HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[ReHabs]

On Insider Trading just now, Pierre LeBrun said that the Habs are fielding calls on Jake Allen. Nothing imminent but should heat up after the break. Devils and Canes have called

If they’ve called and he hasn’t unloaded Allen yet I have to assume they wanted cap retention and he balked.

I wish the wheels fell off quicker so he can sell Monahan too.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

If they’ve called and he hasn’t unloaded Allen yet I have to assume they wanted cap retention and he balked.

I wish the wheels fell off quicker so he can sell Monahan too.

I am ok with signing Monahan as I think he is a very valuable player to a developing team. We are very likely going to move Savard and Allen and we need some strong leaders/teachers on the roster to help herd the flock. If he wants to resign I wouldn't move him for anything less than a first or a good prospect.

As far as Allen is concerned, he needs to be moved ASAP and HuGo are trying to determine his market value with or without retention.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Yup - Gorton & Hughes have both said multiple times their picks are now collateral to make deals for NHL ready assets, and focus is not to keep adding draft picks

They have mentioned that they will look to add assets that are further along but have not said that they are not looking to acquire picks.

 

[The Great Weal]

I feel like we are overfilled at every position besides center so I don’t see us acquiring projects that are wingers or dmen.

 

[Kimota]

I'd offer Allen + to have KK back. You ask if he's available. He's a solid player with intensity that you can put any places on your roster and he'll be useful.

 

[ReHabs]

I am ok with signing Monahan as I think he is a very valuable player to a developing team. We are very likely going to move Savard and Allen and we need some strong leaders/teachers on the roster to help herd the flock. If he wants to resign I wouldn't move him for anything less than a first or a good prospect.

As far as Allen is concerned, he needs to be moved ASAP and HuGo are trying to determine his market value with or without retention.

Given our non-playoff team stats, it's a matter of time before the wheels fall off and the goalies stop stealing points. I'd rather sell Monahan and finish this year's tank. Hughes didn't put this team in a position to succeed over last off-season, their overperformance on the standings table is fine but the team itself is not any better. The higher draft pick is more attractive right now.

Selling Savard would be a big move too, but I feel like Hughes would be loathed to trade a respected veteran, cup winner, and QC player. I feel like Hughes is a lot like Bergevin, unaware and incapable of picking a lane. It's partly circumstantial: Begevin had Price, he could never tank with such a stud carrying the heavy load and Hughes has a team that's overperforming on the standings table and he feel hesitant to take out the team's knees while they're playing with morale.. Lack of big picture awareness also dictated the inane sequence of the 1OA and 5OA picks and how they were "developed".

Selling Monahan, Allen, and Savard asap would be a bold move to protect the team's greater interests. If they were performing better I'd say Go For The Playoffs but they're really not. 87 GF in 32 GP (2.7 gpg) is hopelessly bad for a playoff series when you don't have Carey Price backstopping you.

 

[HuGort]

I am ok with signing Monahan as I think he is a very valuable player to a developing team. We are very likely going to move Savard and Allen and we need some strong leaders/teachers on the roster to help herd the flock. If he wants to resign I wouldn't move him for anything less than a first or a good prospect.

As far as Allen is concerned, he needs to be moved ASAP and HuGo are trying to determine his market value with or without retention.

Savard with another goal tonight is pumping his trade value

 

[Kimota]

Given our non-playoff team stats, it's a matter of time before the wheels fall off and the goalies stop stealing points. I'd rather sell Monahan and finish this year's tank. Hughes didn't put this team in a position to succeed over last off-season, their overperformance on the standings table is fine but the team itself is not any better. The higher draft pick is more attractive right now.

Selling Savard would be a big move too, but I feel like Hughes would be loathed to trade a respected veteran, cup winner, and QC player. I feel like Hughes is a lot like Bergevin, unaware and incapable of picking a lane. It's partly circumstantial: Begevin had Price, he could never tank with such a stud carrying the heavy load and Hughes has a team that's overperforming on the standings table and he feel hesitant to take out the team's knees while they're playing with morale.. Lack of big picture awareness also dictated the inane sequence of the 1OA and 5OA picks and how they were "developed".

Selling Monahan, Allen, and Savard asap would be a bold move to protect the team's greater interests. If they were performing better I'd say Go For The Playoffs but they're really not. 87 GF in 32 GP (2.7 gpg) is hopelessly bad for a playoff series when you don't have Carey Price backstopping you.

My issue with this is always that you end up with a too young squad who don't know how to win and crumble under pressure. We have seen it happen with Leafs, Oilers and many others.

 

[salbutera]

Savard with another goal tonight is pumping his trade value

Savard will not be traded this deadline, unless it’s an offer HuGo simply can’t refuse (a late 1st rounder isn’t that offer), maybe next deadline he gets dealt - too valuable to help current group of young D & stabilize Matheson

 

[ReHabs]

My issue with this is always that you end up with a too young squad who don't know how to win and crumble under pressure. We have seen it happen with Leafs, Oilers and many others.

Good point. It’s tough to figure out what to do, especially when the organization seems to have no idea what it is trying to do. Hughes weakened the team over summer and is seemingly not interested in shoring it up nor weakening it now. What to do?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Savard with another goal tonight is pumping his trade value

As Chiarot did, lol

 

[HuGort]

Savard will not be traded this deadline, unless it’s an offer HuGo simply can’t refuse (a late 1st rounder isn’t that offer), maybe next deadline he gets dealt - too valuable to help current group of young D & stabilize Matheson

I am more in favour of trading Matheson. While his value is high. But one of him or Savard should be moved for young asset to help us going forward. As Harris likely not get back in lineup and Wifi is stuck Laval to get minutes. We too deep on defense. Wasting a lot of development time.

