HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Egresch]

I can't see the Leafs trading Nylander at the TDL as they will still dream of a cup.

He is likely to hit UFA and I may be in the minority here, but I would take a run at him. Around 10 million.

Sounds like an amazing plan to ruin a well started rebuild.

There is no way Nylander would help us become real contender. Our top prospects like Reinbacher, Hutson, Slaf, Roy, Fowler, Beck, even Barron, Xhekaj, Struble... they all need 2-3 more years to be impact players. By that time, Nylander would start declining.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Eliotte be like *the Oilers believe they can fix their goaltending situation internally*

 

[ReHabs]

Sounds like an amazing plan to ruin a well started rebuild.

Care to elaborate?

Do we have anyone in our organization who can score 40pts in 28 gp?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Care to elaborate?

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Do we have anyone in our organization who can score 40pts in 28 gp?

Would sign him to 10/10.5 easily.

Just to see that skill. He's above Suzuki/Cole and would be the most talented since Kovalev.

Not sure how many, if any could pass Kovalev for pure talent.


Pretty sure the roster freeze is soon, like today at 3 ? Noon ?

 

[ReHabs]

Would sign him to 10/10.5 easily.

Just to see that skill. He's above Suzuki/Cole and would be the most talented since Kovalev.

Not sure how many, if any could pass Kovalev for pure talent.


Pretty sure the roster freeze is soon, like today at 3 ? Noon ?

Damn so soon, I hope Hughes can complete the trade for Nylander in the next few hours.

 

[Egresch]

Care to elaborate?

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Do we have anyone in our organization who can score 40pts in 28 gp?

Just edited the post moment later.

There is no way Nylander would help us become real contender. Our top prospects like Reinbacher, Hutson, Slaf, Roy, Fowler, Beck, even Barron, Xhekaj, Struble... they all need 2-3 more years to be impact players. By that time, Nylander would start declining.

Nylander would not score 40/28 in our organization. We do not have that level of talent yet. There is no need to rush and ruin the rebuild. At least, wait one more year for Draisaitl/Rantanen

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Damn so soon, I hope Hughes can complete the trade for Nylander in the next few hours.

Nah, make them sweat so they'll take Gallagher and a 3rd

 

[salbutera]

It is crazy how bad Yzerplan works. They are just 2 point above Habs now and their rebuild is in worse shape as well. Only Seider and Raymond are performing with NHL team, their mid 6 prospects like Berggren do not have opportunities because they signed bunch of UFAs. Their key duo DeBrincat-Larkin is almost 4 years older than Nick/Cole and more expensive.

But but but he was a genius GM in TBay….

As I posted when he was named Det GM - let’s see how he does without benefit of not inheriting two elite talents + not having geographical market advantage - no state tax & weather

 

[Benstheman]

I'd definately take a good run at Nylander this summer. If it does not work, i would take a run at next years top UFAs. Ditto the year after.

We are seeing Habs are better than last year and will probably finish closer to a playoffs spot than a top 8 draft pick. And that is with Dach out for the season, Caufield with an off year and Suzuki with a standard/not so great year.

IMO, you add Dach and Nylander/other top UFA and this team is in the playoffs.

I aslo think we have alot of future pieces to explore the trade route to go get whathever HuGo think the team needs.

 

[waitin425]

Sounds like an amazing plan to ruin a well started rebuild.

There is no way Nylander would help us become real contender. Our top prospects like Reinbacher, Hutson, Slaf, Roy, Fowler, Beck, even Barron, Xhekaj, Struble... they all need 2-3 more years to be impact players. By that time, Nylander would start declining.

Nylander doesn't strike me as someone who will start declining until his 34-35 year old season. He will be 28 this off-season. I would feel fairly comfortable taking a run at a 7 x 10 mil contract for him.

I have accused him as being soft as baby poo before, but he is surrounded by more of the same in Toronto. He have our size and grit with Slaf and Dach.

Nylander would instantly be our most dangerous offensive threat. Caufield included.

You talk about a rebuild. A rebuild can include a combination of veteran UFA's (if acquired at the right time) and young prospects. This is exactly why I likely wouldn't trade for Nylander but make a play in the off-season to acquire him merely for cap-space.

