HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[nhlfan9191]

But to equate not moving Anderson as a mistake seems weird. We need Anderson. His cap isn't hurting us, he's a good teamate and his size speed and 20 goals are very much needed on this roster.

Moving him does very little for us IMO unless it's an offer that is impossible to refuse.

Without Josh, we're looking for another Anderson to fill his role.

I like Anderson but he’s not worth anywhere near what he’s being paid and the term on his contract is way to long. We know Hughes was shopping him so it shouldn’t be insulting to anyone to suggest he should’ve been moved, especially with his stock probably dropping off a cliff after this year. He’s been playing better lately but no team is going to take a chance on 3+ years of him at this point. It would’ve been nice to clean up more of Bergevin’s mess.

 

[HabbyGuy]

I like Anderson but he’s not worth anywhere near what he’s being paid and the term on his contract is way to long. We know Hughes was shopping him so it shouldn’t be insulting to anyone to suggest he should’ve been moved, especially with his stock probably dropping off a cliff after this year. He’s been playing better lately but no team is going to take a chance on 3+ years of him at this point. It would’ve been nice to clean up more of Bergevin’s mess.

We don't know he was shopping him only that others were calling about him.

And yes Bergevin left a mess, but to me Anderson does not belong in that category, sure he's probably making too much, but it ain't hurting us and he's very much a need on this team.

Trading Domi for Anderson is actually a win for Bergy.

 

[Rapala]

Which teams are desperate for G's?

The underperforming teams who are supposed to be in the hunt. Buffalo Edmonton maybe NJD or Carolina in the east
Edmonton and maybe Seattle and Minnesota in the west. These teams would be the ones who would have to pull the trigger sooner than later.

Then there will be teams higher up in the standings who may want to shore up their goaltending for the post season Toronto being one of those.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Which teams are desperate for G's?

Jersey, Edmonton, Toronto, Carolina......

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

What are you talking about hate? Me suggesting they should’ve moved Anderson is not hate.

Fair enough, but I would certainly not consider him not being moved as a mistake. As you know there are many on here who do hate the guy although he is producing again so maybe they like him now........you know how this place is

 

[nhlfan9191]

We don't know he was shopping him only that others were calling about him.

And yes Bergevin left a mess, but to me Anderson does not belong in that category, sure he's probably making too much, but it ain't hurting us and he's very much a need on this team.

Trading Domi for Anderson is actually a win for Bergy.

The trade player for player was good but I was never a fan of the contract. I thought it was to rich for what he was. He isn’t hurting us now but if the team starts competing a few years from now, it does worry me. I personally just wanted to be cleansed of everything in Bergevin’s blue print. We’re already going to be stuck with Gallagher being grossly overpaid in the bottom 6 for the next 3 years.

 

[HabbyGuy]

The trade player for player was good but I was never a fan of the contract. I thought it was to rich for what he was. He isn’t hurting us now but if the team starts competing a few years from now, it does worry me. I personally just wanted to be cleansed of everything in Bergevin’s blue print. We’re already going to be stuck with Gallagher being grossly overpaid in the bottom 6 for the next 3 years.

We'll see, the cap will also be going up, so in 3 years it may be all moot.

Trading him right now however does nothing for us, infact it's the opposite.

Unless the trade makes sense., I personally don't see the point.

 

[calder candidate]

The whole point with Hughes is to not treat vets like trash and to create a desirable destination for free agents and trade targets. Jake Allen is a quality NHL goaltender and should not be in the AHL which is why they won't waive him. If they weren't going to send DeSmith to the AHL then why would they send Allen there, it is the same situation only Hughes actually has a relationship with Allen.

I never said to threat player like trash… people are acting like it is a hot potato and we desperately need to get rid of him as if there is no solution, the situation isn’t ideal but it is hopeless… In this game of chicken we have nothing to lose it the other team that are on the clock, if at some point we will a decent offer I’m sure KH we do right by Allen…

 

[26Mats]

They won't retain Pearson unless they can't move anyone else. He won't return enough to be worth retaining.

