HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Deus ex machina]

There are no such thing as insiders.....that is how I knew

Zero chance we get better than a 3rd for Allen imo who is older, worse and still has another year at close to 4M.

KH might very well give him away for next to nothing because he is not happy and the current situation is untenable.

You seem to know what's happening inside the team. Are you an insider?
Oh right... they don't exist

Are you one of those that expect insiders to be seers?
Like, know what teams will do before teams know themselves?

I agree that trading Allen at 4M will be difficult. Not many teams can take on that contract at this time.
I think the Habs will have to retain and/or take on a cap dump to make it happen.

I don't agree that the situation in untenable. I don't see a major problem here, other than having one less roster spot for a skater.
All three goalies have the workload of a backup, so they are well rested. I think it's one of the reason why they're playing this good.

KH can take his time and wait for his price.

 

[HuGort]

So.. what do we want from Toronto for Allen? Got to be a first

A 3rd?

 

[BLONG7]

Button called him names and a bust even before he was in the NHL?

Button also said we wouldn't get a game from the Leafs, in da playoff.....................we got 4
Everyone of us, can see something different............

 

[sampollock]

According to Luke Fox of Sportsnet, it appears that a Canadiens player, in the person of Sean Monahan , could fill a glaring need with the Maple Leafs. The latter, renowned for their offensive power but also criticized for their defensive shortcomings, are looking for rental players to strengthen their blue line and attackers to improve their defensive game. Among the names mentioned, in addition to Monahan, are Adam Henrique of the Anaheim Ducks and Alexander Wennberg of the Seattle Kraken.

However, the Leafs face salary constraints with only a little over $800,000 under the cap. The salaries of Henrique and Wennberg, of 5.825M and 4.5M respectively, make these options more complex. This is where Sean Monahan , with a 1.95M contract, becomes a very interesting alternative. In addition to his notable performances in the faceoff circle, his quality in defensive play and his leadership are valuable assets that the Leafs are looking for.

 

[calder candidate]

According to Luke Fox of Sportsnet, it appears that a Canadiens player, in the person of Sean Monahan , could fill a glaring need with the Maple Leafs. The latter, renowned for their offensive power but also criticized for their defensive shortcomings, are looking for rental players to strengthen their blue line and attackers to improve their defensive game. Among the names mentioned, in addition to Monahan, are Adam Henrique of the Anaheim Ducks and Alexander Wennberg of the Seattle Kraken.

However, the Leafs face salary constraints with only a little over $800,000 under the cap. The salaries of Henrique and Wennberg, of 5.825M and 4.5M respectively, make these options more complex. This is where Sean Monahan , with a 1.95M contract, becomes a very interesting alternative. In addition to his notable performances in the faceoff circle, his quality in defensive play and his leadership are valuable assets that the Leafs are looking for.

Toronto are not trading for Monahan even if that might be one of the few players they can fit, even if they wanted they are likely to get outbid by some who actually need a C or middle 6 FW…

 

[sampollock]

It's not a good season for the Kloten team where David Reinbacher plays in Switzerland. We shouldn't be surprised to see him arrive in Laval for the home stretch of the season. » - Anthony Marcotte

 

[Canadiens98]

What do you guys think it would take to bring over Dylan Strome (under the assumption he was available in the summer)?

He's on 5mil through the 2027/28 season. Again, I'm not sure if the Capitals would even trade him so let's just work under the assumption he could be had at the end of this season.

I like Strome and he's still only 26 (27 in March). I think he, Suzuki, Dach, Caufield, Slafkovsky, and Newhook would be a really interesting top 6 that can all continue to grow together

 

[sampollock]

Forwards Christian Dvorak and Joel Armia , defender David Savard and goalkeeper Jake Allen are all signed for next season and, as David Pagnotta recently reported, all of these attackers are reportedly actively available - so the club is also ready to answer calls regarding Jake Evans . » - Via The Fourth Period

 

[sampollock]

“Monahan looks like he wants to stay. We wondered if he wanted to win a Stanley Cup, but I think he loves Montreal and the team he is with. I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed with the Montreal Canadiens, but it's certain that he will be a coveted player [on the transaction market]. » - André Roy

 

[The Great Weal]

You're insane if you give Monahan a multi year deal. Guy has fallen off a cliff since his crazy start and only useful on the PP.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Forwards Christian Dvorak and Joel Armia , defender David Savard and goalkeeper Jake Allen are all signed for next season and, as David Pagnotta recently reported, all of these attackers are reportedly actively available - so the club is also ready to answer calls regarding Jake Evans . » - Via The Fourth Period

Didn't know Savard ans Allen were attackers in addition to their natural position. What versatile assets we have to trade!

But it's true, especially about Allen. He's dangerous around the net.

 

[overlords]

You're insane if you give Monahan a multi year deal. Guy has fallen off a cliff since his crazy start and only useful on the PP.

Getting sentimental about broken down players is how we ended up with the gallagher contract. We need to move the f*** on.

 

[malcb33]

A lot of excitement to trade Allen.

Best case scenario?

The best case scenario IMO is they trade Allen for a pick or prospect, and the goaltending cools off and stops collecting us loser points.

I realize that Allen alone is not holding it together, but the team needs a top 10 pick from this year.

 

[Miller Time]

You're insane if you give Monahan a multi year deal. Guy has fallen off a cliff since his crazy start and only useful on the PP.