At the start of the 2026/27 season we will be fully developed and Nylander will by 30. I don't see him dropping off that soon.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

100% make a play for Nylander if he hits UFA, no brainer. Turns 28 in May. I think he even has more to give going forward and he has been the most consistent forward on the Leafs in the past playoffs appearances

 

[Saundies]

Nylander reminds me a lot of the situation of Panarin when he was in Chicago. Really good now, but he wasn't "the man" and was part of a really talented group. I think signing him and using him to his full potential would allow him to take even another step and hit another gear.

If we don't get him (which I don't expect to... it is the Habs after all) I would expect him to break out again wherever he goes.

 

[ReHabs]

Just edited the post moment later.

Nylander would not score 40/28 in our organization. We do not have that level of talent yet. There is no need to rush and ruin the rebuild. At least, wait one more year for Draisaitl/Rantanen

I tend to agree with your argument about roster build trajectory. But there are so many gaps and holes and uncertainties with the roster I don't know what to think. Dach's injury kinda really sucks in an intersectional kind of way.

 

[DiglettDangles]

There's no doubt Nylander is a good player, a great one even.
Basically ppg or better in the last 3 years.
Best playoff performer on that notoriously low event team.
I also liked his compete in this contract year (yellow flag?) and in most recent playoff games I've watched.

I believe he could be ppg in Montreal too, within 2 years after some adaptation.
But is that the guy we want to budget 10M for?
Can he be a team's #1 star?

What we are seeing right now is probably peak/prime Nylander.
I can't properly extrapolate how steep his decline will be, but it's undoubtedly starting soon.
At least he's not particularly injury prone.

I guess I have second thoughts about bringing a loser Leaf in the Montreal Canadiens cUlTuRe.
Today, if you ask me, I'm thinking the value odds around a 7x10M Nylander contract (anywhere) is probably 20% screw up, 50% disappointment, 30% success.

 

[JRichard]

It is crazy how bad Yzerplan works. They are just 2 point above Habs now and their rebuild is in worse shape as well. Only Seider and Raymond are performing with NHL team, their mid 6 prospects like Berggren do not have opportunities because they signed bunch of UFAs. Their key duo DeBrincat-Larkin is almost 4 years older than Nick/Cole and more expensive.

Detroit duo is 70+ pts in the bank. Other 2 never got to 70. AdB is 20 months older than NS.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

100% make a play for Nylander if he hits UFA, no brainer. Turns 28 in May. I think he even has more to give going forward and he has been the most consistent forward on the Leafs in the past playoffs appearances

Nylander plays a soft game, so he's more likely to last. 7 year deal at 35 he's likely still contributing player.

 

[Jaynki]

Would you guys trade our 1st in 2024 for Trevor Zegras? In a similar fashion that NYI did for Horvat or Ottawa did for Chychrun.

We are two points away from a playoff spot, i doubt we will enter the TDL with a selling mentality nor do i think we will enter it with a pure buyer mentality.

Zegras would help push for the playoff and he would be here long term. If we are still in a similar spot (2-4 points away from the wild card) in late February, i think it is a type of move we should envision.

 

[salbutera]

Would you guys trade our 1st in 2024 for Trevor Zegras? In a similar fashion that NYI did for Horvat or Ottawa did for Chychrun.

We are two points away from a playoff spot, i doubt we will enter the TDL with a selling mentality nor do i think we will enter it with a pure buyer mentality.

Zegras would help push for the playoff and he would be here long term. If we are still in a similar spot (2-4 points away from the wild card) in late February, i think it is a type of move we should envision.

I would as long as pick is top-10 protected

 

[Miller Time]

Would you guys trade our 1st in 2024 for Trevor Zegras? In a similar fashion that NYI did for Horvat or Ottawa did for Chychrun.

We are two points away from a playoff spot, i doubt we will enter the TDL with a selling mentality nor do i think we will enter it with a pure buyer mentality.

Zegras would help push for the playoff and he would be here long term. If we are still in a similar spot (2-4 points away from the wild card) in late February, i think it is a type of move we should envision.

Top 8-10 protected, yes. Straight up, no.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Would you guys trade our 1st in 2024 for Trevor Zegras? In a similar fashion that NYI did for Horvat or Ottawa did for Chychrun.

We are two points away from a playoff spot, i doubt we will enter the TDL with a selling mentality nor do i think we will enter it with a pure buyer mentality.