Yes, that's why I think we might keep him. Not sure any team would want him at that salary. But, we got a 5th for retaining on Bonino last TDL. Maybe a 3rd party team will take a 5th to retain on Pearson. So something like we get a 7th, a 3rd party team gets a 5th for retaining 50%, and some team gets Pearson for a 5th and a 7th.

But even at that price, not sure any team wants Pearson, like no one wanted Matthew Perreault the year we had him as a pending UFA on a very low cap hit.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I never said to threat player like trash… people are acting like it is a hot potato and we desperately need to get rid of him as if there is no solution, the situation isn’t ideal but it is hopeless… In this game of chicken we have nothing to lose it the other team that are on the clock, if at some point we will a decent offer I’m sure KH we do right by Allen…

Hughes will trade him for an underwhelming return but Allen is not at the top of anyone's list so some dominoes will need to fall before he is targeted.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Yes, that's why I think we might keep him. Not sure any team would want him at that salary. But, we got a 5th for retaining on Bonino last TDL. Maybe a 3rd party team will take a 5th to retain on Pearson. So something like we get a 7th, a 3rd party team gets a 5th for retaining 50%, and some team gets Pearson for a 5th and a 7th.

But even at that price, not sure any team wants Pearson, like no one wanted Matthew Perreault the year we had him as a pending UFA on a very low cap hit.

Pearson has a Stanley Cup ring with L.A. and he plays playoff style hockey which is alot more than anyone could say about Perreault who doesn't check either category and never even hit the 20 goal mark in his entire career. Pearson's cap hit sucks but he has value at 1.6M as a bottom 6 forward on a playoff team. I would not be shocked if Hughes was able to pick up a 3rd with 50% retention.

 

[Goalfield13]

Did I say Toronto? Are they the only team searching for goaltending?
I have no affixation or even interest in what the Leafs do. I also doubt they have an interest in Allen.

My bad.

 

[26Mats]

Pearson has a Stanley Cup ring with L.A. and he plays playoff style hockey which is alot more than anyone could say about Perreault who doesn't check either category and never even hit the 20 goal mark in his entire career. Pearson's cap hit sucks but he has value at 1.6M as a bottom 6 forward on a playoff team. I would not be shocked if Hughes was able to pick up a 3rd with 50% retention.

We'll see. Dwight King was able to fetch a pick for some, but fewer, of the qualities you listed...

Perreault was a good player in his prime. The problem was he was on his last legs when we had him as a UFA. If I were a contender I would only add Pearson as a 4th liner, maybe 3rd liner if I had a lot of injuries. Pearson does show a lot of good things at times (hustle, speed, scoring touch, puck management). But at other times he looks like he too is on his last legs in the NHL. I really want him moved to give more of an opportunity to the likes of Ylonen, Heineman, and RHP.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I never said to threat player like trash… people are acting like it is a hot potato and we desperately need to get rid of him as if there is no solution, the situation isn’t ideal but it is hopeless… In this game of chicken we have nothing to lose it the other team that are on the clock, if at some point we will a decent offer I’m sure KH we do right by Allen…

Hot take - the situation is actually pretty good. There's politics involved with goalie starts, but Montreal's been able to keep 3 goalies on the roster and all 3 are playing well.

Unless one or more goalies actually demands out, Montreal doesn't have any urgency to make a trade and have injury protection while other teams exhaust goalie options.

 

[BLONG7]

Most of the self declared experts on this board didn't want him because he was apparently too slow and wasn't scoring much where he played. Was even nicknamed Tkabust even before stepping foot in the NHL.

Our self declared experts, are about as reliable as Craig Button...............everyone has their 2 cents eh....

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The whole point with Hughes is to not treat vets like trash and to create a desirable destination for free agents and trade targets. Jake Allen is a quality NHL goaltender and should not be in the AHL which is why they won't waive him. If they weren't going to send DeSmith to the AHL then why would they send Allen there, it is the same situation only Hughes actually has a relationship with Allen.

