HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Kimota]

And what does a retires Savard and a 33 yo Monahan (probably on a bad contract by that time) would bring to a contending team? Theyve got enough leadership with their young guys, and should cash in on guys like Matheson, Monahan, Savard and Anderson before they lose all value and/or are rendered pratically useless due to their age in a couple years

We are talking about present time where the young guys need to develop. It would not be a bad thing to keep the old guys for another 2 years. Cause if we trade them all now, the wheels may fall off.

 

[Kimota]

You just can't do that as has been proven time and time again. Teams that don't keep a stabilizing veteran ;leadership group usually end up in a perpetual rebuild that struggles to gain traction. Just watch last night's game where they show Struble sitting between Matheson and Savard while they are communicating about in game adjustments. This stuff is priceless and can only be obtained by having vets show the kids by example how to be true pros on and off of the ice. Coaching staffs can preach all they want but it means so much more to see older established vets working every moment of every day to continue to strive to be better.

Allen and Savard need to be moved, especially Allen as his situation has become acute with the logjam in net and with so many young D coming up Savard will have to be moved sooner than later as Reinbacher's arrival is just around the corner.

Hughes has some tough decisions to make as there is no way he moves both of Savard and Matheson imo but with Xhekaj, Struble and Harris already fighting over the final remaining LD spot and Hutson and Engstrom on the horizon something significant has to happen and relatively soon.

Savard is the one guy I would not move. I'd rather move Matheson. Also we have just drafted Reinbacker, how is he "around the corner"?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Savard is the one guy I would not move. I'd rather move Matheson. Also we have just drafted Reinbacker, how is he "around the corner"?

I would prefer to keep Matheson as he has a much longer shelf life. Savard is going to have a major drop off soon as he just can't afford to lose another half step. I like Savard alot but the window to trade him for anything of value is closing. I would wait as long as possible this season or perhaps move him in the off season but if we don't get a worthwhile offer then hold on to him until a prospect forces him out.

 

[BLONG7]

I agree that KK did basically burn all the bridges on is way out.
The rational side will say
The upside is now has to be consider limited, he might be a winger, faceoff like everything else is avg. and currently over paid long term…

The optimists will say
He is bigger and younger at 23 he is technically just entering is prime, he is lock up long term (5 years) so only paying for prime year at worst he is a middle 6 and even if he is over paid in 2-3 year it could be a better deal. He might be a winger.
Age fit rebuild time line.

KK recently said that when he invited his grandparents to Montreal to see him play, Bergevin demoted him to Laval....................so they did not see him play at all.

Recently they came back to NA and did see him play an NHL game.............Bergevin was the reason KK signed the hostile offer sheet.

The kid is a decent NHL player, but we should have taken Brady T

 

[HuGort]

You just can't do that as has been proven time and time again. Teams that don't keep a stabilizing veteran leadership group usually end up in a perpetual rebuild that struggles to gain traction. Just watch last night's game where they show Struble sitting between Matheson and Savard while they are communicating about in game adjustments. This stuff is priceless and can only be obtained by having vets show the kids by example how to be true pros on and off of the ice. Coaching staffs can preach all they want but it means so much more to see older established vets working every moment of every day to continue to strive to be better.

Allen and Savard need to be moved, especially Allen as his situation has become acute with the logjam in net and with so many young D coming up Savard will have to be moved sooner than later as Reinbacher's arrival is just around the corner.

Hughes has some tough decisions to make as there is no way he moves both of Savard and Matheson imo but with Xhekaj, Struble and Harris already fighting over the final remaining LD spot and Hutson and Engstrom on the horizon something significant has to happen and relatively soon.

Sam Pollock use to use character veterans to help the young rookies.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Monahan is what he is.

He would have had another assist, but the goal was called back.

His 49 points that he's on pace for would be his best year in 5 years since his career year. He's a beast in the dot.

He's slow, but he was never a speedster. He's surviving because of his smarts.

If dealt he should easily get a 2nd+.


Habs should get Tavares and form the Pokémon evolution line.


Jake Evans evolves into Sean Monahan. Monahan evolves into the final form, Tavares.

The vanilla, no personality group.

 

[calder candidate]

KK recently said that when he invited his grandparents to Montreal to see him play, Bergevin demoted him to Laval....................so they did not see him play at all.

Recently they came back to NA and did see him play an NHL game.............Bergevin was the reason KK signed the hostile offer sheet.

The kid is a decent NHL player, but we should have taken Brady T

MB handling of player dev was and coaching choices was questionable if not horrible… scratching him in the playoff was the last drop and even if their 2 side to every story it is not hard the believe that it is all on MB and he 100% the reason that KK actively wanted out… KK is a decent player but that whole saga had to get to take us toll on him mentally it surely didn’t help him progress or develop… We can said that we should have drafted Brady T, but I don’t remember many people supporting that at the time I wanted Quinn and would still take him.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Thank God KH didn't trade for Dubois!! That's all I have to say!!

 

[WinterLion]

All of a sudden our vets aren't looking so bad. This might end up being a much better TDL.

 

[waitin425]

With the progression of Slaf, I am really starting to think, we need to make that play for Nylander. Add Dach, Newhook and Nylander to this lineup and we are a playoff team. Contending in 2-3 years for sure.

2026/27

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Demidov/Catton/Lindstrom - Dach - Nylander
Newhook - Beck - Mesar

Hell of a top 9.

Nylander would look sweet on the wing of the player Dach was trending to be. I only hope he returns with the same projections of where he was at.

 

[Canadienna]

I'd just gonna slide in here for a second and say that KK has played over 350 games in the NHL so he's pretty much what he is at this point, and that's a 0.42 ppg player.