Zegras would help push for the playoff and he would be here long term. If we are still in a similar spot (2-4 points away from the wild card) in late February, i think it is a type of move we should envision.

Wait and see. Maybe in the off season.

The problem with Zegras is he f***ing sucks defensively like Caufield. He's soft like butter left outside in August.

He's a nice piece and would be neat to acquire, but the problem lies in the above. Habs would really need to find a top 6 player with size and skill and likely over pay for more like that on the bottom 6.

If Nylander goes to free agency I'd wait and see what happens there.

Use the 2024 1st to get a forward. Use Calgary's 2025 1st for Zegras, or a condition on whichever is worse between that and the Habs. If the Habs can't sign Nylander, pull the trigger.

If they can, abandon that and people won't agree, but use that 1st and some to go after Crouse potentially.

 

[JRichard]

Would you guys trade our 1st in 2024 for Trevor Zegras? In a similar fashion that NYI did for Horvat or Ottawa did for Chychrun.

We are two points away from a playoff spot, i doubt we will enter the TDL with a selling mentality nor do i think we will enter it with a pure buyer mentality.

Zegras would help push for the playoff and he would be here long term. If we are still in a similar spot (2-4 points away from the wild card) in late February, i think it is a type of move we should envision.

Would you trade Caufield for a first?
Cause TZ scored 60+ twice and his 2 months younger. CC got 40.
TZ even leads in the « pace » calculations 60 to 56.

Would you?
Of course not.

 

[calder candidate]

We need to take a run at Nylander not only would he instantly add high end skill to the top 6 which we are missing but even if we don’t land him we need to make sure no other team getting a discount.
Also considering the goalie Situation why are we sign the other options like Halak or Dell to big money AHL deal to limit other team option and fix our issue.

 

[Egresch]

I tend to agree with your argument about roster build trajectory. But there are so many gaps and holes and uncertainties with the roster I don't know what to think. Dach's injury kinda really sucks in an intersectional kind of way.

But you need to identify those gaps. In one year, we will have much better clue about our defense. Hutson should be with Habs and we will see if he can translate his game to NHL and be our PP QB. Reinbacher, Engstrom will come over from Europe. Barron, Xhekaj, Struble, Guhle will get more responsibilities on the expense of Savard & Matheson.
Roy will be in NHL top 6 role hopefully and he might be the answer to our lack of elite offensive talent, Slaf will be producing regularly , Dach & Newhook might be healthy and playing their top 6 role, Ylonen & Heineman on our 3rd line, Mešár & Beck starting their pro careers. Monty will have two years of No. 1 role experience, so you will have way better understanding of your true gaps.
It will probably be elite offensive talent, so you go hard and fight for Rantanen/Draisaitl or maybe Kyle Connor.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Sounds like an amazing plan to ruin a well started rebuild.

There is no way Nylander would help us become real contender. Our top prospects like Reinbacher, Hutson, Slaf, Roy, Fowler, Beck, even Barron, Xhekaj, Struble... they all need 2-3 more years to be impact players. By that time, Nylander would start declining.

Yes, those guys need a few years to help the Habs become a more competitive team.

But to me, Nylander doesn't ruin any rebuild. In fact, it propels the Habs to be competitive sooner. That's a gamebreaker. Imagine a Top-6 of Nylander, Caufield, Suzuki, Slaf, Dach & Newhook.

Not to mention while Matthews and Marner tend to disappear in the playoffs, Nylander doesn't. He's arguably their best players in the post-season.

I don't think Habs would end up with Nylander. But instead of only drafting a scorer and waiting 3-4 years before they get here, you can address that weakness much sooner.

 

[JRichard]

Wait and see. Maybe in the off season.

The problem with Zegras is he f***ing sucks defensively like Caufield. He's soft like butter left outside in August.

He's a nice piece and would be neat to acquire, but the problem lies in the above. Habs would really need to find a top 6 player with size and skill and likely over pay for more like that on the bottom 6.

If Nylander goes to free agency I'd wait and see what happens there.

Use the 2024 1st to get a forward. Use Calgary's 2025 1st for Zegras, or a condition on whichever is worse between that and the Habs. If the Habs can't sign Nylander, pull the trigger.

If they can, abandon that and people won't agree, but use that 1st and some to go after Crouse potentially.

Takes 2 to tango. Not getting TZ for the worse 25 pick… just noticed he is 2 mil cheaper too.