Fair enough. However, I don’t think it’s treating a player like trash if you’re trading them from a bottom feeder to a contender.

And YES we should trade Anderson if we can get a first. Better for him and us.

 

[sampollock]

So.. what do we want from Toronto for Allen? Got to be a first

Mire there 1 st is a high 2nd

Jersey, Edmonton, Toronto, Carolina......

Buff to

 

[Deus ex machina]

Hughes will trade him for an underwhelming return but Allen is not at the top of anyone's list so some dominoes will need to fall before he is targeted.

Listening to the insiders the last few days, Allen seems like a main target.

 

[sampollock]

Listening to the insiders the last few days, Allen seems like a main target.

Best get something if true value

 

[Guy Larose]

Our self declared experts, are about as reliable as Craig Button...............everyone has their 2 cents eh....

Button called him names and a bust even before he was in the NHL?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Listening to the insiders the last few days, Allen seems like a main target.

None of those guys are insiders and no team is looking to trade for Allen to be their #1. He will be acquired as a veteran backup/insurance and the price will be relatively cheap.

He would be good for a team like the Leafs who really believe in Woll when he is healthy but don't trust any of their backups. Edmonton would be foolish to trade for him so I think an injury may end up pushing a team who is not currently considered a player in the goalie market to emerge.

 

[Deus ex machina]

None of those guys are insiders and no team is looking to trade for Allen to be their #1. He will be acquired as a veteran backup/insurance and the price will be relatively cheap.

He would be good for a team like the Leafs who really believe in Woll when he is healthy but don't trust any of their backups. Edmonton would be foolish to trade for him so I think an injury may end up pushing a team who is not currently considered a player in the goalie market to emerge.

I didn't name anybody. How can you say they are not insiders?

And i've never said anything about Allen being a #1.
There are teams in need of a decent goalie, better than what they have, if they want to make the playoffs. That's all.

The Habs paid a 3rd to get him as a backup, in the summer. I expect that the return will be better than that (probably with retention), with those teams not having a ton of options at the moment.

KH won't give him away just to help them.

 

[DAChampion]

A lot of excitement to trade Allen.

Best case scenario?

The Habs get a second (that probably turns into a bust), they get capspace (that they don't need), and Primeau gets more starts (so the cycle begins anew in the years with Dobes).

So it's not a big deal.

But we're bored.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I didn't name anybody. How can you say they are not insiders?

And i've never said anything about Allen being a #1.
There are teams in need of a decent goalie, better than what they have, if they want to make the playoffs. That's all.

The Habs paid a 3rd to get him as a backup, in the summer. I expect that the return will be better than that (probably with retention), with those teams not having a ton of options at the moment.

KH won't give him away just to help them.

There are no such thing as insiders.....that is how I knew

Zero chance we get better than a 3rd for Allen imo who is older, worse and still has another year at close to 4M.

KH might very well give him away for next to nothing because he is not happy and the current situation is untenable.

 

[tazsub3]

The whole point with Hughes is to not treat vets like trash and to create a desirable destination for free agents and trade targets. Jake Allen is a quality NHL goaltender and should not be in the AHL which is why they won't waive him. If they weren't going to send DeSmith to the AHL then why would they send Allen there, it is the same situation only Hughes actually has a relationship with Allen.

Exactly . Also Hughes knows every player is an asset , and he never does anything to devalue this asset, contrary to what the previous fools did . They devalued thee assets on the ice, through the coaches and in the media

Exactly . Also Hughes knows every player is an asset , and he never does anything to devalue this asset, contrary to what the previous fools did . They devalued thee assets on the ice, through the coaches and in the media

Were you the guy that said that we need to give a first and retain to get rid of Hoffman?
I for one , will wait to see what Hughes can do , as I am confident he will get a maximum return