HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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Even if they make it is Mtl choice to take the 2024 pick 20-32 or take the 2025 pick which come with a flow chart of conditions… Regardless of the situation the move is to differ to 2025 and hope. I can’t see any senario in which we make the pick in 2024…
I do, if the pick is around 20-22 because the Florida pick next year could be worse. So if Florida is a playoff team this year, I might do that deal, if it were available.

Probablility is it won't be available because Calgary is likely not even making the playoffs, though.
 

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There's no way Edmonton could afford that. That's like $7.35m in cap & they have only $250,000 in space. We could only retain on one. It's not enough even if we take back Foegele.

They are going to have to do something even if it's drastic, they just can't afford to doom another year.
 

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That's a lot of caproom Oilers be taking on. They up against cap. How you project they do it?

Big picture is McDavid needs to be happy and so do the fans
They just can't let another year slide. They need a goalie, maybe they don't add the D. You can even add in another team that gets paid to retain on Allen on top of the Habs , so his actual cost really drops. And yeah, they just might need to give away a decent player to make it work, but they just can't have goaltending at 88%.
 

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Big picture is McDavid needs to be happy and so do the fans
They just can't let another year slide. They need a goalie, maybe they don't add the D. You can even add in another team that gets paid to retain on Allen on top of the Habs , so his actual cost really drops. And yeah, they just might need to give away a decent player to make it work, but they just can't have goaltending at 88%.
I don't know for sure but there must be a better goalie available out there than Jake Allen. It would be a major let down if Edmonton's last ditch plan to save their season hinges on Jake Allen.
 

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I don't know for sure but there must be a better goalie available out there than Jake Allen. It would be a major let down if Edmonton's last ditch plan to save their season hinges on Jake Allen.
Lol. I agree. In my original post on this I said if I were the Oil I would pay up to get a quality goalie and not settle for Allen, but if they wanted to go cheap, then okay a trade is possible.
 

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I don't know for sure but there must be a better goalie available out there than Jake Allen. It would be a major let down if Edmonton's last ditch plan to save their season hinges on Jake Allen.

That's what I also think, they need to aim for a big goalie name who's possibly in a bad spot, IMO the only one who could have a real impact is Ilya Sorokin, but I don't see Lamoriello trading the base of his '90s team building plan' anytime soon.

Problem is, their drafting/development has been abysmal for a long time now, they don't really have interesting ammunitions, outside of picks.

Of course, if Holland wants to give something interesting for Allen, I'm all in...
 
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Lol. I agree. In my original post on this I said if I were the Oil I would pay up to get a quality goalie and not settle for Allen, but if they wanted to go cheap, then okay a trade is possible.
The "quality goalies" available have NTCs and Edmonton is on it. There was rumor that Binnington was getting traded when Campbell was waived for example. Gibson doesn't want to play in Canada despite how much the Leafs tried to acquire him too. And that's the only two "starters" with trading rumors over the last few years.

Teams the insiders have said were (or should be because sometimes they are selling speculation as inside info) interested in one of the 3 Habs goalies:
- LA
- Colorado
- Devils
- Flyers
- Edmonton
- I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting a team...

Outside of Edmonton, the others are more looking for a backup upgrade.
 

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The "quality goalies" available have NTCs and Edmonton is on it. There was rumor that Binnington was getting traded when Campbell was waived for example. Gibson doesn't want to play in Canada despite how much the Leafs tried to acquire him too. And that's the only two "starters" with trading rumors over the last few years.

Teams the insiders have said were (or should be because sometimes they are selling speculation as inside info) interested in one of the 3 Habs goalies:
- LA
- Colorado
- Devils
- Flyers
- Edmonton
- I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting a team...

Outside of Edmonton, the others are more looking for a backup upgrade.
Carolina
 
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Hypothetically speaking would anyone trade for Dubois? Kings aren't impressed with what they got and this is the only year of his deal without trade protection.
 

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Hypothetically speaking would anyone trade for Dubois? Kings aren't impressed with what they got and this is the only year of his deal without trade protection.
That was quick! Ouch. They gave up a lot for him then paid him a ton of money.
 

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Hypothetically speaking would anyone trade for Dubois? Kings aren't impressed with what they got and this is the only year of his deal without trade protection.
What are the odds that he’d have Montreal on his no-trade list?

There is no urgency. Let him enjoy LA and at some point he’ll get homesick again. Maybe, at that point, if he’s viable, we’ll get LAK to retain. :sarcasm:
 

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Hypothetically speaking would anyone trade for Dubois? Kings aren't impressed with what they got and this is the only year of his deal without trade protection.

My view hasn't really changed, nor has how I value him, so I'd be open to a trade. No way the Kings trade him this soon after the trade/contract though.
 
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That was quick! Ouch. They gave up a lot for him then paid him a ton of money.
To be honest they gave up two failed prospects and a decent roster player. Iafallo is good but LA wanted a scorer. Winnipeg limited their options by demanding roster players over draft capital and prospects.

