The first two moves are stupid though.

Move Matheson for someone younger, possibly a RD. Or try to acquire Parayko or another RD.

Too soffff

Necas and Kyrou are both cut of the same cloth, yes. At least Necas isn't a straight wimp though

 

[Mrb1p]

Can you put these trade targets in order, from your favorite one to least favorite :

- Kaapo Kakko
- Peyton Krebs
- Alex Turcotte
- Dylan Holloway
- Jack Quinn
- Alexander Holtz
- Vasili Podkolzin

Quinn
Krebs
Turcotte
Kakko
Holloway
Podkolzin
Holtz

Quinn is the superior player and would fit pretty well in our roster. Krebs and Turcotte would be very cheap and I love the gamble, and the Habs need good depth players if they really don't pan out. Kakko is still very talented and a big guy that would fit in well.

Holloway/Podz would be cheap, I think and similar to Krebs/Turcotte.

Holtz doesn't fit at all in this roster.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Seriously whats this obsession with Dubois.... the guy is a loser hes the last thing i would want around our players

Stop focusing on Dubois only. How about that reply eh? You're only fueling the fire. There are lots of other things in that post you can talk about. Dubois was the 4th and less attractive move.

If you want to talk about Dubois only... I'm pretty sure we would be OK if the Kings bought him out and we got him for free. You can spit out the Dubois obsession but ignoring all the other ideas and not liking a Dubois for free is on you and only you.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Stop focusing on Dubois only. How about that reply eh? You're only fueling the fire. There are lots of other things in that post you can talk about. Dubas was the 4th and less attractive move.

If you want to talk about Dubois only... I'm pretty sure we would be OK if the Ducks bought him out and we got him for free. You can spit out the Dubois obsession but ignoring all the other ideas and not liking a Dubois for free is on you and only you.

That post is all over the place. What do the Ducks or Kyle Dubas have to do with Dubois?

Anyway with what Basu and Blake stuff time to put this to rest.

 

[sampollock]

like a robust winger, likes to hit, plays 2 ends of the ice , not small, a 30 goal man.

 

[Sorinth]

The Dubois trade that probably makes the most sense is Dubois for Hubredeau.

 

[salbutera]

The Dubois trade that probably makes the most sense is Dubois for Hubredeau.

I don’t see Huberdeau waiving for a Cali team (or any US team for that matter), his heavy bonus contract will get whacked by taxes.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I don’t see Huberdeau waiving for a Cali team (or any US team for that matter), his heavy bonus contract will get whacked by taxes.

Huberdeau is looking at 7 more miserable winters spent in Calgary as their Scott Gomez contract, he would waive to go to LA in a millisecond.

 

[Sorinth]

I don’t see Huberdeau waiving for a Cali team (or any US team for that matter), his heavy bonus contract will get whacked by taxes.

Going to a team with an actual shot at winning the cup would certainly be enticing for him. He might also want to get back to the sun. No idea about his family life, but that generally also pushes towards going to US, especially to a big city like LA. I don't think you can assume just because he got a big contract he only cares about money.

 

[Saundies]

What would you say if these chain of events happened...

1) Guhle for Zegras

2) Habs use our pick to draft a D (to replace Guhle). This unblocks our D clutter for this season and next.

3) Habs use pieces like the Anderson, Dvorak, Jets 1st, Mesar, to add Laine.

4) Dubois gets bought out and signs a small deal with the Habs. 4 years at $4M.

Slaf / Suzuki / Laine
Zegras / Dach / Caufield
Newhook / Dubois / Roy
Armia / Evans / Gallagher
RHP, Pezzetta, Ylonen, Farrell
Beck, Kapanen, Tuch

Matheson / Reinbacher
Hutson / Savard
Xhekaj / Mailloux
Struble, Barron, Harris, Kova, Engstrom
Not sure who we would draft on D.

Monty / Primeau
Fowler

1) I would do this trade. I like The Ghoul but he's stagnated slightly and has been hurt more than I'd like to see. Plus it does lend itself well to point 2 you brought up. I would prefer sending Xhekaj + Jets pick + (++?) but if it's The Ghoul who gets it done so be it.

2) Fine. I want a F really bad but I could live with picking a D if Ghoul for Z is done (and if Demi/Macklin are off the board when we pick.. if we win either lottery, I want an F regardless of trade).

3) I would probably do this regardless of the first two points but hard to say if Columbus would. I like the idea of Laine but he's having mental health troubles away from the spotlight right now.. I don't know how throwing him into the fire of the MTL market would work out for him. But I don't know his struggle like that so maybe.

4) Hard no. Either keep Dvo for one more year or try to find another solution.

 

[salbutera]

Huberdeau is looking at 7 more miserable winters spent in Calgary as their Scott Gomez contract, he would waive to go to LA in a millisecond.

Going to a team with an actual shot at winning the cup would certainly be enticing for him. He might also want to get back to the sun. No idea about his family life, but that generally also pushes towards going to US, especially to a big city like LA. I don't think you can assume just because he got a big contract he only cares about money.