 

[sampollock]

I'd offer Allen + to have KK back. You ask if he's available. He's a solid player with intensity that you can put any places on your roster and he'll be useful.

no KK done with Bambi.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Imo Habs should look to move both Primeau and Allen. If you can move Allen you're almost certainly taking back a goalie, so let that goalie sit and toil as a backup

Get a 3rd (+ goalie) for Allen and a 5th for Primeau, or whatever it is.

 

[DAChampion]

If Hughes is looking to avoid retaining on Allen, is it because he wants some cap space next season, or because he wants to be able to retain on Dvorak or Armia?

 

[SwiftyHab]

There is definitely a trade to be had with either Edmonton or New Jersey who both need a goalie (Allen) and a D-man. In the Athletic today, Lebrun also mentioned that Carolina was in the mix and Hughes could potentially play NJ and Caorlina off eachother since theyre both competing for the same playoff spot.

 

[Habricot]

Because for every goal Matheson may help to score he causes at least 3. He is a hot mess each and every game.

Because he plays too much! But this will go down with time.

 

[Habricot]

The point is he isn't our best center now and if he doesn't play lot's of hockey again next year he won't be then either. I'm glad you brought up Markov because he certainly wasn't our best D when he wasn't playing. Which is exactly what I posted. I want to look back after an 82 game season and be able to say Kirby Dach was our best center. Which is what we said about Markov when he was finally able to play regularly.

He was our best center for a short while last year!

 

[Habricot]

There is definitely a trade to be had with either Edmonton or New Jersey who both need a goalie (Allen) and a D-man. In the Athletic today, Lebrun also mentioned that Carolina was in the mix and Hughes could potentially play NJ and Caorlina off eachother since theyre both competing for the same playoff spot.

We need quality in the top6 more then picks. I would also trade Matheson before Savard. I think we are too thin on the rigth side. I wonder what we could get for Matheson and Allen as a package. I doubt it would interest any of NJ or Carolina.

 

[vokiel]

He was our best center for a short while last year!

So was Galchenyuk once... It means nothing.

 

[calder candidate]

I'd offer Allen + to have KK back. You ask if he's available. He's a solid player with intensity that you can put any places on your roster and he'll be useful.

It is a complicated situation because of the history, but I have brought it up before there seem to be a fit… Carolina need a goalie, they should be in win now mode, they need someone cheaper to replace KK, Allen contrat isn’t a issue since Andersen could go the other way, they need KK cap space to resign 4 important players and KK is underperforming 3 pts in like 19 after a hot start, that doesn’t fit in there salary structure, Mtl have 3 C that are available and can play in the NHL with cheaper and shorter contract.

Allen
Monahan or Dvorak or Evans
+ a pick or prospect depending on the player
For
KK
Andersen or cap dump
+ maybe a prospect base on the C being acquired or cap dump going the other way…

I mean any trade combinaison that would include Dvorak for KK would just be hilarious…

 

[Sterling Archer]

I'd just gonna slide in here for a second and say that KK has played over 350 games in the NHL so he's pretty much what he is at this point, and that's a 0.42 ppg player.

On a funnier note, with so many people pooping on Dvo, understandably so for how and why he was acquired, so I'm not judging. But Dvo is a very good defensive center with a career 0.48 ppg average.

So why exactly do so many want KK back when he obviously couldn't get out of town fast enough, slapped everyone in the face with his signing bonus, and he's not even as good at offence or defence than the "crappy" guy Habs got to replace him?

 

[Habssince89]

I'd just gonna slide in here for a second and say that KK has played over 350 games in the NHL so he's pretty much what he is at this point, and that's a 0.42 ppg player.

On a funnier note, with so many people pooping on Dvo, understandably so for how and why he was acquired, so I'm not judging. But Dvo is a very good defensive center with a career 0.48 ppg average.

So why exactly do so many want KK back when he obviously couldn't get out of town fast enough, slapped everyone in the face with his signing bonus, and he's not even as good at offence or defence than the "crappy" guy Habs got to replace him?

It's just a lot of what ifs that get people obsessed. In my personal opinion, we should've kept the picks or traded them for something else but KK wasn't going to develop here under the bergevin regime. Odds are KK wouldn't anything better than he is now. Just a situation with no lateral options (in hindsight anyway)

 

[sampollock]

LeBrun on Insider Trading says the Carolina Hurricanes recently spoke to Montreal about Jake Allen and the Devils have discussed Jake Allen internally. Martin Brodeur was in St. Louis with Jake Allen , so he knows him well.

 

[Ezpz]

I'd just gonna slide in here for a second and say that KK has played over 350 games in the NHL so he's pretty much what he is at this point, and that's a 0.42 ppg player.

On a funnier note, with so many people pooping on Dvo, understandably so for how and why he was acquired, so I'm not judging. But Dvo is a very good defensive center with a career 0.48 ppg average.

So why exactly do so many want KK back when he obviously couldn't get out of town fast enough, slapped everyone in the face with his signing bonus, and he's not even as good at offence or defence than the "crappy" guy Habs got to replace him?

People dunked too early with KKs early season point per game pace which how now regressed even lower than his normal pace. He'll have another hot streak in March and it'll be, well he's breaking out now, next year if you count October and March, hes a hundred point player. He is a nothing burger player like zubrus. Big body but not physical, limited use of his skill, not great defensively.