On a funnier note, with so many people pooping on Dvo, understandably so for how and why he was acquired, so I'm not judging. But Dvo is a very good defensive center with a career 0.48 ppg average.

So why exactly do so many want KK back when he obviously couldn't get out of town fast enough, slapped everyone in the face with his signing bonus, and he's not even as good at offence or defence than the "crappy" guy Habs got to replace him?

I'm just gonna slide in here and say...

He's 23. It would very much surprise me if he "is what he is" at this point.

Give him a couple more years and if he's still struggling then annoying guys like me won't keep defending him.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I'm just gonna slide in here and say...

He's 23. It would very much surprise me if he "is what he is" at this point.

Give him a couple more years and if he's still struggling then annoying guys like me won't keep defending him.

He’s 23 and has played 5 NHL seasons and is on his 6th. He’s been at about the same point total in every year and has t really showed much of any progression even after going to a dominate team who wants him to be a top 6 player.

Maybe he surprises and breaks out in his 7th or 8th season but at this point, I’d say he is what he is.

Edit* I’d also say that’s not to say he can’t have a 2-3 year run of being a 50-60 point player but is that really a game breaking, elite top 6 forward level numbers? He’s not the player he was drafted to be.

 

[Guy Larose]

KK recently said that when he invited his grandparents to Montreal to see him play, Bergevin demoted him to Laval....................so they did not see him play at all.

Recently they came back to NA and did see him play an NHL game.............Bergevin was the reason KK signed the hostile offer sheet.

The kid is a decent NHL player, but we should have taken Brady T

Most of the self declared experts on this board didn't want him because he was apparently too slow and wasn't scoring much where he played. Was even nicknamed Tkabust even before stepping foot in the NHL.

 

[DAChampion]

Most of the self declared experts on this board didn't want him because he was apparently too slow and wasn't scoring much where he played. Was even nicknamed Tkabust even before stepping foot in the NHL.

I second that the draft thread that year was filled with people enraged at the prospect of drafting Tkachuk. It was weird.

 

[No More Subban]

I second that the draft thread that year was filled with people enraged at the prospect of drafting Tkachuk. It was weird.

i remember that. i really wanted brady that year. it was tiring to watch a smurf team, all i wanted was to draft 6'3+ guys every year. had no idea who tf kotkaniemi was.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I don’t know when you got such a good impression of Kent Hughes and his alleged intelligence. To be honest your text reads a bit like sarcasm.

I don’t know a thing about Kent Hughes at this time. It feels to me he’s very self confident. That’s about it. Bergevin was self-confident too.

Kent Hughes is one of the smartest men in hockey, I am not sure how that is not abundantly clear.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Who would you be willing to trade for Alex Holtz? Xhekaj/Harris/Barron/Mailloux?

Dach + Holtz would be sick

 

[DAChampion]

I don’t know when you got such a good impression of Kent Hughes and his alleged intelligence. To be honest your text reads a bit like sarcasm.

I don’t know a thing about Kent Hughes at this time. It feels to me he’s very self confident. That’s about it. Bergevin was self-confident too.

Verbal intelligence is one of the important components of total intelligence. If you listen to Hughes and you listen to Bergevin, you can discern a different level of reasoning then.

Bergevin spoke in terms of slogans, and Hughes speaks in terms of processes. I guess that superficially, processes can be dismissed as slogans, but we see that they get practiced so that counts, they're also higher level in complexity and are accompanied by supporting examples.

 

[sampollock]

Sam Pollock use to use character veterans to help the young rookies.

But guys that were solid
Sean is that guy

 

[B1g B1rd]

I'd keep Monahan because he's an excellent vet, a smart player and someone youngsters can turn to... What is 3 years/4m$ (thats what i would give him) in the future cap when you are building a team with young players. Same reason why i'd keep one of Savard or Matheson.

 

[Guy Larose]

I second that the draft thread that year was filled with people enraged at the prospect of drafting Tkachuk. It was weird.

Some of those same people were bashing Slaf last year and the beginning of this year. He was just starting out as an 18 year old and only played 39 games at that point FFS. There's this negativity from some as soon as HuGo make moves too. I remember the Dach trade being laughed at and people saying he was finished. Newhook was a bust and Monahan was also done. Matheson was a throw-in and a 6th D. Don't care what their circumstances were before the trade, there's just this weird mentality from the same bunch of "experts" that think they know better than HuGo.

 

[Naslundforever]

Savard is the one guy I would not move. I'd rather move Matheson. Also we have just drafted Reinbacker, how is he "around the corner"?

I doubt Reinbacher could take either of those vet spots. No rush as you say.

 

[26Mats]

I'd keep Monahan because he's an excellent vet, a smart player and someone youngsters can turn to... What is 3 years/4m$ (thats what i would give him) in the future cap when you are building a team with young players. Same reason why i'd keep one of Savard or Matheson.

I think this is how HuGo see it. There is injury risk. So if Hughes re-signs him, it will be interesting to see the term.

 

[HuGort]

I think this is how HuGo see it. There is injury risk. So if Hughes re-signs him, it will be interesting to see the term.

I would offer Monahan 2 year. Habs go Suzuki, Dach, Monahan, Beck down the middle is good mix. He good fit on third line with our young players.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Kent Hughes is one of the smartest men in hockey, I am not sure how that is not abundantly clear.

I swear, I have no idea where he gets some of his takes.

It's just a broken record of contrary sentiment time after time against the seemingly obvious.

It's just his (rehabs) schtick I guess.

All the power to him, it's important to have balanced discussion, to weigh pros and cons, but sometimes it just seems unnecessary.