HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Deus ex machina]

They won't retain Pearson unless they can't move anyone else. He won't return enough to be worth retaining.

Exactly.

I'd be very surprised if a contender use their precious cap space on a player like Pearson, even at 50% retained, unless he goes on a tear before the deadline.
There will be better options out there.

 

[HuGort]

But I don't think they can move Allen, Dvo and Armia. Maybe they can move Pearson with 50% retained because he's on an expiring deal.

Allen should be movable. Around 3rd pick in return. With no retention. Pearson is done end of this season regardless. Dvorak and Armia you never know. Rumours are Dvorak movable but no return. Possible give up the third on Allen to move Armia. Matheson would fetch huge return if they move him. Or Savard if they move him, he would return a solid return. Net gain be 20 million in extra caproom next summer. Plus about 2 first round picks, or it's equal, because of return on Matheson

 

[Sterling Archer]

Duplicity on the part of whom? Who is lying?

Spellcheck is a duplicitous bitch.

 

[vokiel]

So.. what do we want from Toronto for Allen? Got to be a first

 

[JustAHabFan]

Seem to remember there were a lot of people around here that wanted to trade for him, hope there still not to disappointed

I am one of them and I admitted I was wrong.

 

[Rapala]

Exactly.

I'd be very surprised if a contender use their precious cap space on a player like Pearson, even at 50% retained, unless he goes on a tear before the deadline.
There will be better options out there.

It depends on how much influence Bergevin has in LA Pearson is his type of TDL move.
But of course if his fingerprints are all over the PLD dossier he's probably been shut down.

 

[Goalfield13]

So.. what do we want from Toronto for Allen? Got to be a first

A first for Allen and some cap relief isn't that far-fetched. I know our management team was high on Samsonov at one point. Maybe they still are, despite his tough year. Honestly, regardless of the advanced stats for the leafs, they never pass the eye test for me. Their D-core is horrible.

I would do Allen @ 50% for Samsonov and a first. Allen, Jones and Woll should be enough duct tape for the leafs this season, and they keep Allen for next season to back up Woll again. We get Samsonov, and if he bounces back, he can be a decent tandem goalie with our other tandem goalie, Monty. If he doesn't bounce back, he's off the books anyways.

I think Samsonov is a decent goalie that can thrive as a 1B. He's not as mentally strong as Monty, but I have seen his ceiling, and he is better than Monty there.

 

[Rapala]

My guess is Mrazek will get moved for sure. Contract ends this season he's playing well for Chicago he only has about 2.25 M cap hit left.
He'll get more consideration than Jake Allen IMO.

 

[Goalfield13]

Also, the funny thing is, the leafs could really use Savard as well. Too bad they don't have enough assets to improve their G and D situation through one stop shopping with us.

 

[BaseballCoach]

You risk losing out on getting something in return by playing hardball with players like this. If someone is willing to give me something somewhat decent for Allen with more then a year left on his contract, pull the trigger and beat the other teams to the punch. Just having his cap off the roster next year wins us the trade considering we have Primeau. Any return is just a plus. I feel this is the same mistake they made with Josh Anderson.

For next year excluding any new acquisitions:

Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
Newhook-Dach-Ylonen
Monahan (extended)-Evans-Anderson
Roy (or Heineman/Farrell)-Dvorak (until TDL)-Gallagher
Spare: RHP, Pezzetta

Matheson-Barron
Guhle-Savard
Struble-Xhekaj
spare: Kovacevic

Montembeault
Primeau

Trade:
Allen
Harris
Pearson
Armia

Laval:
Heineman-Farrell-Kidney-Beck-Mesar
Hutson-Reinbacher-Mailloux-Engstrom
Dobes

 

[Goalfield13]

My guess is Mrazek will get moved for sure. Contract ends this season he's playing well for Chicago he only has about 2.25 M cap hit left.
He'll get more consideration than Jake Allen IMO.

You think Toronto is going to bring back Mrazek!? He was HORRIBLE for them, and they had to trade away assets to get rid of him just recently. No way they go that option. Allen is twice the goalie Mrazek is. The leaf fanbase would be LIVID.

 

[therocket9]

But I don't think they can move Allen, Dvo and Armia. Maybe they can move Pearson with 50% retained because he's on an expiring deal.

Montreal already got a 3rd round pick from the Canucks for Pearson.

 

[austin316]

So who flinches first and trade for a goalie? Rank which one turn to Allen?
These should all have been playoff team or fighting for a wild card, only one is in right now and the rest are outside looking in and will be in a pretty big fight for the last 2 spots… None of these team have a goalie given them .900sv%.

Carolina >Totonto>NJ>Edmonton>Buffalo

Buffalo as the most cap and assets but have the lease pressure to win now.
NJ are also early in their window.
Toronto and Edmonton probably have the most pressure to make the move but Edmonton is in a worst situation and could get outbid by any of the team not sure they get something done, Carolina have space and assets and pressure to win but they are so cheapest not sure they make a move but I still make the 1st…

We will be lucky to get a 3rd round pick for Allen, so I wouldn’t get your hopes up.