Iafallo is outscoring Dubois while being better defensively. Kupari is already out of the picture and Vilardi has an injury and honestly paced for like ten points last year after an insane October/November. I don't think he's really a core guy on any team.

Kings have already discovered Dubois isn't good at C. I think the intention was for him to take over Kopitar's slot as he looks to retire in a few years. But at this point Kopitar may stay relevant longer than Dubois. It wouldn't shock me if the guy played til 42, he's been insanely consistent his entire career.

To make things worse, LA have had a very easy schedule thus far. They've lost essentially every game they've played against playoff teams except the Leafs. Largely they've been crapping on teams like San Jose and Philly to boost their numbers. Byfield for example has 2 points in 8 games vs expected playoff teams and 9 in 7 against teams not expected to make the playoffs.

Dubois did also have a very rough beginning in Winnipeg however, he does seem to be slow to adjust. I don't think la would dump him that fast but I feel like LA would like futures more than Winnipeg. They're trying to build a secondary core of young guys to replace their aging guys since most of their prospects busted. They're finishing too high to do that though and Faber seems to be the best one, but they traded him for fiala.
 

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To be honest they gave up two failed prospects and a decent roster player. Iafallo is good but LA wanted a scorer. Winnipeg limited their options by demanding roster players over draft capital and prospects.

Iafallo is outscoring Dubois while being better defensively. Kupari is already out of the picture and Vilardi has an injury and honestly paced for like ten points last year after an insane October/November. I don't think he's really a core guy on any team.

Kings have already discovered Dubois isn't good at C. I think the intention was for him to take over Kopitar's slot as he looks to retire in a few years. But at this point Kopitar may stay relevant longer than Dubois. It wouldn't shock me if the guy played til 42, he's been insanely consistent his entire career.

To make things worse, LA have had a very easy schedule thus far. They've lost essentially every game they've played against playoff teams except the Leafs. Largely they've been crapping on teams like San Jose and Philly to boost their numbers. Byfield for example has 2 points in 8 games vs expected playoff teams and 9 in 7 against teams not expected to make the playoffs.

Dubois did also have a very rough beginning in Winnipeg however, he does seem to be slow to adjust. I don't think la would dump him that fast but I feel like LA would like futures more than Winnipeg. They're trying to build a secondary core of young guys to replace their aging guys since most of their prospects busted. They're finishing too high to do that though and Faber seems to be the best one, but they traded him for fiala.
PLD is overrated. big size lacks heart I guess
 
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I think of the two picks received for Monahan that might be used to get a much younger uninjured player just like him. Thank you Mr. Treliviling .

I think of the two picks received for Monahan that might be used to get a much younger uninjured player just like him. Thank you Mr. Treliving.
Maybe we could trade Moneyhands to the Leafs.
 

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Hypothetically speaking would anyone trade for Dubois? Kings aren't impressed with what they got and this is the only year of his deal without trade protection.
I would but not with his cap and not paying what Kings did for him.

If LA eat enough to bring him below Suzuki’s cap and took a package like what was being offered on the boards with a mix of veteran like Dvo or Monahan and some B tier prospects and picks, sure. LA wouldn’t make that trade though and some other team would likely offer more anyways, so it’s moot.

Glad Hughes didn’t jump into the insanity and pay what LA did. Let them figure it out now.
 
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To be honest they gave up two failed prospects and a decent roster player. Iafallo is good but LA wanted a scorer. Winnipeg limited their options by demanding roster players over draft capital and prospects.

Iafallo is outscoring Dubois while being better defensively. Kupari is already out of the picture and Vilardi has an injury and honestly paced for like ten points last year after an insane October/November. I don't think he's really a core guy on any team.

Kings have already discovered Dubois isn't good at C. I think the intention was for him to take over Kopitar's slot as he looks to retire in a few years. But at this point Kopitar may stay relevant longer than Dubois. It wouldn't shock me if the guy played til 42, he's been insanely consistent his entire career.

To make things worse, LA have had a very easy schedule thus far. They've lost essentially every game they've played against playoff teams except the Leafs. Largely they've been crapping on teams like San Jose and Philly to boost their numbers. Byfield for example has 2 points in 8 games vs expected playoff teams and 9 in 7 against teams not expected to make the playoffs.

Dubois did also have a very rough beginning in Winnipeg however, he does seem to be slow to adjust. I don't think la would dump him that fast but I feel like LA would like futures more than Winnipeg. They're trying to build a secondary core of young guys to replace their aging guys since most of their prospects busted. They're finishing too high to do that though and Faber seems to be the best one, but they traded him for fiala.
Most experts said Jets got good haul for Dubois
 
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Rumor time from 32 Thoughts: apparently Lou asked at a GM meeting "what was out there". Speculation are that he's looking to trade for a scorer and/or a D. And Wahlstrom might be available as a return...
 
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Rumor time from 32 Thoughts: apparently Lou asked at a GM meeting "what was out there". Speculation are that he's looking to trade for a scorer and/or a D. And Wahlstrom might be available as a return...
I drool at the thought of Wahlstrom for some reason. Just so damn talented even though he hasn’t done much with the Isles.

I’d swap him for Harris.
 
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