The only reason Huberdeau signed in Cgy, as fast as he did as well, was the $$$ - $61.5M of $84M over 7-years + 1-day is bonus & w Alberta having lowest provincial taxation in Canada, that was his greatest takehome from ANY NHL market as a U.S. resident (Ft Lauderdale is his primary residence).

He has $54.5M of $73.5M remaining payout in bonuses, he will not want the bonus $ to get whacked by Cali State taxes

He may eventually waive for VGK, Fla, Nash, Dal but even that is iffy, he’ll likely waive to Van, Tor or Habs beforehand

Winning blah blah blah is nice & all but it’s all about $, when talking such generational wealth.

 

[SOLR]

Going to a team with an actual shot at winning the cup would certainly be enticing for him. He might also want to get back to the sun. No idea about his family life, but that generally also pushes towards going to US, especially to a big city like LA. I don't think you can assume just because he got a big contract he only cares about money.

It's called having a house in Las Vegas or Austin.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Stop focusing on Dubois only. How about that reply eh? You're only fueling the fire. There are lots of other things in that post you can talk about. Dubas was the 4th and less attractive move.

If you want to talk about Dubois only... I'm pretty sure we would be OK if the Ducks bought him out and we got him for free. You can spit out the Dubois obsession but ignoring all the other ideas and not liking a Dubois for free is on you and only you.

I dont care about the rest i care about this stupid obsession with a loser whos been through 3 teams yet and still shows zero passion or desire to win

Move on Dubois is a loser and the last thing we should have next to our players

 

[salbutera]

It's called having a house in Las Vegas or Austin.

It’s called being physically outside Cdn borders for 6-months + 1-day

Tavares was caught red handed trying to play a game and is going to get hammered for back taxes by Revenue Canada for infringing on US / Canada tax treaty

 

[SOLR]

It’s called being physically outside Cdn borders for 6-months + 1-day

As he would be if was playing in LA. Folks were talking about California taxes.

 

[salbutera]

As he would be if was playing in LA. Folks were talking about California taxes.

His bonuses are minimally taxed by playing for a Cdn team but primarily residing in the US, per US / Canada tax treaty - if he played for a US team he wouldn’t get that tax sheltering benefit on the bonuses

 

[SOLR]

His bonuses are minimally taxed by playing for a Cdn team but primarily residing in the US, per US / Canada tax treaty - if he played for a US team he wouldn’t get that tax sheltering benefit on the bonuses

If he resides in a no-tax state, it's still less tax than a US resident using the tax treaty road in California (overall).

 

[salbutera]

If he resides in a no-tax state, it's still less tax than a US resident using the tax treaty road in California.

The issue is paying the least amount of taxes on the bonus, which can only happen by exercising the US / Canada tax treaty - residing in US for 6-months + 1-day and earning the bonus in Canada during a calendar year

Both aspects need to be met, to maximize take home

If Huberdeau plays with his existing contract out of Cali or even a Fla team he’s looking at upwards of $5M in extra taxes paid in US over duration of contract

 

[waitin425]

We need to be able to adjust depending on the variable and have multiple plans for falling back on.

The first variable happens tonight. If we walk away with 1st or 2nd, we score Macklin or Demi and shore up some of our offensive talent. Macklin starts right away, Demi arrives next season.

If the above happens, I think we most definitely make a play for a veteran forward that can slide right into our top 6 comfortably. This could be done via trade (we have tons of assets) for a player like Necas or Zegras, or preferably (if we land 1/2) we take on a 3/4 year UFA (ie Stamkos, Marchessault, Reinhart) who can hold down some cap space until we have to re-up Mack or Demi. The second option here allows us to hold on to the other assets (particularly the picks - to stack our our pipeline).

If we end up with 5-7, we wait to see who is available before making any moves. If the pick is Iggy/Eiserman/Lindstrom/Catton we have less certainty than if we had 1/2. In this scenario, where we draft one of the above, my next move would be the trade option I mentioned above where we seek out a Necas or Zegras with our other draft capital (Jets 1st and Cgy 1st) and d depth. This is a longer term option that provide security as our certainty in the draft picks is less.

Defence to me is pretty set with 2 x veterans (Matheson and Savard) and a ton of young depth that are sure fire NHLers (Guhle, Hutson, Mailloux, Rein, Xhekaj). Any d moves should be made at next TDL depending on our rankings, and the development of the listed youth.

If for whatever reason with our 5-7 pick we go BPA and draft say Sam Dickinson, we find ourselves desperate for forward help. In that situation, I target a trade (Zegras or Necas) and a UFA (Stamkos, Marchessault or Reinhart) to bring in some offensive help.

Long winded....but this is how I see our offseason playing out. I believe strongly that we need 2 more top 6 players. My preferred route is via draft + 1 of UFA or Trade.

 

[The Great Weal]

He said Montreal has a lot of prospects and picks. Said they fascinating team this off season. Sounds like He expects Jets pick and prospects for a big name.

Highly doubt we get anything big with those assets.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I dont care about the rest i care about this stupid obsession with a loser whos been through 3 teams yet and still shows zero passion or desire to win

Move on Dubois is a loser and the last thing we should have next to our players

I'd sign him for free if he was bought out. Anyways, if you won't like it, avoid talking about it.