 

[Rapala]

You think Toronto is going to bring back Mrazek!? He was HORRIBLE for them, and they had to trade away assets to get rid of him just recently. No way they go that option. Allen is twice the goalie Mrazek is. The leaf fanbase would be LIVID.

Did I say Toronto? Are they the only team searching for goaltending?
I have no affixation or even interest in what the Leafs do. I also doubt they have an interest in Allen.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Spellcheck is a duplicitous bitch.

Nice save.

 

[Jaynki]

We will be lucky to get a 3rd round pick for Allen, so I wouldn’t get your hopes up.

Honestly,

Goalie are in high demand right now. Teams are signing/PTOing the likes of Aaron Dell and Jaroslav Halak.

The goalie market is very different and way more volatile, due to the nature of offer/demand for this particular position, than it is for forward and defenseman.

This year, it appears we are in a pretty good spot to sell one of our goalie. I don't know what is the ultimate offer we have for Allen but it may end up in a bidding war and a nice surprise. We will see.

Some years, there may be 5-6 goalie available for one or two spot. This year is the opposite. Demand seems high and offer seems very thin right now in the goalie market.

 

[Vachon23]

I would do Allen @ 50% for Samsonov and a first. Allen

Someone is gonna be disappointed when he will see the return for Allen…

 

[calder candidate]

We will be lucky to get a 3rd round pick for Allen, so I wouldn’t get your hopes up.

I don’t disagree but if the goal is to get rid of Allen we can just waive him we don’t even need the cap space and even if it isn’t ideal all 3 goalies are doing ok. Making the playoff and not wasting a season of the window or star player prime or even just getting 2 extra home game is worth a lot more than a 3rd to those teams. There is no reason for us to be desperate, we can sit back and let them try to find a cheaper solution there isn’t 5 better goalies that will be cheaper than Allen to acquire and not all of these team will be able to make the playoff.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

You risk losing out on getting something in return by playing hardball with players like this. If someone is willing to give me something somewhat decent for Allen with more then a year left on his contract, pull the trigger and beat the other teams to the punch. Just having his cap off the roster next year wins us the trade considering we have Primeau. Any return is just a plus. I feel this is the same mistake they made with Josh Anderson.

I doubt Hughes is asking for much, there is zero evidence that any type of "mistake" is being made and I have no clue what you are even talking about with Anderson. He is a good player and a great teammate, the hate for him is gross.

 

[WinterLion]

Which teams are desperate for G's?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I don’t disagree but if the goal is to get rid of Allen we can just waive him we don’t even need the cap space and even if it isn’t ideal all 3 goalies are doing ok. Making the playoff and not wasting a season of the window or star player prime or even just getting 2 extra home game is worth a lot more than a 3rd to those teams. There is no reason for us to be desperate, we can sit back and let them try to find a cheaper solution there isn’t 5 better goalies that will be cheaper than Allen to acquire and not all of these team will be able to make the playoff.

The whole point with Hughes is to not treat vets like trash and to create a desirable destination for free agents and trade targets. Jake Allen is a quality NHL goaltender and should not be in the AHL which is why they won't waive him. If they weren't going to send DeSmith to the AHL then why would they send Allen there, it is the same situation only Hughes actually has a relationship with Allen.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I doubt Hughes is asking for much, there is zero evidence that any type of "mistake" is being made and I have no clue what you are even talking about with Anderson. He is a good player and a great teammate, the hate for him is gross.

What are you talking about hate? Me suggesting they should’ve moved Anderson is not hate.

 

[Kosseca]

I dont think Ylonen is a top 6 and not sure Newhook is as well. For now, we need Monahan in there as a top 6 and sometimes, yes, doing 3rd line duties as a center. My 2nd line would be Monahan/Anderson with the hope that HuGo can fetch us a true 2nd line center. Also Anderson, on a good team, is 3rd line material. We also need another top 6 winger. Sooo... I guess we will have to wait and see if Beck, Roy, Heineman make the team for 24-25.

oddly enough, I think that Evans is the glue on this line and odds are that if you take him out, you lose this weird chemistry. As a 3rd line, this is a good one.

 

[Rapala]

Someone is gonna be disappointed when he will see the return for Allen…

He's basically a dump. Once HuGo do their due dilligece if nobody wants him they should waive him it's not like he isn't getting paid.

 

[HabbyGuy]

What are you talking about hate? Me suggesting they should’ve moved Anderson is not hate.

But to equate not moving Anderson as a mistake seems weird. We need Anderson. His cap isn't hurting us, he's a good teamate and his size speed and 20 goals are very much needed on this roster.

Moving him does very little for us IMO unless it's an offer that actually makes us better.

Without Josh, we're looking for another Anderson to fill his role. Players of his ilk (even if you don't like him) are very hard to find.