Monahan put up 7pts in his last 10 games... Better than any fwd not named Nick.

He's played all 33 games & is 2nd in goals, 3rd in toi (among fwds).

If he holds up health wise all year, it would be crazy not to re-sign him on a 2-4 year deal if he's keen on coming back, which he seems to be, unless he expects Mtl to beat the best UFA offer he gets.

I suspect we'll re-sign him for a very team friendly deal, and it will prove to be a massive bargain for us.

 

[malcb33]

If he holds up health wise all year, it would be crazy not to re-sign him on a 2-4 year deal if he's keen on coming back, which he seems to be, unless he expects Mtl to beat the best UFA offer he gets.

I suspect we'll re-sign him for a very team friendly deal, and it will prove to be a massive bargain for us.

If KH is any good at this job (and I believe he is) those discussions will have already been had, so KH should have a good idea of his contract expectations, and will have to make the decision to trade or sign him.

If Monahan is serious about resigning here to a team friendly deal, he should be OK signing soon rather than waiting until the end of the season. My guess is that Monahan isn't getting top 6 money anywhere other than bottom tier teams, so he's likely want to go to a competing team as a 3C and win.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It would be a massive mistake by Hughes to resign an injury prone Monahan to a multi year deal when he could be sold for assets.

 

[LaP]

Monahan put up 7pts in his last 10 games... Better than any fwd not named Nick.

He's played all 33 games & is 2nd in goals, 3rd in toi (among fwds).

If he holds up health wise all year, it would be crazy not to re-sign him on a 2-4 year deal if he's keen on coming back, which he seems to be, unless he expects Mtl to beat the best UFA offer he gets.

I suspect we'll re-sign him for a very team friendly deal, and it will prove to be a massive bargain for us.

It depends the offers we get at deadline. If there's an overbid because of his contract and the offer is a quality prospect and a 1st then i think it's the other way around it would be crazy to not trade him.

We need top 6 now but we also need top 6 in four years from now when Slaf / Guhle will be entering their prime and Caufield / Suuzki will be in the middle of it . Let's say teams get crazy and NYR offer Othmann and a conditional 1st for Monahan (1st if scf and 2nd if not) do you really say no to that?

 

[1909]

It would be a massive mistake by Hughes to resign an injury prone Monahan to a multi year deal when he could be sold for assets.

Yes. Dach will be back and Beck is not far away.

 

[morhilane]

It would be a massive mistake by Hughes to resign an injury prone Monahan to a multi year deal when he could be sold for assets.

He's going to be sold for assets, doesn't stop Hughes making an offer on July 1st, especially if Evans is also moved. Doesn't mean Monahan takes the offer either.

 

[BaseballCoach]

It would be a massive mistake by Hughes to resign an injury prone Monahan to a multi year deal when he could be sold for assets.

I'm a numbers guy, and like to quantify things.

What would be the minimum assets you would want to get for Monahan instead of signing him for 3 years at $4M?

Or, if we could not trade him for ANY assets, what is the max AAV you would give him on a 2 year deal? 3 year deal?

 

[sampollock]

I'm a numbers guy, and like to quantify things.

What would be the minimum assets you would want to get for Monahan instead of signing him for 3 years at $4M?

Or, if we could not trade him for ANY assets, what is the max AAV you would give him on a 2 year deal? 3 year deal?

A good prospect in return

 

[1909]

Harris, Allen, Armia, Dvorak should be on the trade block. Maybe Monahan.

 

[ReHabs]

I'm a numbers guy, and like to quantify things.

What would be the minimum assets you would want to get for Monahan instead of signing him for 3 years at $4M?

Or, if we could not trade him for ANY assets, what is the max AAV you would give him on a 2 year deal? 3 year deal?

I don’t consider him as part of the future, given his frailty. I’d offer 6m/2yrs, but he’s going to get more on the market, especially in term of years. This could be his Cashing In contract. I don’t want any part of that.

To sell him, I’d settle for a 2nd round pick if it’s a buyer’s market but it’s usually a seller’s market and Monahan would be among the more desirable deadline pieces so hopefully we can get multiple assets.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Harris, Allen, Armia, Dvorak should be on the trade block. Maybe Monahan.

Identify players you want to be part of the future and the rest you listen on.

So, it's like Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slaf and maybe Newhook up front.

Guhle, maybe Struble on the back end. Xhekaj in the A. He's the type of bottom pairing d you want to have. I include him as he may be in the A, but he's apart of the team.

I guess Monty in nets.

Anyone else, unless my brain is missing some egregious, then everyone else is open.

I didn't include prospects as the habs should be keeping the obvious ones.

 

[Miller Time]

It depends the offers we get at deadline. If there's an overbid because of his contract and the offer is a quality prospect and a 1st then i think it's the other way around it would be crazy to not trade him.

We need top 6 now but we also need top 6 in four years from now when Slaf / Guhle will be entering their prime and Caufield / Suuzki will be in the middle of it . Let's say teams get crazy and NYR offer Othmann and a conditional 1st for Monahan (1st if scf and 2nd if not) do you really say no to that?

Sorry, appears to be a bit of confusion...

I agee that it would be crazy not to trade him for any decent offer.

But if he does love being in Mtl and a part of what we are building, signing him to a 2-4yr deal as long as it's not for UFA premium this offseason is a no brainer... That's what I meant.